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Karachi: Zulfiqar Mirza's statement triggers another round of violence

Totally agreed. We when call someone terrorist / responsible for karachi riots. Why dont we take any action? why just political mileage statements?

I am of strong opinion, deploy ARMY / RANGERs with full powers, shoot at sight orders. Some innocents might get killed due to that, but that would not be a loss deal, as we are already losing many people on account of target killings.

I agree, to restore any sense of safety and secureness in Karachi, we need either the army or the rangers, well armed to indeed shoot at sight and demonstrate that things are not as lost as they seem.

You can't progress if you're not feeling safe at all.
It's crazy, people can't even go outside and buy groceries or bring their children to school just because some moron made a few statements and people went ballistic on the streets.

That is a sign of disrespect and disorder in our society and must be dealt with swiftly and with brute power.

It's situations like these that make me wonder who the hell is calling the shots in Pakistan nowadays?
 
Sad thing is I think PPP will win the upcoming elections. After Zulfiqar Mirza's racist statement Sindhis now consider him a god. They're now chanting Zulfiqar Mirza Zindabad, Muhajir qom Murdabad and stuff.
 
Breaking Karachi's Cycle of Violence​

By Bilal Baloch


The level of killing, burning, battering, and smashing endured by Karachi over the past four days has not been seen in the commercial capital for many years. Many will be quick to brand this political conflict as "ethnic" violence. But such a simplistic, deterministic evaluation has grave consequences, the apogee of which is seen within poor government responses both past, and present, to violent outbreaks in the teeming city.

As things stand, the government reaction to the ongoing violence has been typically slow in coming. The Provincial Information Minister, Sharjeel Memon, declared today that a "shoot at sight" order -- for anyone involved in the violence -- had been prescribed to the security forces in the city. Elsewhere, the Frontier Constabulary (FC) -- a paramilitary force that draws personnel from, and largely operates in, the Khyber-Puktunkhwa province -- will now join the police and paramilitary Rangers in Karachi. Federal Interior Minister Rehman Malik stated that this move would enable the "miscreants" to be targeted, and law and order to be maintained. Yet filling the city with truckloads of security forces will do little to combat what is, at its core, a political quandary.

The dilemma is thus: How should the government respond effectively and objectively to the violence when it is the very political actors tasked with governing and solving Karachi's problems that are themselves protagonists of the quagmire? When the workers and supporters of the Muttahida Qaumi Movement (MQM) and Awami National Party (ANP) -- the former a member of the ruling coalition government up until very recently, and the latter an existing partner within it -- are slaughtering one another, who should the ruling partner, Pakistan Peoples Party (PPP), crack down on? They could move against the ANP, but this would effectively lead their government to collapse. Perhaps the government could use their iron fists against the MQM, but battering this powerful party, long the overlords of Karachi, traditionally results in political suicide. It appears that the consolidation of party politics supersedes the merciless killings of the populace, starkly, when the killings themselves are a political tool used by all sides.

This politicking lends itself most crudely in promoting the "us vs. them" paradigm, something distinguished South Asia historian Dr. Ayesha Jalal has noted is deeply entrenched in historically contingent Pakistani communities. Pakistani political parties conjure up this divisive narrative to discredit opponents in the political realm and today, the rhetoric has become essential to the survival of individual parties. This identity construction, and demonization of the "other," serves as the basis for Karachi's "ethnic" politics, divided between Muhajirs and Pashtuns. While the goals remain largely political, the tactics used incite and exacerbate ethnic tension. This framework leaves little room for cross party cooperation, but plenty of room for anger and dispute.

Poor government responses, both past and present, continue to fuel this exact tension, which drives the violence in Karachi. Many innocents are killed within the midst of such political battles, and when these civilians observe no viable attempt at protection of their safety, their faith in government is shattered. It is within this vacuum that the private militias of smaller parties brandishing the apparently attractive, "ethnic" or "sectarian" flag can succeed, fueling further sectarian hatred and pushing people into ethnic camps for their own protection. Indeed, though the 1992 "Operation Clean Up" worked on the true premise that MQM workers were intimidating locals in Karachi, collecting illicit taxes, and housing terror cells, the crackdown instead resulted in a an all-out push by the government and army, to cleanse the city of the MQM's base, the Muhajir community, in an effort that struck the guilty and innocent alike. And to what end? The MQM came to government a decade later, with a hardened resolve to firm up its hold on Karachi, proliferating propaganda of the negative "other" in government, and with its militia and irregular forces still fully intact. This ambition has also led to a survival narrative that aggravates any battles for space, or political rights, in the city, leading to quick explosions of violence at any slight or injury rather than attempts at dialogue or conflict resolution.

