Jinnah VS A.Kalam Azad

[fd24]

35 pages of mudslinging on maulana was on topic?

You have an opinion and i have an opinion. My opinion will perhaps differ from your opinion - i will respect that. What i wont respect is people diversifying off topic and talking about events AFTER which have no bearing on Jinnah VS Azad.
What i see on this thread is Pakistan praising Jinnah and Indians praising Azad. What i also see is a lot of trolls and excitable chaps not prepared to accept that BOTH nations have issues. Not 1 Indian has come on here to say they have issues - a sense of "our land is perfect - yours aint." If you guys want to live in a shell thinking that - thats fine but dont expect the rest of the world to believe your dellusional state.

 

[notsuperstitious]

You have an opinion and i have an opinion. My opinion will perhaps differ from your opinion - i will respect that. What i wont respect is people diversifying off topic and talking about events AFTER which have no bearing on Jinnah VS Azad.
What i see on this thread is Pakistan praising Jinnah and Indians praising Azad. What i also see is a lot of trolls and excitable chaps not prepared to accept that BOTH nations have issues. Not 1 Indian has come on here to say they have issues - a sense of "our land is perfect - yours aint." If you guys want to live in a shell thinking that - thats fine but dont expect the rest of the world to believe your dellusional state.

The topic is not which country has issues, is it? The topic a started by a pakistani was Jinnah and Azad's views on the matter of partition.

On page 2 the OP and ''researcher'' said Kalam was a perverted man (because he believed in the perverted notion of hindu muslim unity). If that is praising Jinnah then my opinion of Jinnah was correct.

BTW that offensive post was thanked by your bro, but I've stopped holding him responsible for what he does for obvious reasons.

 

[MilSpec]

The so-called maulana opposed our independence, why pray? - should Pakistanis have a favorable opinion of him.

Well. maulana also opposed division of India into 200 independent states, not jus pakistan, apart from that, every pakistani opposed independence of bangladesh, so should every bengali have an unfavorable view of pakistanis?

Agreed that Jinnah was a gr88 leader, but maulanas views were very noble and beyond the understanding of people who cannot see the how great the unified nation could have been.

You have an opinion and i have an opinion. My opinion will perhaps differ from your opinion - i will respect that. What i wont respect is people diversifying off topic and talking about events AFTER which have no bearing on Jinnah VS Azad.
What i see on this thread is Pakistan praising Jinnah and Indians praising Azad. What i also see is a lot of trolls and excitable chaps not prepared to accept that BOTH nations have issues. Not 1 Indian has come on here to say they have issues - a sense of "our land is perfect - yours aint." If you guys want to live in a shell thinking that - thats fine but dont expect the rest of the world to believe your dellusional state.

post #332.......

 

[fd24]

The topic is not which country has issues, is it? The topic a started by a pakistani was Jinnah and Azad's views on the matter of partition.

On page 2 the OP and ''researcher'' said Kalam was a perverted man (because he believed in the perverted notion of hindu muslim unity). If that is praising Jinnah then my opinion of Jinnah was correct.

BTW that offensive post was thanked by your bro, but I've stopped holding him responsible for what he does for obvious reasons.

Look fateh - Jinnah was a hero to his own people - Azad was a hero to his peoples enemies i.e. hindus and no matter how big a pedastal you put him on and no matter how big a hero he was to you guys - as far as Pakistanis are concerned he was a traiter.
I know its not a Pakistani v India situation but give me a break how do you expect the citizens of both nations to behave and back?
If you go back through this thread you will note the swearing and abuse was started by Indian members and derailing occurred but doesnt matter what you say - he will NEVER be a hero to his own people - have a think mate.
BTW - You noticed a thank you by someone yet dont see who started the derailing? shame...

 

[somebozo]

Well. maulana also opposed division of India into 200 independent states, not jus pakistan, apart from that, every pakistani opposed independence of bangladesh, so should every bengali have an unfavorable view of pakistanis?

Agreed that Jinnah was a gr88 leader, but maulanas views were very noble and beyond the understanding of people who cannot see the how great the unified nation could have been.



post #332.......

God forbid even the slightest imagination of united state.
1000 farmers commit sucide each year in India yet there is no record of mass farmer suicide in Pakistan. The Indian socialist experiement by Nehru kept the en-masses backward and starved and in those days we looked to India as an example of how miserable one'f life could get. Much of the accomplishment India has achieved is due to its people effort not the government. By seperating from incompetent nehru socialist government, the people of Pakistan - the North-West part of Indian subcontinent have development a thriving resiliency. The same part of the continent which was one of the poorest in whole and would remain so if India was to remain united.

