Kashmir | News & Discussions.

[DESERT FIGHTER]

That gun, was Pakistani!

He asked India for help, India did - for a price! Nothings free!

Who captured Hyderabad and junagarh not to forget other small princely states tht wanted to stay seperate?

 

[Xeric]

From your signature, I see that you are an extremist.Unfortunately, just like the most of the rest of my country, I too wont listen to extremists.

Another 'black hawk' down!

BTW, the 'rest of your country' as i have seen it by working with them overseas is MUCH better than your likes.


They always (wrongly) argued my signature wouldnt work

P.S. i never knew yankees can also read Urdu???

 

[Xeric]

Sure...Texas can vote to secede from the United States. Today, no state within the US stays because of coercion. I've once again pointed out that land grabbing colonial times have completely different dynamics compared to agglomerations that exist today.

Hypocrisy, right?

 

[gubbi]

Indian commentators will stress about sovereignty and integrity of India. They will dismiss right of people. They will justify the crackdown on Kashmiris. They will conveniently bypass the issue of human rights. They will lambaste the UN and call it irrelevant and its resolutions dated. More or less mimicking the attitude of President Bush (forgetting that India has a long way to go before becoming a sole super power like USA). The discussion will be deliberately derailed and lead to non-serious and off topic issues and even outright trolling.

In any other thread or occasion, the Indians will start their sentence with their beloved democracy, the mantra of non-violence of Gandhi, criticising other countries specially China & Pakistan in particular for their human rights record etc. but there will be criminal silence or outright dismissal when the word Kashmir will be mentioned.

Pakistani contributors although being the citizens of a country where democracy hardly found its roots would highlight the plight of the Kashmiris. point out the brutalities of the Indian occupation forces. Question the justification of having over a million security personal if the uprising is really only foreign instigated as claimed by India.

Conclusion . Indians despite being the citizens of democracy will continue to ignore the Kashmri right of self determination. Which was very basis of the partition agreed upon Hindu & Muslim leadership with their former colonial masters.

Pakistanis will continue to remind them about the born right of freedom of a human which is the very essence of modern democracy. They will also keep shaking the Indian conscious for this forced & unjust occupation. Without an iota of knowledge of what Democracy really entails or what conscience or unjustness really signify!

There corrected it for you!

Big words, aint it?

 

[gubbi]

Hypocrisy, right?

Whats hypocrisy about what he said. It be truth.

Colonial times were different. But people in many developed countries are mature enough to see the advantages of being a part of a larger entity instead of trying immaturely to 'secede' out of a union. Advantages such as stability - both political & economic immediately come to mind. Not to mention standard of living, healthcare etc.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

That gun, was Pakistani!

He asked India for help, India did - for a price! Nothings free!

beg to disagree.. the Indians ensured that he made the "right" choice by signing the "friendly" Indian military was at hand to "help" the Raja in signing the accession.

 

[Xeric]

Whats hypocrisy about what he said. It be truth.

Colonial times were different. But people in many developed countries are mature enough to see the advantages of being a part of a larger entity instead of trying immaturely to 'secede' out of a union. Advantages such as stability - both political & economic immediately come to mind. Not to mention standard of living, healthcare etc.

i would consider you worthy of replying to when you would use your own brain instead of borrowing 'ideas' from a servitude lover!!

 

[gubbi]

beg to disagree.. the Indians ensured that he made the "right" choice by signing the "friendly" Indian military was at hand to "help" the Raja in signing the accession.

Wrong. You got the timeline wrong. Here's what happened in a nutshell.

Scouts rebel wanting to join Islamic Pakistan, Raja unable to suppress rebellion. Pakistan steps in to help the rebels - militarily - in the process invading the then independent state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Raja panics, turns to India for military assistance. India had much more important matters to handle than send military support for a state which was NOT a part of India.

Raja persisted, so India and Lord Mountbatten asked the Raja to accede to India to give legitimacy for Indian military support.

Rebels and Pakistani regulars had reached Srinagar airport. raja signed the Instrument of accession, and India sent in troops. Militants and Pakistani regulars kicked out of Srinagar to present day LOC!

