JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[MIRauf]

There is no such thing as changing oil in jet engine just FYI

One adds whatever amount may get burn / used / leaked,

Check around 8:30ish

 

[Jinn Baba]

Th light grey is really beautiful.
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This is my Fav PAF camo, sadly its no longer in use.
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There was also a green jungle camo used on A5s years ago, only ever saw 1 pic of it and it was amazing.

But this on JF17B would indeed look great.

 

[Maxpane]

 

[wulff]

Hi,

There is no reason for a twin engine JF17---. It already exists---it is called J31----.

Now---if you want a stealth single engine---that I can understand---.

But that twin engine does not serve the same purpose as a JH7A. The JH7 can carry a very heavy load---plus it has a long flight radius---. If it can be modified to be refuelled in air---that woud be a massive force multiplier---.

A twin engine JF17 cannot carry that load---.

The most important aspect of the JH7A engine and its design is its low low flying capability plus its heavy load carrying capacity---thru its flight plan---which is a must for strike over the ocean targets---or targets on the surface of the ocean...

One of our BANNED bangladeshi colleague had done some research on why I am in favor of the JH7A came up with a wonderful / knowledgeable article on the subject matter---which I presume went over the heads of majority of the readers---.

Low flight comsumes a lots of fuel---the JH7's engines were designed for that very purpose---where they were most efficient---. The wing design of the JH7's is styled for low low flight---the JF17 is not a low flying aircraft---and neither is the F16 or the SU series---.

The F111 was the most feared aircraft by the russians---because they could not find it---. It was the ultimate low flight capable aircraft---the JH7 is a true copy of that aircraft minus the swing wings---.

Many thoughtless posters post over here that it was tested and rejected 30 years ago---. These fools don't realize that new modern standoff strike weapons have given new life to aircraft like the JH7's---.

If they did not---the world number one air force---the USAF would not have upgraded their 50 years old B52 bombers for these new tasks---to launch these weapons. And these weapons would be launched from this aircraft either thru their own mechanism or thru the assistance of stealth or surveillance aircraft---.


You have to ask a question---in weapons systems---why do americans succeed where others fail.

Their re-furbishment of the B52's to launch these modern weapons is a marvel of a modern war fighting machine---. The ability to use the B1 bombers as BVR trucks by the 5th gen aircraft is an out of the box thinking---.

That is what Pakistan needs---. It has an enemy 5 times its size and multiple times of resource---.

Mastan Sb,
It appears to me from your description that you are asking for the aircraft called Rafale
But, realistically speaking, to fulfill the requirement for a terrain hugging strike aircraft in terms of a procurement that was financially viable and industrially beneficial, Pakistan lost a golden opportunity to procure the very aircraft that would have satisfied you, the Mirage F1. An entire fleet could have been had for peanuts, and the mirage rebuild factory could have really put its hard-won experience to good use with this aircraft.

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com...g-22-ex-spanish-air-force-mirage-f1-fighters/
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...rage-f1m-destined-for-advanced-aggressor-duty
https://theaviationgeekclub.com/atac-bought-63-mirage-f1-fighter-jets/

 

[Maxpane]

 

[Nasr]

We South Asians suck at creativity View attachment 530299

Dunno about South Asians, but we Pakistanis are pretty creative (Alhumdulillah), as I recall, Pakistan Air Force won the Royal Air International Tattoo with magnificent artwork on our C-130s.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dunno about South Asians, but we Pakistanis are pretty creative (Alhumdulillah), as I recall, Pakistan Air Force won the Royal Air International Tattoo with magnificent artwork on our C-130s.

We have been winning it for several years now.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Hi,

There is no reason for a twin engine JF17---. It already exists---it is called J31----.

Now---if you want a stealth single engine---that I can understand---.

But that twin engine does not serve the same purpose as a JH7A. The JH7 can carry a very heavy load---plus it has a long flight radius---. If it can be modified to be refuelled in air---that woud be a massive force multiplier---.

A twin engine JF17 cannot carry that load---.

