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Ali Ashraf Khan

Tuesday, March 05, 2013 - There is no doubt that the Kashmir conflict between India and Pakistan is not just a conflict of unfinished partition plan approved by the King and the British parliament, but history shows it was all done by design and thus a legacy of British colonial rule; today it has a central place in the troubled relationship of the two neighbors India and Pakistan and is a root cause for much of the militancy and extremism present in both countries. That is why a solution of the conflict is needed in the interest of people of both the countries and the Kashmiri people. Declaring it a ‘lost cause’ as Mr. Saeed Qureshi in his column from Dallas has tried to do is neither true nor a solution to the problem itself.

Even if India and Pakistan would say ‘forget about it’ Kashmiri’s would not, and many Indian and Pakistani people would not either. Every student of history knows the fact that territory comprising Gilgit, Baltistan and Kargil, Leh now with Laddakh was having more then thousand year old history of independent rule, after which Laddakh fell to Gulab Singh’s commander Zorawer Singh then in 1840. The man also invaded Baltistan and captured the Raja of Skardu because he had sided with the Ladakhi people but a year later in 1841 when General Zorawer Singh attacked Tibet he perished with his troops because of the extremely cold winter to unfold new chapter under the scheme of things. Five years later the territory came under the rule of the Dogra dynasty ruling mainly Jammu & Sirinagar and part of Dogra clan territory in Himachal Pardesh as a result of the Treaty of Lahore of 9th March 1846 guaranteed by the Lahore State it was sold to British for Rs. Ten Million; later another Treaty of Amritsar was signed to hand over all this territory to a rich dogra Gulab Singh on payment of Rs. 75 Lakhs.

In 1935 British felt threatened by China & Russia so Gilgit Agency including Chitral and Baltistan were taken on 60 year lease from the Dogra ruler, but under their hidden design to sabotage and steal the fruits of partition from Muslims population in India this lease agreement was suddenly revoked on 1st August 1947 and Brigadier Ghansara Singh was made Governor of Gilgit agency with Major Brown as commandant of Gilgit Scouts to pave the way for continuation of Dogra rule by the British. The British forgot that such arrangements would not stop will of the people to decide their future as agreed in the partition plan and that it would not deter the people to win freedom themselves. As a consequence ‘freedom fighters’ spirit and sacrifice created major questions connected to Kashmir like the question of right or wrong of the Two-Nation-Theory and partition itself as well as water problems arising from manipulated partition and other acts done by British viceroy in Indian favour.

Mr. Qureshi now settled in US seems to think that Kashmir is a lost cause because the whole of the Jammu and Kashmir state ruled by Maharaja Singh should have come to Pakistan. Well, there are many questions involved into it of legal, of military and of political and ethical nature. Did the Maharaja rule the part that today has been renamed ‘Gilgit–Baltistan’ at the time of partition at all and is this part thus part of Kashmir or not? Was the Maharaja legally entitled to accede to India on 26th October 1947? One wonders then why Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru begged from UN to pass 5 resolutions for withdrawal of troops by both India & Pakistan in 1948-9, why UNMOG was accepted, US Admiral Chester Nimitz was also appointed on his request as plebiscite administrator in 1949. Brave Balti & Gilgiti liberators had captured more then 63000 square miles territory apart from Gilgit & Baltistan in Kargil & Leh that remained under their control till May 1949.

If Maharaja’s accession was lawful then the accession of the ruler of Junagadh and the decision of the Nizam of Hyderabad to accede to Pakistan should also have been valid and upheld by India which was not the case. If the ruler had no right and referendum had to be taken as it was done in Junagarh then that should be valid for Kashmir also. And after all, even if the ruler was entitled to decide, would his decision be legally admissible given the duress under which he was acting? Nothing to talk about the case that he never signed the document before the landing of the Indian troops in Srinagar, which has been argued very convincingly by the British scholar Alaister Lamb in his book written based on extensive study of the Indian archives. In that case the landing of Indian troops in Srinagar was a naked Indian aggression. While these questions do nothing to help the situation today, they still have to be answered so as to finally resolve the conflict.

Part of the blame for the bleeding of Kashmir wound go to the UNSC that was involved into the conflict resolution by India and that produced nothing but a couple of toothless resolutions that India refused to accept and implement later. The UNSC and the international community have allowed the conflict to linger on like they have done in the case of Palestine and are even if indirectly responsible for the violence and militancy that the unresolved conflicts have created over decades. Now the same international community is creating new such herds of conflict by pushing and aiding an armed uprising against Syria’s elected government. The history of Libya and Egypt are more examples of the same. That is why any hope for mediation by the UN, the EU or the International court of justice is going to be a waste of time and money and will not bring any solution because UNO has become a second fiddler to USA. It is also quite clear that the conflict can not be solved today by military means. This statement includes Pakistan as much as India because ultimately the will of the Kashmiri people will prevail. And this is so because the conflict which is much more than a conflict about territory would not be solved by war and conquest. It is high time that all of us recognize this fact.

