JF17 what is the real deal ....... Out side no South Asian assessmenmt

[The Maverick]

Lately ever since the Tejas mark1a deal has been signed all we keep seeing is posts about how useless thje Tejas is and pakistanm have done a temendous job on the Thunder . How it is superior platform to everything IAF has ideally needed western engine less
Some even claim better than SU30MKI let alone the Tejas or Mirage2000 .

i have attempted to highlight the obviuos glaring weaknesses in block 1 & 2 IE the current 100-120 fleet they have today ... which admittedly they will partly try to rectify in block 3 with 50 new fighters

1. No HMD or HOBS missles serious weakness in dogfight against all IAF fighters even TEJAS mark 1
There argument we design for BVR only
2. not ideal engine high maintenance less down time rudssian engines ok but serious maintenanmce india has 1000 spare engines for su309mki still barely manage 60% peace time aviailability
3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder
4. alloy metal air frame not composite like moder fighters = more cracks more stress on airframe alot sooner
5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed.

So i tried to do some research not sure how well this will go down so with baited breadth here goes

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk | Hush-Kit

2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? | Hush-Kit

 

[khanmubashir]

Lately ever since the Tejas mark1a deal has been signed all we keep seeing is posts about how useless thje Tejas is and pakistanm have done a temendous job on the Thunder . How it is superior platform to everything IAF has ideally needed western engine less
Some even claim better than SU30MKI let alone the Tejas or Mirage2000 .

i have attempted to highlight the obviuos glaring weaknesses in block 1 & 2 IE the current 100-120 fleet they have today ... which admittedly they will partly try to rectify in block 3 with 50 new fighters

1. No HMD or HOBS missles serious weakness in dogfight against all IAF fighters even TEJAS mark 1
There argument we design for BVR only
2. not ideal engine high maintenance less down time rudssian engines ok but serious maintenanmce india has 1000 spare engines for su309mki still barely manage 60% peace time aviailability
3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder
4. alloy metal air frame not composite like moder fighters = more cracks more stress on airframe alot sooner
5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed.

So i tried to do some research not sure how well this will go down so with baited breadth here goes

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk | Hush-Kit

2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? | Hush-Kit

The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks
This is from yr given Hush kit link sonny so it says it can be close to block 50/52 f16s and that's for block 2
3 will be much better
And remember jf17 is meant to replace our older 3rd generation jets like mirage and f7 and to complement f16
to replace f16 themselves we are going for project azm fifth generation fighter

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

Nice articles,

He sums it up pretty good by stating:

However, it is worth remembering that the JF-17 is not really intended to take on Typhoons, Rafales, F-15s or Su-35s. It is meant to be a cheap and cheerful light multirole fighter and configured accordingly.

and this is what he has to say for the Tejas:

 

[Vapnope]

3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder

Pl5, SD10, Mar-1 are all foreign missiles.

5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed

While yes it doesn't have three axis FBW system but the crash record of JF17 speaks for itself.

JF17 was developed to bring certain techonologies that were not available with F16. Tejas might be a super plane at paper but world has yet to see it in numbers to make a statement.

 

[Bossman]

Lately ever since the Tejas mark1a deal has been signed all we keep seeing is posts about how useless thje Tejas is and pakistanm have done a temendous job on the Thunder . How it is superior platform to everything IAF has ideally needed western engine less
Some even claim better than SU30MKI let alone the Tejas or Mirage2000 .

i have attempted to highlight the obviuos glaring weaknesses in block 1 & 2 IE the current 100-120 fleet they have today ... which admittedly they will partly try to rectify in block 3 with 50 new fighters

1. No HMD or HOBS missles serious weakness in dogfight against all IAF fighters even TEJAS mark 1
There argument we design for BVR only
2. not ideal engine high maintenance less down time rudssian engines ok but serious maintenanmce india has 1000 spare engines for su309mki still barely manage 60% peace time aviailability
3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder
4. alloy metal air frame not composite like moder fighters = more cracks more stress on airframe alot sooner
5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed.

So i tried to do some research not sure how well this will go down so with baited breadth here goes

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk | Hush-Kit

2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? | Hush-Kit

On paper Tejas has all the elements missing in the JF17 but then the Tejas is a trailer queen and hardly flies. JF17 has been combat.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Lately ever since the Tejas mark1a deal has been signed all we keep seeing is posts about how useless thje Tejas is and pakistanm have done a temendous job on the Thunder . How it is superior platform to everything IAF has ideally needed western engine less
Some even claim better than SU30MKI let alone the Tejas or Mirage2000 .

i have attempted to highlight the obviuos glaring weaknesses in block 1 & 2 IE the current 100-120 fleet they have today ... which admittedly they will partly try to rectify in block 3 with 50 new fighters

1. No HMD or HOBS missles serious weakness in dogfight against all IAF fighters even TEJAS mark 1
There argument we design for BVR only
2. not ideal engine high maintenance less down time rudssian engines ok but serious maintenanmce india has 1000 spare engines for su309mki still barely manage 60% peace time aviailability
3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder
4. alloy metal air frame not composite like moder fighters = more cracks more stress on airframe alot sooner
5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed.

So i tried to do some research not sure how well this will go down so with baited breadth here goes

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk | Hush-Kit

2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? | Hush-Kit

HMD can easily be integrated to block1 and 2 if need be...

And new engines can also replace RD93 with RD93MA... but this is if need be again..

JF17 is doing what it is needed for and that too very well.. no wonder india needed to ground 40% of JF17 with propaganda and GVS the grounded 60% indian tejas was funny tbh

Biggest chayapa is you saying it can not carry any foreign weapons only if you had done some research you would know it can carry not only Chinese but also western and Pak made weapons and we PAC has a special team for weapon integration...