The most important aspect of the JH7A engine and its design is its low low flying capability plus its heavy load carrying capacity---thru its flight plan---which is a must for strike over the ocean targets---or targets on the surface of the ocean...

One of our BANNED bangladeshi colleague had done some research on why I am in favor of the JH7A came up with a wonderful / knowledgeable article on the subject matter---which I presume went over the heads of majority of the readers---.

Low flight comsumes a lots of fuel---the JH7's engines were designed for that very purpose---where they were most efficient---. The wing design of the JH7's is styled for low low flight---the JF17 is not a low flying aircraft---and neither is the F16 or the SU series---.

The F111 was the most feared aircraft by the russians---because they could not find it---. It was the ultimate low flight capable aircraft---the JH7 is a true copy of that aircraft minus the swing wings---.

Many thoughtless posters post over here that it was tested and rejected 30 years ago---. These fools don't realize that new modern standoff strike weapons have given new life to aircraft like the JH7's---.

If they did not---the world number one air force---the USAF would not have upgraded their 50 years old B52 bombers for these new tasks---to launch these weapons. And these weapons would be launched from this aircraft either thru their own mechanism or thru the assistance of stealth or surveillance aircraft---.


You have to ask a question---in weapons systems---why do americans succeed where others fail.

Their re-furbishment of the B52's to launch these modern weapons is a marvel of a modern war fighting machine---. The ability to use the B1 bombers as BVR trucks by the 5th gen aircraft is an out of the box thinking---.

That is what Pakistan needs---. It has an enemy 5 times its size and multiple times of resource---.

There were news of JH7B, which was supposed to have aerial refueling capability. However it was abandoned in favor of flankers. So maybe what Pak can do is acquire a couple squadrons of secondhand JH7s as China phases them out over time and pay for minor upgrades to extend the life. Between the remaining life in Mirages and then aferwards acquiring these second hand JH7s and using those for about 10, 15 years...
...this approach could work until Azm is about ready to roll out.

 

[araz]

There were news of JH7B, which was supposed to have aerial refueling capability. However it was abandoned in favor of flankers. So maybe what Pak can do is acquire a couple squadrons of secondhand JH7s as China phases them out over time and pay for minor upgrades to extend the life. Between the remaining life in Mirages and then aferwards acquiring these second hand JH7s and using those for about 10, 15 years...
...this approach could work until Azm is about ready to roll out.

What PAF might want to do is buy 2-3 squadrons of J11 series. This is more likely than trying to bring a dead horse to life. The JH7 is dead long live JH7.

 

[LKJ86]

What PAF might want to do is buy 2-3 squadrons of J11 series.

Basically impossible. Maybe Su-35 or Su-30?

 

[Cookie Monster]

What PAF might want to do is buy 2-3 squadrons of J11 series. This is more likely than trying to bring a dead horse to life. The JH7 is dead long live JH7.

I was just thinking along the lines of JH7 as per Mastan's suggestion of a low flying jet for strike role. JH7's engine were based on the Spey engine made specifically for low flying, this low flying ability has its advantages to avoid radar detection. I do agree that JH7 is quite old and the Chinese have moved on. Though they might have chosen J11 over continuing with JH7 bcuz of a different doctrine, this doesn't necessarily mean Pak has no need for such a jet as JH7. However JH7 production line has ceased, which does close the door on Pak in terms of acquiring a jet for the specific purpose of low flying strike role.

 

[Readerdefence]

Basically impossible. Maybe Su-35 or Su-30?

Hi LKJ86 why is it impossible if due to Russian factor there is always something for Russians
Also in this or any future deal you know what I mean as china can buy or they are buying su35
And always provision of using Russian engines in j11
But what I read is even j11b is not comparable to MKI as a bomb or missile truck wise
Any info on that please
What’s your intake on aligning Russians through China if PAF is looking for these fighters
Thank you

 

[LKJ86]

However JH7 production line has ceased, which does close the door on Pak in terms of acquiring a jet for the specific purpose of low flying strike role.

You are wrong. JH-7E was showed in Zhuhai Airshow-2018.