So what needs be done? First, the MQM must put an end to its "Karachi is ours" mantra. This thinking has led to a system of governance more akin to movie mafiosas than political representatives. The threat they encounter in the form of the Pashtun-backed ANP is a natural political evolution seen in every metropolis around the world undergoing demographic shifts, and the MQM must "win" Karachi through votes and constructing sound policy, rather than futile attempts at intimidation.

Indeed, in unofficial estimates (the last census was in 1998) the Pashtun community is today said to represent up to 40% of Karachi's population. The logic, to the MQM, is that this represents a larger capture of seats for the ANP, and, naturally, a diminution of MQM power. Yet as the demographics continue to shift, the MQM must face this reality and battle their opposition through ballots, rather than bullets, lest an eventual population shift turn against them in a deadly way. In turn, the ANP must learn from the experiences of the MQM and not promote an ethnic "other" narrative. What's more, the ANP, PPP and MQM must put an end to illicit planning and settlement building, in order to increase their political space. Increasing influence in Karachi must be earned through vote capture, not land capture. Beyond over-burdening the city's infrastructure, this activity leads to communities who see themselves as politically and -- thanks to the narrative of their parties -- ethnically at odds, to live in towns that resemble fault lines ready to collide and erupt the city open.

Some may deem such a prescription wishful thinking, but then again, the alternative is going on in Karachi right now. If the parties' political leadership do not strike a change in narrative and cease painting their woes as a result of ethnic marginalization, and as part of a broader struggle for "survival," then the current wave of violence may finally burst Karachi's defenses, and crash more fully onto the millions who call it home.









Bilal Baloch is a graduate student at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University. He is currently conducting field research in Karachi. You can follow him on Twitter @babaloch.
 
Totally agreed. We when call someone terrorist / responsible for karachi riots. Why dont we take any action? why just political mileage statements?

I am of strong opinion, deploy ARMY / RANGERs with full powers, shoot at sight orders. Some innocents might get killed due to that, but that would not be a loss deal, as we are already losing many people on account of target killings.

why people think that army is always the best option, are you crazy?? karachi is the financial hub of the entire country and army operation???

karachi generates millions of rupees for pakistan every day and bringing army into the residential areas, people will feel more insecured than they ever can in their lives??

and what about the starter of the whole mess in the first place, namely zerdari, when zerdari says he started the mqm and anp riots in the first, dont we need army operation against ppp and in the persidential palaces before army even touches karachi??

its very easy to say, hey dude call army, but army's work is in battle fields not in the urban centres or the largest economical heart of one's country itelf

what happens when the army leaves??? have you imagined the mess during and aftermath of operation??
 
Sad thing is I think PPP will win the upcoming elections. After Zulfiqar Mirza's racist statement Sindhis now consider him a god. They're now chanting Zulfiqar Mirza Zindabad, Muhajir qom Murdabad and stuff.

im afraid sindhis must have realized now how PPP treats them

 
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why people think that army is always the best option, are you crazy?? karachi is the financial hub of the entire country and army operation???

karachi generates millions of rupees for pakistan every day and bringing army into the residential areas, people will feel more insecured than they ever can in their lives??

and what about the starter of the whole mess in the first place, namely zerdari, when zerdari says he started the mqm and anp riots in the first, dont we need army operation against ppp and in the persidential palaces before army even touches karachi??

its very easy to say, hey dude call army, but army's work is in battle fields not in the urban centres or the largest economical heart of one's country itelf

what happens when the army leaves??? have you imagined the mess during and aftermath of operation??

Well, the reason for the presence of the Army, Rangers or any other safeguarding institution is simple.
To clean up the mess, and leave it clean after they leave, so a peaceful aftermath, instead of a violate one.
Otherwise, any operation wouldn't be labeled a succes.

I think you're seeing things a little wrong here.
Where the police fails, a stronger force has to step in and end this ongoing violence.
If you can't depend on the police, then how would the citizens of Karachi feel when they walk over the streets?

It's simply not right for certain elements residing inside Karachi to turn violent at will, ignoring the the safety matters and the public interests.

Nobody wants to see burning tires or bloody corpses on the streets. So to end that requires strong force.

And yes, also from political point of view, alot has to be changed in the way Karachi is governed and led.

Like I said before, if Zulfiqar Mirza is responsible for even 1 death because he might have said something insulting, and most likely knew what an outcry it would spark across Karachi. Then he needs to be dealt with.
Second, the entities who took it to the streets and caused these deaths have to be tracked down. I feel alot of things are not right with the "elite" ruling parties.