 

[MilSpec]

God forbid even the slightest imagination of united state.
1000 farmers commit sucide each year in India yet there is no record of mass farmer suicide in Pakistan. The Indian socialist experiement by Nehru kept the en-masses backward and starved and in those days we looked to India as an example of how miserable one'f life could get. Much of the accomplishment India has achieved is due to its people effort not the government. By seperating from incompetent nehru socialist government, the people of Pakistan - the North-West part of Indian subcontinent have development a thriving resiliency. The same part of the continent which was one of the poorest in whole and would remain so if India was to remain united.

have no words, cant really decide if that was utterly stupid or just####### insane!!!

 

[Porus]

If the number of slain muslims is in fact being sought to present a barometer to the futility or wiseness of what Maulana was proposing then the partition effected (and so eloquently trumpeted by Jinnah in the telegram) alone killed more number of Muslims then any communal event in post 1947 India ever did. In fact if you tally up the number of Bengali Muslims slaughtered by the Muslim Pakistani army then even that number tallies up to be manifold than the number of slain Muslims in India (and I am not even bringing in the communal offset of Hindu deaths in these violences).

Communal violence existed in India even in days before partition. So there is no question of Maulana and all other leaders of India to not have suffered from these.

The actual question that you must be asking is whether Jinnah who in his pompousness claimed to bring an elixir to the table with his trumpeted solution was able to achieve what he claimed or not. Revisit my first part of this post and the answer is a clear NO.

Now all this has been reduced to the numbers game and statistics. How many times should one twist and turn arguments to justify his bitching and to hide his own ugly face?

The great clairvoyant Maulana, who was thanks to almighty Bhagwan not a lowly converted Hindu, never predicted any kind of violence that would take place in every nook and cranny against the Muslims and other minorities in the shinning secular India, he failed to see the mass graves of Kashmiri Muslims in his oracle of wisdom, the destruction of a famous mosque, the mutilated dead bodies of Sikhs burnt by the Hindu mobs, the genocide of Muslims in Gujarat, or the violence against the Christian community because it had been a norm in that country anyway.

We never experienced any kind of communal violence on that scale in Pakistan in which two communities butchered each other like pigs as we witnessed it in ‘secular’ India. Even during the worst period of 1971 in which a part of this country got separated, not a single event of violence against the Bengali community living in the cities of West Pakistan was reported. The army was sent in to eliminate the terrorist who had infiltrated from India and their local supporters and it did its job quite successfully, but the upper echelon of the army Janta blocked every political attempt of reconciliation because the separation of its eastern wing was already decided by the army generals. Even the whole blame of Islamic terrorism which is going on in this country goes to Pakistan army. Muslims of all sects living peacefully together and respect each other’s beliefs. If only army stops its support to the Islamic terrorists there will be peace in this country form Khyber to Karachi.

 

[Marwat Khan Lodhi]

I did'nt know much about maulana abdul kalam azad, i saw that programe of aaj kamran khan k saath, in which predictions of him about pakistan were shown, which turn out amazingly correct.

 

[lem34]

Look fateh - Jinnah was a hero to his own people - Azad was a hero to his peoples enemies i.e. hindus and no matter how big a pedastal you put him on and no matter how big a hero he was to you guys - as far as Pakistanis are concerned he was a traiter.

And he had no support amongst his own people. He did not reflect the aspirations of his own people

 

[MM_Haider]

Epic , just EPIC !

Which book it is?

 

[Vinod2070]

God forbid even the slightest imagination of united state.
1000 farmers commit sucide each year in India yet there is no record of mass farmer suicide in Pakistan. The Indian socialist experiement by Nehru kept the en-masses backward and starved and in those days we looked to India as an example of how miserable one'f life could get. Much of the accomplishment India has achieved is due to its people effort not the government. By seperating from incompetent nehru socialist government, the people of Pakistan - the North-West part of Indian subcontinent have development a thriving resiliency. The same part of the continent which was one of the poorest in whole and would remain so if India was to remain united.

We are glad to be rid of you as well.

Good that the partition is working for you as well. We are quite happy with it.

No need to justify it all the time, it is a done deal now. Irreversibly so.

 

[Porus]

We are glad to be rid of you as well.

Good that the partition is working for you as well. We are quite happy with it.

No need to justify it all the time, it is a done deal now. Irreversibly so.

You have said it a thousand times in the last few days, mate. Now take some rest and stop chattering the same lines over and over again like a monkey.

 

[Vinod2070]

You have said it a thousand times in the last few days, mate. Now take some rest and stop chattering the same lines over and over again like a monkey.

Talk to them in a language they understand.

 

[fd24]

Talk to them in a language they understand.

or of course the only language you can talk....
I think this thread has past its sell by date dude - bit like your posts.

 

[Vinod2070]

or of course the only language you can talk....
I think this thread has past its sell by date dude - bit like your posts.

Well, if I say partition was bad, we are accused of not acknowledging and accepting Pakistan.

Now that we say that we are glad for the partition, we are accused as well.

You guys are a tad difficult to please.