World steps in to stop conflict!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Whats hypocrisy about what he said. It be truth.

Colonial times were different. But people in many developed countries are mature enough to see the advantages of being a part of a larger entity instead of trying immaturely to 'secede' out of a union. Advantages such as stability - both political & economic immediately come to mind. Not to mention standard of living, healthcare etc.

wow..
dont say that to a Flemish in Belgium or to a Scot in UK
they will rip your head off. Both the Flemish population and Scotland want independence from their "bigger" cousins. (for more details read the on going debates in Scottish parliament and the recent voting trends in Belgium)

its called the freedom of choice my dear.
if you ever happen to travel by car or plane through Luxembourg, your sneeze might outlast the total journey. i.e. its such a small state but their pride is no way smaller than Any Maha Bahrarat yelling Hindu.

the point is.. its not about the geographical size or location. its about the "freedom of choice" remember that word and write it on the wall
any self aware nation which is proud of it will keep mentioning it.
Whether you like it or not.

 

[gubbi]

i would consider you worthy of replying to when you would use your own brain instead of borrowing 'ideas' from a servitude lover!!

Lol. You just made a retarded post. Dont you understand the difference between different eras? I just agreed with his post. Why dont you use your brain for once, TT?

 

[foxbat]

wow..
dont say that to a Flemish in Belgium or to a Scot in UK
they will rip your head off. Both the Flemish population and Scotland want independence from their "bigger" cousins. (for more details read the on going debates in Scottish parliament and the recent voting trends in Belgium)

its called the freedom of choice my dear.
if you ever happen to travel by car or plane through Luxembourg, your sneeze might outlast the total journey. i.e. its such a small state but their pride is no way smaller than Any Maha Bahrarat yelling Hindu.

the point is.. its not about the geographical size or location. its about the "freedom of choice" remember that word and write it on the wall
any self aware nation which is proud of it will keep mentioning it.
Whether you like it or not.

Going out on a limb here.. Since we have broached the topic of Luxemburg, Belgium and Scotland.. none of which is disputed, what are your views on Balochistan? Do they deserve the same consideration..??

 

[gubbi]

the point is.. its not about the geographical size or location. its about the "freedom of choice" remember that word and write it on the wall
any self aware nation which is proud of it will keep mentioning it.
Whether you like it or not.

I never said anything about 'freedom of choice'. I was talking about maturity of a population. Pride does not make a people mature. Scots demand 'freedom', and yet realize that tagging along with England or as part of UK is their best bet.

No doubt there are numerous small states every where and they have always remained a footnote in history for a short period of time. Times are different now that colonization is looked down upon. However such states will always remain footnotes in history.

 

[Xeric]

Lol. You just made a retarded post. Dont you understand the difference between different eras? I just agreed with his post. Why dont you use your brain for once, TT?

Yeah right!

Grapes...sour...something like that...

 

[gubbi]

Yeah right!

Grapes...sour...something like that...

Dude, for a TT, instead of posting stupid "smart aleck" comments, for a mature discussion's sake why dont you refute the pov? I may be a novice when it comes to such matters, so educate me as to why it may be wrong, for all that TT tag of yours stands for!

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Without an iota of knowledge of what Democracy really entails or what conscience or unjustness really signify!
There corrected it for you!

Big words, aint it?

thanks your Impressiveness,

we Pakistanis never claimed to be proud of our democratic past and present. But looking at how the biggest hypocrisy ( read democracy) managed to do to the people like Sikhs, Naxils, Christians, Muslims, Dalits.. the only word that springs to mind is “Ironic”

your self pompous ego has gone past the busting point but that gas of false sense of superiority is continuously being inhaled.

As your Holiness might note that we Pakistanis might not know much about democracy as your royal highness does but one thing is for sure. We will keep supporting the rights of Kashmiris the same right that our forefathers exercised and gave us an independent state.

The very title of the post is vindicating Pakistani stance and the Kashmiri struggle. Its against a forced military occupation of India by Kasmiris in the form of political & armed struggle.

Thanks for going through the trouble of reading my posts. I hope my words are not that disturbing to your royal backside much.