Where does this leave us with regard to Kashmir? Is everything lost? It is Not but the solutions that are possible today may not be those that are in the minds of the politicians and people like Mr. Qureshi. We will have to revise our expectations, attitude and our stand according to the ground realties. And ground realty tells us that today there is a strong third party, the Kashmiri people whose aspirations can not be neglected these days as it would have been possible ( but equally unethical) in the past. Kashmiris in their frustration with 65 years of trampling upon their interests seem to have decided that neither India nor Pakistan are good enough for them to secure their birth right of freedom. This is a stand that can no longer be ignored but has to be introduced into the equation. Kashmir is not lost but it has to be won by all parties concerned. God bless Pakistan.

Kashmir is not a lost cause
 
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In the last 60 yrs, Kashmiris have become disillusioned with the idea of joining Pakistan..in another 60 yrs, they will come to terms with the idea of Kashmir being a part of India.. not to worry.. India can wait another 100 yrs if needed.. we will break the backs of separatists...we have become very good at it..
 
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Indian jammu and Kashmir is comprise of 3 regions 1.kashmir valley 2.Jammu and 3. Ladakh region....problem lies in kashmir valley only and I am sure that with time problem will solved with development and opportunities!!
 
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Indian missed an opportunity, Indian could have ethenically cleansed Kashmiri Muslims to Gilgit-Baltistan like burmese did with Bangladeshi Muslims..


Entire problem could have been solved in 5 years...
 
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Indian missed an opportunity, Indian could have ethenically cleansed Kashmiri Muslims to Gilgit-Baltistan like burmese did with Bangladeshi Muslims..


Entire problem could have been solved in 5 years...

I feel the kashmiri muslims pain I only wish that muslim indians can see what you think of them as crops and you want to harvest them to use it in your VeG biryani and Veg pulao and Veg kebabs
 
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I feel the kashmiri muslims pain I only wish that muslim indians can see what you think of them as crops and you want to harvest them to use it in your VeG biryani and Veg pulao and Veg kebabs


Do you feel the same pain for Ksahmiri Pundits?? Same pain for Jews and Persians? or same Pain for ll who forcibly converted?

or your pain emerge only for Muslims??


122 posts, you need more time on PDF to uinderstand my posts..
 
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india surely benefits from maintaining the status quo.
coz . with time the kashmiris will reqlise the benefits of staying with india.

they may not love india but they would be wise enough to understand the economic opportunities india has to offer them, which neighbouring countries or an independent kashmir cant.
 
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Do you feel the same pain for Ksahmiri Pundits?? Same pain for Jews and Persians? or same Pain for your forfather who forcibly converted?

or your pain emerge only for Muslims??


122 posts, you need more time on PDF to uinderstand my posts..

My pain Emerges only for Muslim Thank you very much and My Forefathers were not forcefully converted Or you would not have any Historic MANDIRS in India Now so forcefull conversion is LIke Eating VEG HALEEM why would you, Next The Jews well They got Jesus crucified, they are killing real bane-israel now they are using usury which is forbidden to them and are make world economy SH1t like DIXit, persians were also not forcefully converted they do have alot of Zorrastrian Historic sites in Persia, ITs your ARAB Friends that you love so much that even Destroyed old ISlamic HIstoric Sites in arabia
AND THE ONLY THING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND INDIAN IS to see VEG BIRYANI AND VEG KEBAB AND VEG HALEEM AND BOLLYWOOD and Indian MEDIA's inferiority COmplex where they Reject their culture and adopt others and Claim it to be them Like in Hindi muslims ruled over their spoke URDU cuz it was made to communicate with different muslim populace in the army its based on Farsi,turkish and arabi, now you learned it and Strated using it with sanskrupt and mixed it and called it Hindi now YOu see every hindu calls pakistani that their language is hindi based WTF is hindi(it did'nt even existed) next You going to Call muslim pakistani food yours, then your going to call Pakistan Yours which you already do keep in mind pakistan was their before india and when british was their it was know as subcontinet just the they call arab countries middle east, SO CrY me a RIVER kid But before you do that Enjoy your Borrowed culture and Eat VEG BiRyani
 
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Indian missed an opportunity, Indian could have ethenically cleansed Kashmiri Muslims to Gilgit-Baltistan like burmese did with Bangladeshi Muslims..


Entire problem could have been solved in 5 years...