Their useless feuds have cost us enough innocent deaths. These selfish bastards need to realize that Pakistan comes first, not their own interests.
 
Anyone heard of this little incident?

Apparently in Aiwan-e-Sadr ANP, PPP and PML-Q (chamcha group) were all gathered together in an informal type of social event. The issue of Karachi's killing came up and after a few discussions Zardari boasted in Sindhi language to someone from PPP "See how I've gotten the Pathans and Muhajirs to take on each other". One Siraiki speaking PML-Q leader heard it and leaked it. Siraiki being similar to Sindhi, is understood by a few PML-Q leaders.

I've heard its been mentioned in some detail in Saleem Safi's 12 July article. I couldn't find it though, I think it will be updated here soon. But the issue is very hot among the political circles that what is this President up to?

Saleem Saafi | PKColumns | Paksitani Columns, Urdu Columns, Pakistani editorials

This is a major impeachable offense against the President if proven.
 
Anyone heard of this little incident?

Apparently in Aiwan-e-Sadr ANP, PPP and PML-Q (chamcha group) were all gathered together in an informal type of social event. The issue of Karachi's killing came up and after a few discussions Zardari boasted in Sindhi language to someone from PPP "See how I've gotten the Pathans and Muhajirs to take on each other". One Siraiki speaking PML-Q leader heard it and leaked it. Siraiki being similar to Sindhi, is understood by a few PML-Q leaders.

I've heard its been mentioned in some detail in Saleem Safi's 12 July article. I couldn't find it though, I think it will be updated here soon. But the issue is very hot among the political circles that what is this President up to?

Saleem Saafi | PKColumns | Paksitani Columns, Urdu Columns, Pakistani editorials

This is a major impeachable offense against the President if proven.

Sounds like speculation. But on the other hand, I would expect something like this from Zardari.
If these rumors are indeed true, and he would've said something similar to this, then he needs to be executed.
I'm not a fan of Zardari, the nation requires someone truly dedicated to lead the country.
Not to safeguard his/her own interests and position, like this man is constantly doing.

So much BS coming nowadays from our politicians, who are we to believe?
I hope more stories like this come out in the open and in the Pakistani media, so that the people wake up and realize that we need elections as soon as possible.
 
Well, the reason for the presence of the Army, Rangers or any other safeguarding institution is simple.
To clean up the mess, and leave it clean after they leave, so a peaceful aftermath, instead of a violate one.
Otherwise, any operation wouldn't be labeled a succes.

I think you're seeing things a little wrong here.
Where the police fails, a stronger force has to step in and end this ongoing violence.
If you can't depend on the police, then how would the citizens of Karachi feel when they walk over the streets?

It's simply not right for certain elements residing inside Karachi to turn violent at will, ignoring the the safety matters and the public interests.

Nobody wants to see burning tires or bloody corpses on the streets. So to end that requires strong force.

And yes, also from political point of view, alot has to be changed in the way Karachi is governed and led.

Like I said before, if Zulfiqar Mirza is responsible for even 1 death because he might have said something insulting, and most likely knew what an outcry it would spark across Karachi. Then he needs to be dealt with.
Second, the entities who took it to the streets and caused these deaths have to be tracked down. I feel alot of things are not right with the "elite" ruling parties.

Their useless feuds have cost us enough innocent deaths. These selfish bastards need to realize that Pakistan comes first, not their own interests.

were you brought up with gansters or what, why you always talk abt army and blood shed, kiddo, when you will see blood shed then you will know the value of life
 
why people think that army is always the best option, are you crazy?? karachi is the financial hub of the entire country and army operation???

karachi generates millions of rupees for pakistan every day and bringing army into the residential areas, people will feel more insecured than they ever can in their lives??

and what about the starter of the whole mess in the first place, namely zerdari, when zerdari says he started the mqm and anp riots in the first, dont we need army operation against ppp and in the persidential palaces before army even touches karachi??

its very easy to say, hey dude call army, but army's work is in battle fields not in the urban centres or the largest economical heart of one's country itelf

what happens when the army leaves??? have you imagined the mess during and aftermath of operation??

It doesn't matter who does the operation. But they should be uniformed persons, (not the police who takes political pressure). Okay, ignore the option of Army. But Rangers are there and they will remain there, just give them powers, no interference of Police, Shoot at sight orders. People are already getting killed on daily basis. No one is there to help them and no body arrests the killers. Just one person is killed by Rangers, DG rangers has to go, why? Was that Sarfraz Shah offering tarawih prayers there? He was robbing the people by showing an artificial gun.

