Joint development of 5-generation fighter by Pakistan and China?

[cross1993]

J-xx is a specialized air supremacy fighter like the F-22.

The pictures of the H-8 Stealth Bomber:

 

[xuwei]

India dint add anything to Pak FA.... India is Not partnering Pak FA.... India is Partnering in FGFA.... Well as far as the Contributions there are Plenty, Co Designing a 2 seater version and Integrating Indian Systems as that of Su 30 MKI... If You want to Know what are the Indian Systems Engineered On MKI you are free to ask me, I will educate you about it....

More over, For India FGFA is more of a Technology demonstrator for AMCA, so India will try to Indigenize most of it...

May I ask why India customized T50 2 seater version?For Russia's avionics level is low make you add a person?
F22 one seat,F35 one seat,Russia PAK-FA one seat,J20 one seat,JXX one seat........
High level avionics fire control circumstances,No humanizing is trend.But why India makes more seater in fighter?

 

[no_koadsheding_plz]

y such silly threads are started .how a country that is on the verge of bankruptcy,35th corrupt,raft with terrorism,high inflation,highly uneducated policy makers, can even think of such things... above all the thread relates a country that hasn't been able to produce a single motorcycle engine to a 5th gen,ultra modern aircraft....
it seems that this forum is run and populated by fan boys for fan boys

 

[xuwei]

y such silly threads are started .how a country that is on the verge of bankruptcy,35th corrupt,raft with terrorism,high inflation,highly uneducated policy makers, can even think of such things... above all the thread relates a country that hasn't been able to produce a single motorcycle engine to a 5th gen,ultra modern aircraft....
it seems that this forum is run and populated by fan boys for fan boys

That's another question.
The economic, political and military supply each other.
Wish Pakistan tomorrow better.

 

[mourning sage]

not offensive but try to understand that:
india-russia 5th generation aircraft development cost is $10 billion, In which india is sharing 50% of development cost ($5 Billion) + 30% share in technology. In addition india will pay $25 Billion for 250 FGFA. it means $30 Bn for 250 FGFA.
Now no doubt china is also spending same amount for developing his 5th generation aircraft. Do you think pakistan can afford $30 billion(approx.) for 250 aircraft.

will you please take this liberty to explain how $25billion is approximately $30billion?
you are not dealing with a few hundreds that you can easily round the figures to nearest 10s. its billions of $$ ur talking about for godsakes!!!

 

[xuwei]

not offensive but try to understand that:
india-russia 5th generation aircraft development cost is $10 billion, In which india is sharing 50% of development cost ($5 Billion) + 30% share in technology. In addition india will pay $25 Billion for 250 FGFA. it means $30 Bn for 250 FGFA.
Now no doubt china is also spending same amount for developing his 5th generation aircraft. Do you think pakistan can afford $30 billion(approx.) for 250 aircraft.

Reference the mode of FC-1/JF17,(also K8,MBT2000 )project.China Providing loans,Pakistan Establish aviation industry,then sold it to ather country to earn money.Egypt has determine introduce JF17,and there will be more potential country.It's Benign circulation.
I believe there are far more country would like to build 5'th g fighter than JF17.
Maby we can ask China,Pakistan,Egypt,Turkey,Saudi,Iran......join the programe.

 

[Dazzler]

first read the post and than reply.......
FGFA development cost is $10 Bn, india is joint partner in this project. it's mean india is sharing 50% of total cost i.e. $5 bn. after the development india will pay $25 bn for 250 FGFA. so the total cost of FGAF for india is $5 + $25 Bn = $30 billion.

It is you who need to read the thread topic and then post, why do you guys have to bring FGFA/ PAK-FA in every discussion? Is breathing getting more difficult these days?

 

[Dazzler]

From what i have understood, Chinese have been working on RCS reduction, Stealth for at least fifteen years and j-20 is a clear example of it at least externally as it features many already implied technologies in different aircraft. Chinese seem to have done their home work but it is too early to speculate on general performance as of now. To be honest, 5 G tech is not an area where Pakistan has expertise as admitted by a military official but what is hidden under the wraps might surprise us in the next 4-6 years. A memorandum was signed between two countries to work together on stealth tech and China will help Pakistan with her expertise. These tech will surely be applied not only to FC-20 but also on JFT from 3rd block onwards. Still they will remain 4g fighters.

 

[Storm Force]

With respect to all posters.. JUST CALM DOWN.

jxx is a fifth generation programme demonstrator nothing more. ITS A 100% chinease programme funded by china,s $billions. ITS TOP SECRET.

