The Rd-93 is useless?RD93 is useless,I want to meet those genius guys..
I am not of the context
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The Rd-93 is useless?RD93 is useless,I want to meet those genius guys..
Sigh....I want to meet that genius who was saying RD 93 is useless because that engine has lodged thousands of flying hours on JFT and above all it is very mature system like rd 33.Oscar sir you actually got me wrong.The Rd-93 is useless?
I am not of the context
Sigh....I want to meet that genius who was saying RD 93 is useless because that engine has lodged thousands of flying hours on JFT and above all it is very mature system like rd 33.Oscar sir you actually got me wrong.
The Rd-93 is useless?
No difference in physical appearance besides token changes to accommodate equipment.Sir, I don't think someone literally meant that its useless (useless would mean it can't even start ). But I think if you know the history of RD-93 engines, the cost to operate them on Migs is very high, MTBF, and availability of aircrafts post a few hours long flight operation was very low (some estimates suggest 40%, Indian SU's have some issues like that too).
But the one's supplied for the JF-17, were initially tweaked per the Chinese requirements. So these are much better and have higher MTBF than the original ones. I think whoever said they are "useless" was referring to the original version where fighter availability used to drop to 40%. RD-93 MA would supposedly increase the MTBF by 100% from some sources I've seen on the internet. Thanks
Sir, sorry for the diversion from your question. I wanted to ask, do you or anyone has pictures of the JFT block III design? I've read it on multiple places that the design would be somewhat different than the block I and II.
@Windjammer : Sir, please post pictures of the JFT block III design if you have them, or will get them. Thank you
Sir, it is a known fact. For those of us who have been involved with aviation, would know the Russian fighters using this engine (Mig-29 specifically), have 40% availability after just a few hours of flight. The Chinese, when bought the RD-93, had already asked for certain optimizations on this engine before it was put into the JF-17.
RD-93 MA is supposed to have better combustion processing, spooling and thrust obviously, with digital controls so it will have twice or more the MTBF, with reduced Carbon dispensing (Black smoke).
Sir, this comparison is being done due to the stolen tech of the JSF. However, it takes a mature industry to even build stolen items 100% right. Knowing the Chinese manufacturing capabilities in their early stages to produce this sophisticated tech, there isn't really a comparison between the APG series and anything else the Chinese produce. The APG series has matured overtime for close to a century know. So product reliability doesn't have a comparison.
On capability, if this is truly a copy of the JSF radar, you can use your common sense and as this may be the first generation of radars the Chinese are producing at this level (when with the tech they stole), I'd make it 60-70% comparable. But then if they mass produce it, obviously, the quantity has its own quality I guess.
From kilmov and chernyshev.
I beg you pardon sir,where did I said it's a crappy engine!
It is also said that its developed from Israeli ELTA 2052 AESA radar (Israel may have been involved to some level), if true how capable it would be?
In black panthers? did PAF quietly replaced all their jets with block 2?
Thing to be seen is, this one is from the Panther Sqd based at Peshawar, which previously equipped with Block-I but now replaced them with Block-IIs.
So older Sqds getting newer jets, older jets getting updated and given to new raised sqds.
No 2 Sqd latest to get JF-17, but got Block-1s. Nice.
Not exactly; the idea is to have the OCU base for the JF-17 have the latest tech to test out.Thing to be seen is, this one is from the Panther Sqd based at Peshawar, which previously equipped with Block-I but now replaced them with Block-IIs.
So older Sqds getting newer jets, older jets getting updated and given to new raised sqds.
No 2 Sqd latest to get JF-17, but got Block-1s. Nice.
Good eye sir easy to over lookknock knock, notice something, especially the different camo jf-17 in the background, Nigerian perhaps?
But can't be Nigerian as there camo is khaki and green , Myanmar looks similar to this , heck some might even say qatar(jk)knock knock, notice something, especially the different camo jf-17 in the background, Nigerian perhaps?