JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 7]

[salman-1]

105kn means it's 23625lbs of thrust. Which I think is not the case, as the Rd-33mk is the latest version of Rd series engine made with modern materials and is rated at max 98kn which comes out to be22000lbs of thrust and 4000 hrs of life span.

 

[Hassan Guy]

105kn means it's 23625lbs of thrust. Which I think is not the case, as the Rd-33mk is the latest version of Rd series engine made with modern materials and is rated at max 98kn which comes out to be22000lbs of thrust and 4000 hrs of life span.

block 3 needs rd-33mk

 

[khanasifm]

The cost for Rd-93 may also include additional cost for tools/spare part etc so just dividing total cost by number engines may give you inflated price guessing here plus approx 3 million price is from early 2000s and this is 2016/17 inflation etc also need to be factored f100 cost more than 10/15 million so this is 1/4 of the price bottomline per paf latest history book jf-17 target price for paf was 10 million, 3 for engine l, 3 for avionics and 4 million for structure this was initial target in 1990s before it got delayed due to non availability of western avionics fly away cost for jf sold to first customer is 16 million so 16x16 for just aircraft and remaining part of 560 million total cover spares, weapons, training etc

 

[Sine Nomine]

105kn means it's 23625lbs of thrust. Which I think is not the case, as the Rd-33mk is the latest version of Rd series engine made with modern materials and is rated at max 98kn which comes out to be22000lbs of thrust and 4000 hrs of life span.

RD-33mk Was first spotted a decade a go,and at Chinese Air show Russians already showed JFT Engine is rated at 95kn as compared to baseline model at 80 or 89.
They long time ago hinted about possible derivation of RD33mk engine.

 

[HRK]

per paf latest history book jf-17 target price for paf was 10 million, 3 for engine l, 3 for avionics and 4 million for structure this was initial target in 1990s before it got delayed due to non availability of western avionics fly away cost for jf sold to first customer is 16 million so 16x16 for just aircraft and remaining part of 560 million total cover spares, weapons, training etc

Is it possible for you to attach the screenshot of the relevant part, it will be interesting to read

 

[khanasifm]

There is lots of other details you would need to
Buy the book ask any paf officer to get a copy for you from book club

The second part is available online by Janes

 

[Muhammad Omar]

How Many JF-17B Dual Seats are planned to be inducted by PAF????

 

[MastanKhan]

How Many JF-17B Dual Seats are planned to be inducted by PAF????

Hi,

Once the aircraft becomes operative---the numbers will depend on the utility and mindset of the Paf ACM---.

 

[Tempest II]

WS-13. From CDF

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

Once the aircraft becomes operative---the numbers will depend on the utility and mindset of the Paf ACM---.

ACM is the decision maker to an extent, like any CEO he has a team feeding into him. The question then lies with the integrity of those individuals; are they well versed in their task- or have they climbed the ladder bootlicking their way with "yes sir". Did these men sell their souls out early during a stint at Luke AFB or did they sell it out later to the local representative for Northrop Grumman or Siemens?

Finally, even if they made all the way to the top via integrity; do they respect the chief as a person enough to offer him advice or will a personal vendetta take over at thia stage

Many officers of today cite the team built around ACM Mushaf as of the finest they ever knew of in recent years.
We'll never know the results had those officers been leading the PAF today what could have been the result; but its safe to say that some of them were those that had during the sanction years ensured that the F-16s would fly, who arm twisted their way into getting contacts with Israel and who looked F-14s in the eye over the Arabian sea in generally sitting duck mirages and got them to back off..

There are many "heroes" out there on talk shows who have made their moneies via the militaries favorite corruption channel in land deals.. and there are many who rebelled and left early who knew flying and fighting.

But then, such integrity issues plague many forces all over the globe.

The JF-17B numbers are decided by these men, some with knowledge and training gained from all over the globe who know how to fight and train. Others armed with charts and numbers who can do no more than slap a smart salite and agree with their superior.

Who wins, decides not just numbers of fighters but how well we do in an actual conflict

RD93 is a work horse. The new engine is rated @ min 105 KN. Wait for official.

That would be pushing the life of fhe engine, if it could do that safely; it is a wonder why Klimov has not pushed it for the remiander of the RD-33 variants its pushing??

 

[MastanKhan]

ACM is the decision maker to an extent, like any CEO he has a team feeding into him. The question then lies with the integrity of those individuals; are they well versed in their task- or have they climbed the ladder bootlicking their way with "yes sir". Did these men sell their souls out early during a stint at Luke AFB or did they sell it out later to the local representative for Northrop Grumman or Siemens?

Finally, even if they made all the way to the top via integrity; do they respect the chief as a person enough to offer him advice or will a personal vendetta take over at thia stage

Many officers of today cite the team built around ACM Mushaf as of the finest they ever knew of in recent years.
We'll never know the results had those officers been leading the PAF today what could have been the result; but its safe to say that some of them were those that had during the sanction years ensured that the F-16s would fly, who arm twisted their way into getting contacts with Israel and who looked F-14s in the eye over the Arabian sea in generally sitting duck mirages and got them to back off..