China is not looking for partners OR does not want to share what is knows re fifth gen fighter technology.

Ask the Russians they turned them down on PAK FA who then ivited India...

UNTIL the chinease invite a partner for JXX or indeed some other programme and we have evidence eg (indo russian PAK FA AGREEMENT) and its well documentated on both sides its no use PAF will do this PAF will do that and indians are heavy breathing rubbish.

UNTIL then just sit bak relax lets see what the chinease do withy JXX and indeed what the indians/russians do with PAK FA.

ITS A LONG WAIT FOR BOTH about 10 years i think.

PAF is in no position to open up multiple projects with china on JXX. these things are sums of monys that are just to big at the moment.

Anyway PAF is busy with its Thunder development until 215. Azadpakistan in his earlier post thinks Pakistan will have 300 Thunders in PAF by 2015 AND HAVE SOLD 100-500 MORE TO OTHER COUNTRIES..

Cant tell if he was serious or just kidding

 

[Dazzler]

i was just giving a example...if u have problem than report it.

your wish granted, post reported. Congrats

 

[cross1993]

Given ours traditional policy of aircraft manufacturing, China will most likely create a functional analogue of foreign-made 5G planes that will cost 80% less than Russian models.

 

[monitor]

From what i have understood, Chinese have been working on RCS reduction, Stealth for at least fifteen years and j-20 is a clear example of it at least externally as it features many already implied technologies in different aircraft. Chinese seem to have done their home work but it is too early to speculate on general performance as of now. To be honest, 5 G tech is not an area where Pakistan has expertise as admitted by a military official but what is hidden under the wraps might surprise us in the next 4-6 years. A memorandum was signed between two countries to work together on stealth tech and China will help Pakistan with her expertise. These tech will surely be applied not only to FC-20 but also on JFT from 3rd block onwards. Still they will remain 4g fighters.

If china and pakistan jointly developed a stealth variant of jf-17 that will be nice .the same way as a low cost 5th generation for the country with little budget .but question will be remain can JF-17 turn in to a 5th generation or whether it will be economically a good project to turn a 4th generation into 5th generation or building a whole new aircraft will be more realistic .

China them self is involved with more then one 5th generation prject with out any outside finance so it is not essential china to form a partnership with anyone .but considering the trust and friendship may be we can dream for a joint pakistan china 5th generation fighter along with turkey or saudi arabia.

 

[chengdusudise]

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[AMCA]

May I ask why India customized T50 2 seater version?For Russia's avionics level is low make you add a person?
F22 one seat,F35 one seat,Russia PAK-FA one seat,J20 one seat,JXX one seat........
High level avionics fire control circumstances,No humanizing is trend.But why India makes more seater in fighter?

Based on the requirements, doctrine and the research data, the determination of the survivability factor that a dual-seat fighter offers is significant, it Increases the Survivability and Lethality than the Single seat fighter...

dual-seat crews have a higher exchange ratio than the single-seat crews against the given threat

reduces the Workload....

New Pilots can Improve there skills on the Fighter aircraft with an already experienced Pilot using this platform for training, Training in the Original one gives far better confidence to the Budding pilots...

 

[mjnaushad]

With respect to all posters.. JUST CALM DOWN.

jxx is a fifth generation programme demonstrator nothing more. ITS A 100% chinease programme funded by china,s $billions. ITS TOP SECRET.

China is not looking for partners OR does not want to share what is knows re fifth gen fighter technology.

Ask the Russians they turned them down on PAK FA who then ivited India...

UNTIL the chinease invite a partner for JXX or indeed some other programme and we have evidence eg (indo russian PAK FA AGREEMENT) and its well documentated on both sides its no use PAF will do this PAF will do that and indians are heavy breathing rubbish.

UNTIL then just sit bak relax lets see what the chinease do withy JXX and indeed what the indians/russians do with PAK FA.

ITS A LONG WAIT FOR BOTH about 10 years i think.

PAF is in no position to open up multiple projects with china on JXX. these things are sums of monys that are just to big at the moment.

Anyway PAF is busy with its Thunder development until 215. Azadpakistan in his earlier post thinks Pakistan will have 300 Thunders in PAF by 2015 AND HAVE SOLD 100-500 MORE TO OTHER COUNTRIES..

Cant tell if he was serious or just kidding

Why your post always look like "FAKE SELF SATISFACTION REPORT". Like Pakistan buyer not partner of JFT, Supplied kits from China, License production and Now You got the top secret information of what the plane is and who is gonna fly it. And whether they gonna share tech with PAF or not.....