 

[Cookie Monster]

You are wrong. JH-7E was showed in Zhuhai Airshow-2018.

China Seeking To Offload Surplus Military Aircraft
by Vladimir Karnozov
- November 28, 2018, 10:38 AM

China is intent on selling off a number of technologically advanced aircraft, including radar platforms and interdiction and attack aircraft that apparently have fallen short of People’s Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) expectations after just a few years of operational service. After being decommissioned, the aircraft have been handed over to Poly Technologies, a company licensed by the government, for rework into exportable versions and subsequent release to would-be foreign clients.

During the 12th China International Aviation & Aerospace Exhibition, better known as Airshow China 2018, held earlier this month in Zhuhai, the company had a large outdoor exhibition to showcase its wares. Large-format banners and posters were devoted to the KJ-200, JH-7, A-5, J-7, and K-8, describing them as decommissioned equipment available to interested foreign countries after repair, upgrade, and rebuild.

While the Chengdu J-7 and Hongdu A-5 and K-8 have been in PLAAF service for many years and are considered obsolete, the KJ-200 and JH-7 represent modern and still highly capable aircraft. Most intriguing is the offer of the Shaanxi KJ-200 airborne early warning aircraft, which entered PLAAF service as recently as 2009. Based on the platform of the Shaanxi Y-8, a localized Antonov An-12 transport, the KJ-200 features a large active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar mounted above the fuselage in a manner resembling the Saab Erieye. According to Poly Technologies, the system can detect, identify, and track aerial and seagoing targets with a compensation for ground clutter, and provides situational awareness, command, and control functions.

It seems that a handful of KJ-200s have become redundant after the more advanced KJ-500, based on the evolved Y-9 platform, became operational in 2015. While similar in dimensions, the newer 65-tonne-gross weight aircraft is attributed to the next generation and differs in having a non-rotating circular dome with three AESA arrays in place of the KJ-200’s balanced beam antenna.

Poly Technologies is also promoting the Shenyang JH-7 interdiction aircraft that has had a production run of some 270 copies, most of which remain operable. Developed in the 1980s, the initial version gave ground for development of the far more advanced JH-7А, which became operational in 2004. Apart from being China’s first computer-aided design, the 28.5-tonne jet featured a glass cockpit and digital fly-by-wire flight control system. Most of the earlier airframes were upgraded to the JH-7A standard.

Poly Technologies describes the aircraft as a twin-engine, tandem-seat, supersonic fighter-bomber able to carry a bombload of up to 6.5 tonnes and capable of long-range strikes with precision-guided munitions. The type was briefly marketed for export as the FBC-1 Flying Leopard, but all production examples went to the PLAAF and PLANAF (Chinese naval aviation). Now, with Shenyang having mastered production of the Sukhoi Su-30 twin-seat multirole fighter as the J-16, the JH-7A is being phased out and thus has become available for export.
https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-...ina-seeking-offload-surplus-military-aircraft

 

[LKJ86]

Hi LKJ86 why is it impossible if due to Russian factor there is always something for Russians
Also in this or any future deal you know what I mean as china can buy or they are buying su35
And always provision of using Russian engines in j11
But what I read is even j11b is not comparable to MKI as a bomb or missile truck wise
Any info on that please
What’s your intake on aligning Russians through China if PAF is looking for these fighters
Thank you

1). J-11 family fighters includes J-11, J-11A, J-11B, J-11BS, J-16, and so on. Their relationship is as follows:
Su-27SK -> J-11 -> J-11A -> J-11B -> J-11D
Su-27UBK -> J-11BS -> J-16
In PLAAF, J-16 plays the role as a bomb or missile truck, and also beats J-10C in "Golden Helmet"-2018 air combat competition.

2). There are only J-11B, J-16, and J-15 in production now. J-11B and J-16 use nothing from Russia, including engines and ammunition.

3). PLAAF buys Su-35SK, basically due to its engines. China always has a two-track strategy.

4). If Pakistan buys J-11 family fighters, Russia can get nothing from the deal.