There are many "heroes" out there on talk shows who have made their moneies via the militaries favorite corruption channel in land deals.. and there are many who rebelled and left early who knew flying and fighting.

But then, such integrity issues plague many forces all over the globe.

The JF-17B numbers are decided by these men, some with knowledge and training gained from all over the globe who know how to fight and train. Others armed with charts and numbers who can do no more than slap a smart salite and agree with their superior.

Who wins, decides not just numbers of fighters but how well we do in an actual conflict

Hi,

Keeping in mind my personal experiences and also historical precedence---I would not mind a reasonable bribe---as long as the weapon was procured in a timely manner---the weapon was a potent weapon and was the best possible available under the circumstances.

After the deal has been done---money exchanged---weapons delivered---then they can be pursued.

I mean to say---our nuc program is full of kick backs and bakhsheesh---our agosta 90 the same---but it was a great weapons system when it got introduced---.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Which Tomcats were they? Iranians? and when did that happen?

ACM is the decision maker to an extent, like any CEO he has a team feeding into him. The question then lies with the integrity of those individuals; are they well versed in their task- or have they climbed the ladder bootlicking their way with "yes sir". Did these men sell their souls out early during a stint at Luke AFB or did they sell it out later to the local representative for Northrop Grumman or Siemens?

Finally, even if they made all the way to the top via integrity; do they respect the chief as a person enough to offer him advice or will a personal vendetta take over at thia stage

Many officers of today cite the team built around ACM Mushaf as of the finest they ever knew of in recent years.
We'll never know the results had those officers been leading the PAF today what could have been the result; but its safe to say that some of them were those that had during the sanction years ensured that the F-16s would fly, who arm twisted their way into getting contacts with Israel and who looked F-14s in the eye over the Arabian sea in generally sitting duck mirages and got them to back off..

There are many "heroes" out there on talk shows who have made their moneies via the militaries favorite corruption channel in land deals.. and there are many who rebelled and left early who knew flying and fighting.

But then, such integrity issues plague many forces all over the globe.

The JF-17B numbers are decided by these men, some with knowledge and training gained from all over the globe who know how to fight and train. Others armed with charts and numbers who can do no more than slap a smart salite and agree with their superior.

Who wins, decides not just numbers of fighters but how well we do in an actual conflict


That would be pushing the life of fhe engine, if it could do that safely; it is a wonder why Klimov has not pushed it for the remiander of the RD-33 variants its pushing??

 

[SQ8]

Hi,

Keeping in mind my personal experiences and also historical precedence---I would not mind a reasonable bribe---as long as the weapon was procured in a timely manner---the weapon was a potent weapon and was the best possible available under the circumstances.

After the deal has been done---money exchanged---weapons delivered---then they can be pursued.

I mean to say---our nuc program is full of kick backs and bakhsheesh---our agosta 90 the same---but it was a great weapons system when it got introduced---.

The nuc program is a black hole, and many times good equipment was NOT procured.

Bribes are good if we can afford it, it has to be a cost effective bribe if we can only procure enough equipment to make that price worthwhile


Here the probkem is that greed knows no boundsz

Which Tomcats were they? Iranians? and when did that happen?

USN- 93 or 94 I think.
There is even a video of a tomcat cruise where the pilots have a "f**k Pakistan" placard up because its likely those two were on the recieving end of a mirage maneuver

Which Tomcats were they? Iranians? and when did that happen?

4:23... you'll spot it

 

[Thorough Pro]

Thanks, I was searching for it for the last one hour and couldn't find it.

The nuc program is a black hole, and many times good equipment was NOT procured.

Bribes are good if we can afford it, it has to be a cost effective bribe if we can only procure enough equipment to make that price worthwhile


Here the probkem is that greed knows no boundsz


USN- 93 or 94 I think.
There is even a video of a tomcat cruise where the pilots have a "f**k Pakistan" placard up because its likely those two were on the recieving end of a mirage maneuver


4:23... you'll spot it

 

[khanasifm]

The nuc program is a black hole, and many times good equipment was NOT procured.

Bribes are good if we can afford it, it has to be a cost effective bribe if we can only procure enough equipment to make that price worthwhile


Here the probkem is that greed knows no boundsz


USN- 93 or 94 I think.
There is even a video of a tomcat cruise where the pilots have a "f**k Pakistan" placard up because its likely those two were on the recieving end of a mirage maneuver


4:23... you'll spot it

Most probably the photo is photoshop, professional do not display such cards, it's not a indo pak forum discussion where profanity is common place getting shot down in exercise is common and a lesson up on which one can improve

Exercises are meant for it so when west/east German mig 29 shot other NATO pilots in an exercise it is not a expected professional behaviour