JF-17B Updates, News & Discussion

[The Eagle]

One would hope the NGF doesnt use sheet metal for the skin.

First of all it's not NGF discussion thread. However in regard to point you made; I can't imagine a plain sheet metal for NGF at all. There are obvious & understood rules for NGF in this particular area. Composites & then RAM coating plays major role. Now we can see how the designer will play along in frame work.

 

[Tipu7]

2P-84

 

[m52k85]

2P-84

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Is there any evidence of different wing structure? Additional hard points/ strengthened stations? Block-III is supposedly based on the Bravo in some ways and we expect 4 BVRs on Block-III.
@khanasifm I think you have looked at wing structure in detail previously.

Is this even a Bravo to begin with, since some people are of the opinion there are still a few Block-IIs from the additional order of 12 remaining? @Pakistan Space Agency

 

[m52k85]

the metal in the sheet metal can be an alloy / composite

kv

My understanding is composites use a different process, lying of fiber, gluing and baking. Nothing like sheet metal forming.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Is there any evidence of different wing structure? Additional hard points/ strengthened stations? Block-III is supposedly based on the Bravo in some ways and we expect 4 BVRs on Block-III.
@khanasifm I think you have looked at wing structure in detail previously.

Is this even a Bravo to begin with, since some people are of the opinion there are still a few Block-IIs from the additional order of 12 remaining? @Pakistan Space Agency

Yes, there are 3 remaining out of total of 62 Block-2 single seaters.

2P-60, 2P-61 and 2P-62 are now NAF-720, NAF-721 and NAF-722.

It's not confirmed but it looks like 2P-81, 2P-82 and 2P-83 (or possibly 2P-84 instead of 2P-81) are the single seaters for PAF.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

2P-84

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Sharp eye brother.

 

[m52k85]

Yes, there are 3 remaining out of total of 62 Block-2 single seaters.

2P-60, 2P-61 and 2P-62 are now NAF-720, NAF-721 and NAF-722.

It's not confirmed but it looks like 2P-81, 2P-82 and 2P-83 (or possibly 2P-84 instead of 2P-81) are the single seaters for PAF.

2P-82 is definitely Bravo. Swept vertical tail with fuel tank it it:

 

[MIRauf]

It seems PAC / CAC chose the team that designed the JL-9 canopy vs the team that designed JL-10 / L-15. JL-9 hinges on the outside, JL-10 / L-15 inside. Oh well, PAF / PAF Fans will just have to live with it.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

It seems PAC / CAC chose the team that designed the JL-9 canopy vs the team that designed JL-10 / L-15. JL-9 hinges on the outside, JL-10 / L-15 inside. Oh well, PAF / PAF Fans will just have to live with it.

Let's hope there's no one the AZM team going, "wait till you see the hinges on the NGFA..."

 

[LKJ86]

It seems PAC / CAC chose the team that designed the JL-9 canopy vs the team that designed JL-10 / L-15. JL-9 hinges on the outside, JL-10 / L-15 inside. Oh well, PAF / PAF Fans will just have to live with it.

CAC also has the team that designed the J-10S's canopy without such hinges.

 

[MIRauf]

Doesn't J-10S canopy lifts upwards like F-16 B/D ? JF-17 couldn't sacrifice anymore internal space so they had to settle for side opening and went with JL-9 style instead of JL-10.

 

[valkyr_96]

CAC also has the team that designed the J-10S's canopy without such hinges.
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This is not a side opening canopy.
A cursory look on the matter suggest there are at least two jets with side opening canopies none of them have hinges on the outside. The hawk hinge is visible in this screen shot:

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I wrote something but then it was not worth it.

 

[PakFactor]

Let's hope there's no one the AZM team going, "wait till you see the hinges on the NGFA..."

We know for sure it was a Desi uncle on the team looking for a cost effective method.

 

[MIRauf]

Let's hope there's no one the AZM team going, "wait till you see the hinges on the NGFA..."

Grrrr, if they use the same team then I wouldn't doubt it, I know that you are joking but just...

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Grrrr, if they use the same team then I wouldn't doubt it, I know that you are joking but just...

look, I did have that dream of a PAF official saying, "I don't think AZM needs to be 5th generation..." You just never know with our guys.