JH7B As Buddy Refueller:----

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Pakistan air force is going for air to air refueling for its JF17 fleet. It currently has the Illyushin aircraft for that job. Incidently---during actual war time---the heavy refuellers in the Pakistani arena would be taken out in the first 48 to 72 hours due to limited space of flight.

So---to compensate for that---the air force needs a different options. The different option can be a medium to heavy fighter bomber type of aircraft----which---along with carrying its prime activities can also add another important feature to its abilities---that is air to air BUDDY REFUELLING.

The enemy air force would take it as its first and foremost priority to take out the heavy refuellers---they will go all out to neutralize this serious threat and the target time is the first 48 hours----. We can anticipate the refuellers to be completely out of service after the first 72 hours by the enemy.

So---after that time period---the air force---which would be in dire need of refuellers---would be left empty handed. And---in order for it to have a secondary platform to meet and exceed the needs of air to air refueling it has no other option but to go for a heavy strike aircraft which can have a dual / multi purpose utility.

So---again this utility can be arranged for a JH7B type of aircraft---it is your bomber---it is your BVR truck---it is your Electronic counter measure / Growler type aircraft---it can carry your future long distance ALCM's----and it can be hooked up with the utility of a drogue to fill up other aircraft in need.

I think that the Paf needs to go for a multi purpose aircraft for air to air refueling rather than a full time refueller because of the very limited air space for most of its area.

The only place that this Illyushin type aircraft can successfully engage in refueling without an immediate enemy threat is over most of Baluchistan and Arabian sea in the Gwadar / pasni region---and that area is not enough to meet the needs of the air force.

With a hose and drogue type buddy refueller---all those aircraft can be used in that capacity any time of the day or night.

@Indus Falcon @silent hawk

 

[war&peace]

Ladies and gentleman.....Mastan Khan is back.....as usual with a new idea.....there is a difference this time...
I LIKE THIS IDEA

 

[touela]

How can a bomber like this one carry enough fuel to refuel another plane(s) ?

 

[war&peace]

How can a bomber like this one carry enough fuel to refuel another plane(s) ?

With external fuel tanks.

 

[touela]

With external fuel tanks.

but it still needs to defence itself from incoming missiles. So probably with two external fuel tanks, it can only refuel one plane ?

Otherwise MasterKhan is right, the big air refueller will be shot down easily.

Maybe we just need fighters/bombers with longe range and forget about air refueling.

 

[war&peace]

but it still needs to defence itself from incoming missiles. So probably with two external fuel tanks, it can only refuel one plane ?

Otherwise MasterKhan is right, the big air refueller will be shot down easily.

Maybe we just need fighters/bombers with longe range and forget about air refueling.

It can carry 9000 kg of payload. If it has 9 hard points, then it can carry 3-4 fuel tanks and still 4-5 AIM9L for its defence.

 

[Skull and Bones]

This is a very tactical solution, IAF uses Mig-29 and Su-30MKI for Buddy refueling.

 

[baqai]

i like that idea .. also i am not really sure but given the geographical boundaries of Pakistan any fighter bomber can easily buddy fuel the planes within its boundary (and even penetrate a little bit inside other terrortiry) and safely land to a nearest airfield

 

[war&peace]

I would dare to say Su-35 with its massive payload can carry enough fuel to refuel a few thirsty birds of PAF and still knock IAF ducks and crows off the sky

 

[Indus Falcon]

@MastanKhan As good as an idea this is, it's an uphill task to convince PAF, and then PA for the funds.

Note: I agree with you 100%.

 

[Viper 94]

first PAF needs to instal the refueling probe on jf-17s the buddy system can be implemented afterwards
besides is not designed to be a deep strike aircraft nor does it needs to be one
jf-17s would be better off carrying extra weapons or fuel individually rather that devote a hardpoint for a drogue system
no aircraft is USAF have this system only the navy's f-18 can do buddy refueling

 

[war&peace]

@MastanKhan As good as an idea this is, it's an uphill task to convince PAF, and then PA for the funds.

Note: I agree with you 100%.

I have a question. Does anyone, on duty and at a level above grp cap, reads these comments or even has an account on pdf?

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan As good as an idea this is, it's an uphill task to convince PAF, and then PA for the funds.

Note: I agree with you 100%.

Hi,

Actually it is not a matter of convincing PAF. Just like Gen Musharraf did----cancelled some orders of the ereiye and bought the Chinese version and let the paf get pi-ssed off as much they wanted to---that is what is needed to be done by the CinC-----.

Basically---this order and procurement needs to come from the top----and paf told---here are the numbers that you are getting---now get ready and place a setup and training schedule.

Someone in power has to shove the heavy fighter bomber down the paf's throat by force----. Fighter aircraft mafia boys need to be showed who the real Boss is.

I have a question. Does anyone, on duty and at a level above grp cap, reads these comments or even has an account on pdf?

Hi,

I really have no clue about that----.

first PAF needs to instal the refueling probe on jf-17s the buddy system can be implemented afterwards
besides is not designed to be a deep strike aircraft nor does it needs to be one
jf-17s would be better off carrying extra weapons or fuel individually rather that devote a hardpoint for a drogue system
no aircraft is USAF have this system only the navy's f-18 can do buddy refueling

I think we are talking about a different aircraft for that job----aren't we!

 

[war&peace]

Hi,

Actually it is not a matter of convincing PAF. Just like Gen Musharraf did----cancelled some orders of the ereiye and bought the Chinese version and let the paf get pi-ssed off as much they wanted to---that is what is needed to be done by the CinC-----.

Basically---this order and procurement needs to come from the top----and paf told---here are the numbers that you are getting---now get ready and place a setup and training schedule.

Someone in power has to shove the heavy fighter bomber down the paf's throat by force----. Fighter aircraft mafia boys need to be showed who the real Boss is.



Hi,

I really have no clue about that----.



I think we are talking about a different aircraft for that job----aren't we!

I still have contacts some friends of my father but I'm not sure if they will listen me about it. Normally they laugh and dismiss.

 

[Signalian]

SU35 can do this job better