You are confusing India with some other country in our neighborhood, we do not engage in ethnic cleansing however logical it may sound, we go by trying to win them over. Though the initial residents of India - the tribals would have a grouse against the Ganges inhabitants but that was thousands of years ago, but India hasn't rectified that mistake yet resulting in the Naxal movement.
 
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Is Kashmir the problem Pakistan has to focus on right now ?

I mean seriously ?
 
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My pain Emerges only for Muslim Thank you very much and My Forefathers were not forcefully converted Or you would not have any Historic MANDIRS in India Now so forcefull conversion is LIke Eating VEG HALEEM why would you, Next The Jews well They got Jesus crucified, they are killing real bane-israel now they are using usury which is forbidden to them and are make world economy SH1t like DIXit, persians were also not forcefully converted they do have alot of Zorrastrian Historic sites in Persia, ITs your ARAB Friends that you love so much that even Destroyed old ISlamic HIstoric Sites in arabia
AND THE ONLY THING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND INDIAN IS to see VEG BIRYANI AND VEG KEBAB AND VEG HALEEM AND BOLLYWOOD and Indian MEDIA's inferiority COmplex where they Reject their culture and adopt others and Claim it to be them Like in Hindi muslims ruled over their spoke URDU cuz it was made to communicate with different muslim populace in the army its based on Farsi,turkish and arabi, now you learned it and Strated using it with sanskrupt and mixed it and called it Hindi now YOu see every hindu calls pakistani that their language is hindi based WTF is hindi(it did'nt even existed) next You going to Call muslim pakistani food yours, then your going to call Pakistan Yours which you already do keep in mind pakistan was their before india and when british was their it was know as subcontinet just the they call arab countries middle east, SO CrY me a RIVER kid But before you do that Enjoy your Borrowed culture and Eat VEG BiRyani




Lies , ill-informed, propaganda. you need some time on international forums. Spend sometime here then we will discuss...

@Topic: K topic is bann topic, hope Mods will delete it soon,, A new member can't open Topic on K issue, hence this thread is breaking PDF rule...

Mods please close this thread,....

My pain Emerges only for Muslim Thank you very much and My Forefathers were not forcefully converted Or you would not have any Historic MANDIRS in India Now so forcefull conversion is LIke Eating VEG HALEEM why would you, Next The Jews well They got Jesus crucified, they are killing real bane-israel now they are using usury which is forbidden to them and are make world economy SH1t like DIXit, persians were also not forcefully converted they do have alot of Zorrastrian Historic sites in Persia, ITs your ARAB Friends that you love so much that even Destroyed old ISlamic HIstoric Sites in arabia
AND THE ONLY THING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND INDIAN IS to see VEG BIRYANI AND VEG KEBAB AND VEG HALEEM AND BOLLYWOOD and Indian MEDIA's inferiority COmplex where they Reject their culture and adopt others and Claim it to be them Like in Hindi muslims ruled over their spoke URDU cuz it was made to communicate with different muslim populace in the army its based on Farsi,turkish and arabi, now you learned it and Strated using it with sanskrupt and mixed it and called it Hindi now YOu see every hindu calls pakistani that their language is hindi based WTF is hindi(it did'nt even existed) next You going to Call muslim pakistani food yours, then your going to call Pakistan Yours which you already do keep in mind pakistan was their before india and when british was their it was know as subcontinet just the they call arab countries middle east, SO CrY me a RIVER kid But before you do that Enjoy your Borrowed culture and Eat VEG BiRyani




Lies , ill-informed, propaganda. you need some time on international forums. Spend sometime here then we will discuss...

@Topic: K topic is bann topic, hope Mods will delete it soon,, A new member can't open Topic on K issue, hence this thread is breaking PDF rule...

Mods please close this thread,....

My pain Emerges only for Muslim Thank you very much and My Forefathers were not forcefully converted Or you would not have any Historic MANDIRS in India Now so forcefull conversion is LIke Eating VEG HALEEM why would you, Next The Jews well They got Jesus crucified, they are killing real bane-israel now they are using usury which is forbidden to them and are make world economy SH1t like DIXit, persians were also not forcefully converted they do have alot of Zorrastrian Historic sites in Persia, ITs your ARAB Friends that you love so much that even Destroyed old ISlamic HIstoric Sites in arabia
AND THE ONLY THING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND INDIAN IS to see VEG BIRYANI AND VEG KEBAB AND VEG HALEEM AND BOLLYWOOD and Indian MEDIA's inferiority COmplex where they Reject their culture and adopt others and Claim it to be them Like in Hindi muslims ruled over their spoke URDU cuz it was made to communicate with different muslim populace in the army its based on Farsi,turkish and arabi, now you learned it and Strated using it with sanskrupt and mixed it and called it Hindi now YOu see every hindu calls pakistani that their language is hindi based WTF is hindi(it did'nt even existed) next You going to Call muslim pakistani food yours, then your going to call Pakistan Yours which you already do keep in mind pakistan was their before india and when british was their it was know as subcontinet just the they call arab countries middle east, SO CrY me a RIVER kid But before you do that Enjoy your Borrowed culture and Eat VEG BiRyani




Lies , ill-informed, propaganda. you need some time on international forums. Spend sometime here then we will discuss...