So, if we want peace in Karachi, we need to be ready for any operation. Kisi mai kay laal main himmat na ho keh woh gun utha kar bahir niklay, salay kay dil main khauf hona chahyay keh agar gun uthai to maara jaaon ga.
 
It doesn't matter who does the operation. But they should be uniformed persons, (not the police who takes political pressure). Okay, ignore the option of Army. But Rangers are there and they will remain there, just give them powers, no interference of Police, Shoot at sight orders. People are already getting killed on daily basis. No one is there to help them and no body arrests the killers. Just one person is killed by Rangers, DG rangers has to go, why? Was that Sarfraz Shah offering tarawih prayers there? He was robbing the people by showing an artificial gun.

So, if we want peace in Karachi, we need to be ready for any operation. Kisi mai kay laal main himmat na ho keh woh gun utha kar bahir niklay, salay kay dil main khauf hona chahyay keh agar gun uthai to maara jaaon ga.

If you really want to know who must carry out the operation then it must be Karachi police and not Sindh or Punjab Police! The police department must be beefed up and Karachi should be policed with people who live in Karachi and whose families live Karachi, Karachi police must consist only of elements that stand to lose if Karachi loses and win when Karachi wins. Nobody can be as loyal and dedicated to my house as I and that's your solution.

Besides the rule of thumb in policing and security related matters assert that there must be 2 policemen for the first 100 civilians and atleast 1 for each consecutive 100 thereafter. Karachi's population is over 20 Million and this means a police force in excess of 2,00,000 instead of just 35k-36k (of which 50% are on VIP duty at any given moment!). They must also be highly educated (atleast intermediate for sipahi level) before they are eligible to apply and they must also be provided a compulsory course on manners, human rights & human psychology for independent behaviour development. They must be taught that they are in service to serve the citizens and not to govern them and the senior posts must be strictly from non establishment division circles or in other words senior police officials should be technocrats or people who have relevant degrees such as criminal psychology, policing matters etc. Their pay scales must also be better then any other Govt. job to discourage bribery culture and promote integrity.

But who cares.
 
Anyone heard of this little incident?

Apparently in Aiwan-e-Sadr ANP, PPP and PML-Q (chamcha group) were all gathered together in an informal type of social event. The issue of Karachi's killing came up and after a few discussions Zardari boasted in Sindhi language to someone from PPP "See how I've gotten the Pathans and Muhajirs to take on each other". One Siraiki speaking PML-Q leader heard it and leaked it. Siraiki being similar to Sindhi, is understood by a few PML-Q leaders.

I've heard its been mentioned in some detail in Saleem Safi's 12 July article. I couldn't find it though, I think it will be updated here soon. But the issue is very hot among the political circles that what is this President up to?

Saleem Saafi | PKColumns | Paksitani Columns, Urdu Columns, Pakistani editorials

This is a major impeachable offense against the President if proven.

Here it is.

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its a CLOUMN!!! NOT QURAN OR HADEES! but having said that the truth remains

1) MQM ONLY WANTED 2 SEATS IN KASHMIR HENCE ALL THE DRAMA

2) MQM DIDN'T WANT TO BE SIDELINED IN KARACHI HENCE DID ALL KILLINGS UNTIL ALL ITS DEMANDS WERE MEET & MQM SHOWED ITS GUN POWER

3) MQM WENT & SAT BACK WITH ZALIM ANP & WADERA PPP!!!
 
its a CLOUMN!!! NOT QURAN OR HADEES! but having said that the truth remains

1) MQM ONLY WANTED 2 SEATS IN KASHMIR HENCE ALL THE DRAMA

2) MQM DIDN'T WANT TO BE SIDELINED IN KARACHI HENCE DID ALL KILLINGS UNTIL ALL ITS DEMANDS WERE MEET & MQM SHOWED ITS GUN POWER

3) MQM WENT & SAT BACK WITH ZALIM ANP & WADERA PPP!!!

I think you forgot to turn your caps lock off :P.

Calm down and relax. and tell me that you previously said that MQM is earning a lot from Port and Shipping ministry.right?

If they left that ministry, just make a 'what they lost and what they earned' analysis.

Can two seats of Kashmir are equivalent to the gold mine ministry (someone used that terminology for port and shipping).

Well if MQM shown its gun power, they why the hell your beloved parties waited for 3 days and let the innocent people killed. and For your info, Kati Pahari from where all the gun fires were coming is ANP area.

As far as I know till now they haven't sit with ANP and PPPP.

Just come out from typical hatred and think neutrally.
 

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