Yes it is not made of composite to keep the cost low but its design is makes up for stress bearing of composite..

And again block wise approach was and low cost forced PAC to use single axis FBW but crash record shows that it wasnt a bad choice..

 

[Trango Towers]

Lately ever since the Tejas mark1a deal has been signed all we keep seeing is posts about how useless thje Tejas is and pakistanm have done a temendous job on the Thunder . How it is superior platform to everything IAF has ideally needed western engine less
Some even claim better than SU30MKI let alone the Tejas or Mirage2000 .

i have attempted to highlight the obviuos glaring weaknesses in block 1 & 2 IE the current 100-120 fleet they have today ... which admittedly they will partly try to rectify in block 3 with 50 new fighters

1. No HMD or HOBS missles serious weakness in dogfight against all IAF fighters even TEJAS mark 1
There argument we design for BVR only
2. not ideal engine high maintenance less down time rudssian engines ok but serious maintenanmce india has 1000 spare engines for su309mki still barely manage 60% peace time aviailability
3. no foreign weapons carried on thunder
4. alloy metal air frame not composite like moder fighters = more cracks more stress on airframe alot sooner
5. one single axis FBW not triplex or quadruplex which enhances safety so much no pilot control needed.

So i tried to do some research not sure how well this will go down so with baited breadth here goes

So how good is Pakistan’s JF-17 fighter aircraft? Analysis from RUSI think-tank’s Justin Bronk | Hush-Kit

2019 analysis: How good is the Block II Pakistan JF-17 fighter aircraft today compared to its peers and potential threats? | Hush-Kit

1. Your point are incorrect.
2. You fighters only have ejection seats that work.

Jf17 says hi India

The JF-17 as an airframe is certainly competitive with the F-16, being slightly aerodynamically cleaner, with a lower wing loading but a less efficient engine than the F-16s latest F110-GE-129/132 engine options. In terms of pilot interface, sensor suite and weapon flexibility, the JF-17 is roughly at a par with 1990s-vintage F-16 Block 40/42 and could be close to the USAF-standard Block 50/52, although without the conformal fuel tanks
This is from yr given Hush kit link sonny so it says it can be close to block 50/52 f16s and that's for block 2
3 will be much better
And remember jf17 is meant to replace our older 3rd generation jets like mirage and f7 and to complement f16
to replace f16 themselves we are going for project azm fifth generation fighter

I think you are correct in your analysis for block 1. Block 2 is a much better fighter as you say but block 3 as per air marshal shahid lateef block 3 is better than anything in PAF inventory and that includes f16.

 

[The Maverick]

The JF-17 Fighter: How China Is Already Helping Pakistan Fight India (yahoo.com)

This article claims strong BVR capabilkity
But acknowledges slight concern over engine maintenance and emphasis is BVR engagement Rather than WVR capability
The issue with BVR engagement is kill ratios above 50km are extremely rare.

One you get into 50km the indian fighters have quality NEZ bvr missles like mica and derby. ,,

I think once you get into below 20km the HMD and HOBS missles are king.

In which case thunder will be way behind mki tejas , mirage2000 & mig29 who all boast this .

Even rafale was customised at great cost to add HMD and HOBS

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

@The Maverick, you want analysis? Here's one for you:

26 February 2019
No LCA Flying Rickshaw.

27 February 2019
JF-17 Thunders bombed Indian controlled territory.

 

[IceCold]

Nice articles,

He sums it up pretty good by stating:


and this is what he has to say for the Tejas:

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Reminds me of this:

 

[Black.Mamba]

Reminds me of this:

Bhai na jazbat sai khela kero aisay. The samosas we get here have a very close competition with Tejas, they often make me wonder which are more bad

 

[The Maverick]

@The Maverick, you want analysis? Here's one for you:

26 February 2019
No LCA Flying Rickshaw.

27 February 2019
JF-17 Thunders bomb Indian controlled territory.

@The Maverick, you want analysis? Here's one for you:

26 February 2019
No LCA Flying Rickshaw.

27 February 2019
JF-17 Thunders bomb Indian controlled territory.

SIGHT TO BEHOLD BRO

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

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SIGHT TO BEHOLD BRO

LCA Flying Rickshaw is the ugliest desined aircraft 21st century.

Behold this instead:

Block-1A: 50
Block-2A: 62
Block-2B: 26

Total produced for the PAF so far: 138

That's already produced and inducted. So, take your pathetic analysis elsewhere where it's appreciated by your ilk.

 

[Vapnope]

The JF-17 Fighter: How China Is Already Helping Pakistan Fight India (yahoo.com)

This article claims strong BVR capabilkity
But acknowledges slight concern over engine maintenance and emphasis is BVR engagement Rather than WVR capability
The issue with BVR engagement is kill ratios above 50km are extremely rare.

One you get into 50km the indian fighters have quality NEZ bvr missles like mica and derby. ,,

I think once you get into below 20km the HMD and HOBS missles are king.

In which case thunder will be way behind mki tejas , mirage2000 & mig29 who all boast this .

Even rafale was customised at great cost to add HMD and HOBS

The problem with your statement is that you are thinking that JF17 will go into combat without force multipliers. Pakistan has showcased recently that despite having inferior planes, it can utilize other assets like DA20 and Awacs to create problems for an otherwise superior airforce. No plane will be fighting alone in case of war between India and Pakistan.

 

[Mrc]

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SIGHT TO BEHOLD BRO

Does resembles samosa alot