@Topic: K topic is bann topic, hope Mods will delete it soon,, A new member can't open Topic on K issue, hence this thread is breaking PDF rule...

Mods please close this thread,....
 
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My pain Emerges only for Muslim Thank you very much and My Forefathers were not forcefully converted Or you would not have any Historic MANDIRS in India Now so forcefull conversion is LIke Eating VEG HALEEM why would you, Next The Jews well They got Jesus crucified, they are killing real bane-israel now they are using usury which is forbidden to them and are make world economy SH1t like DIXit, persians were also not forcefully converted they do have alot of Zorrastrian Historic sites in Persia, ITs your ARAB Friends that you love so much that even Destroyed old ISlamic HIstoric Sites in arabia
AND THE ONLY THING I NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND INDIAN IS to see VEG BIRYANI AND VEG KEBAB AND VEG HALEEM AND BOLLYWOOD and Indian MEDIA's inferiority COmplex where they Reject their culture and adopt others and Claim it to be them Like in Hindi muslims ruled over their spoke URDU cuz it was made to communicate with different muslim populace in the army its based on Farsi,turkish and arabi, now you learned it and Strated using it with sanskrupt and mixed it and called it Hindi now YOu see every hindu calls pakistani that their language is hindi based WTF is hindi(it did'nt even existed) next You going to Call muslim pakistani food yours, then your going to call Pakistan Yours which you already do keep in mind pakistan was their before india and when british was their it was know as subcontinet just the they call arab countries middle east, SO CrY me a RIVER kid But before you do that Enjoy your Borrowed culture and Eat VEG BiRyani

That was a load of bull cr@p and even a dimwit from anywhere would not accept any of what you said there. This really shows the indoctrination and the false history or facts that is fed to you guys, and you seem to live in the US and still go by Islamic propaganda peices - kind of pathetic that a change in surrounding and environment hasn't made you realise or differentiate between reality and lies and bull Sh!t that you posted.
 
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You are confusing India with some other country in our neighborhood, we do not engage in ethnic cleansing however logical it may sound, we go by trying to win them over. Though the initial residents of India - the tribals would have a grouse against the Ganges inhabitants but that was thousands of years ago, but India hasn't rectified that mistake yet resulting in the Naxal movement.



I just proposed a solution, Moreover every person has choice to live where they want to. So why not Pakistan loving (those chant the mantra "K banega Pakistan") guys should live in Pakistan????

Why should Indian have all the fun???
 
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Is Kashmir the problem Pakistan has to focus on right now ?

I mean seriously ?

yes they do just like all the arabs and Muslim Countries should focus on palestine and Kashmir then You wont have Problems IN non muslim countries and you can Enjoy what ever becomes of muslim Countries
It is a Good tactics to cause disturbance in a neibourhood where you have border dispute just like how israel is trying to Spread Syria war in Lebanon to counter hezbollah and trying to involve turkey and iraq and Iran into the conflict so the world wont give a SH!T about the real issue palestina, But when you use the same tactics against a nuclear armed state to cause a civil war where all the ranking official have their families living abroad You in turn are digging a Grave for your self and thats the biggest mistake when in terms of looking at strategies and countries capabilites, because the thing worse then a war is Civil war and If you that happens in a nuclear State where they know who is supporting the factions it gives them green light to destroy the others because country is already in term oil and You cannot legitimize a retaliation Of same capability because you will be killing innocent people who are not responsible for the nuclear strike but the government is which is also Fighting those same innocent people like in SYRIAn troops fighting the Citizens
 
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That was a load of bull cr@p and even a dimwit from anywhere would not accept any of what you said there. This really shows the indoctrination and the false history or facts that is fed to you guys, and you seem to live in the US and still go by Islamic propaganda peices - kind of pathetic that a change in surrounding and environment hasn't made you realise or differentiate between reality and lies and bull Sh!t that you posted.

Umm AlL ThE Colonization was done by East India company france had East india Company British had east india Company spain had East india Company when the brits found america they called to local populace Indians SO From their the word indian is known and every nation that had navy strated a company Called East india company and started exploration, and Trust me it Present day india pakistan etc is know as Baresagir(subcontinet) and NOt INdia at that time because Muslim came and took over Bare-sagher So what every YOU Indians think about my education YOu can Suck it because i got mine here in NY and not in Pakistan,
 
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