JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[The SC]

I think during JF-17 development planing most emphasize where only for fulfilling PAF requirement for a low cost sanction proof yet capable BVR fighter then a answer for a low cost alternative for other countries requirement. if they really consider export as a option they should developed a duel seat version simultaneously . why a third world countries would like to put a newly trained pilot to their most advance fighter plane without giving him a real test of this fighter with a experience co pilot before letting him a solo flight.

Maybe a simulator will do!

 

[The SC]

Hi,

It has taken a long time for paf to learn that---people buy what they want and not what paf sells---people want options and they want a test drive---how can you give someone a test drive in a single seater!!!!!!!

Only a single seater---it was a terrible decision by paf---amongst many---. It was basically an incomplete package right from day one---if they had offered a twin seater right from the gitgo---they could have been sitting on an order package of 250 + planes by now---.

Remember---it is not about the STEAK---it is about the SIZZLE----when the meat is cooking on the fire and you see it sizzle and those aromatic smells spreading everywhere---that creates the excitement----.

Nice answer! Mouth watering metaphor, still you need someone looking at it while sizzling. It is exactly what PAF has done, 'cause you can see the aromatic smells spreading everywhere...
I think a simulator will do the trick, but not sure about it. Even the RAFALE with best of stuff and twin seat demonstrators IS NOT SOLD YET !!! This is a monopolized market with two dominant sellers, the US and Russia, Europe got the GCC opportunity only after the US refused to sell its best fighters to the Arabs in the '70s and '80s (AWACS had no match at that time and F-15s then were replaced by the British Tornado), France had its ex-colonies market share. China is a medium player in this field, it has yet to become a major player.
Many other nations excluding Europeans have built small local warplanes to international standards, but none has ever got any close international attention as we see with the JF-17. This is a fighter-plane being talked about on every major media defense sites... I was just reading a long comprehensive article about stealth aircrafts history and design - including all major ones like the F-22, F-35 and the PAKFA -, and guess what!, at the end of it they were recommending the JF-17 as the ideal optimized design for a stealth fighter aircraft with budget considerations, even for the rich nations. And they have said that the FC-31 might just be the outcome of that idea if its price can be controlled. The main lesson in this recommendation is that the JF-17 has the POTENTIAL to become a game changer if a stealth version of it is designed and produced with relatively low cost.

Can you enlarge this picture?

“We have received orders from four countries in the Middle East and Africa for at least a squadron each of the plane,” said Mr. Hussain.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/****...1179732792715064836904580318421296694054.html

That is about 100 JF-17s ordered for export...

 

[Zarvan]

Guys today is 15th December and 16 more days are left in this month will we really see 5 Block II Planes this month

 

[RAMPAGE]

That is about 100 JF-17s ordered for export...

Bullshit!

@Horus

That true?

 

[Sine Nomine]

The main lesson in this recommendation is that the JF-17 has the POTENTIAL to become a game changer if a stealth version of it is designed and produced with relatively low cost.

If it has been so then there would have been no F-22,F-35,J-31,J-20 and T-50 it not easy and good approach but still fighter with low rcs and internal weapon bay can be derived from Jf-17 to accompany J-31 in future.

 

[monitor]

Maybe a simulator will do!

But simulator will not give the real stress a fighter pilot feel when he is in a plane because he knows whatever happened and happening is not real .

 

[The SC]

If it has been so then there would have been no F-22,F-35,J-31,J-20 and T-50 it not easy and good approach but still fighter with low rcs and internal weapon bay can be derived from Jf-17 to accompany J-31 in future.

It was mostly about the price...

But simulator will not give the real stress a fighter pilot feel when he is in a plane because he knows whatever happened and happening is not real .

If the interest goes beyond curiosity... then their pilots can be trained o the JF-17 like the Pakistanis did themselves, since they didn't have twin seats either.

 

[skybolt]

 

[monitor]

Just found from 2013
India's Air Chief Marshall, claims JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter

India's Chief of Air Staff, Arup Raha, suggests that the JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter. Developed by Chinese and Pakistani aviation firms, the JF-17 is believed to be a 4th generation fighter comparable to the US F-16. Raha however has dismissed this claims, producing photographic evidence that the JF-17 has existed since 1971.
"We have photographic evidence that the JF-17 was used in the 1971 war where it was likely undergoing live tests. Our fighters were unable to destroy the aircraft. Pakistan has kept the aircraft secret since then and only recently returned it to service"
Raha believes that the JF-17 was built not with Chinese assistance but with American help via Northrop.

"the JF-17 was derived from the American F-5. Pakistan has recently updated their aircraft to modern standards"

http://www.eenadu.net/news/bnewsitem...=business&no=3

 

[sathya]

Just found from 2013
India's Air Chief Marshall, claims JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter

India's Chief of Air Staff, Arup Raha, suggests that the JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter. Developed by Chinese and Pakistani aviation firms, the JF-17 is believed to be a 4th generation fighter comparable to the US F-16. Raha however has dismissed this claims, producing photographic evidence that the JF-17 has existed since 1971.
"We have photographic evidence that the JF-17 was used in the 1971 war where it was likely undergoing live tests. Our fighters were unable to destroy the aircraft. Pakistan has kept the aircraft secret since then and only recently returned it to service"
Raha believes that the JF-17 was built not with Chinese assistance but with American help via Northrop.

"the JF-17 was derived from the American F-5. Pakistan has recently updated their aircraft to modern standards"

http://www.eenadu.net/news/bnewsitem...=business&no=3

Thank god ..
Now guys won't make fun of tejas as Mig 21+++ aircraft! quoting indian air chief..

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Just found from 2013
India's Air Chief Marshall, claims JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter

India's Chief of Air Staff, Arup Raha, suggests that the JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter. Developed by Chinese and Pakistani aviation firms, the JF-17 is believed to be a 4th generation fighter comparable to the US F-16. Raha however has dismissed this claims, producing photographic evidence that the JF-17 has existed since 1971.
"We have photographic evidence that the JF-17 was used in the 1971 war where it was likely undergoing live tests. Our fighters were unable to destroy the aircraft. Pakistan has kept the aircraft secret since then and only recently returned it to service"
Raha believes that the JF-17 was built not with Chinese assistance but with American help via Northrop.



they must have video documentary evidence as well

http://www.eenadu.net/news/bnewsitem...=business&no=3

hahahahha that's cool man

the only project with nothrop grumman was to upograde the F7 to 4th generation fighter jet with which was abandoned due to sanctions on Pakistan

 

[Areesh]

hahahahha that's cool man

the only project with nothrop grumman was to upograde the F7 to 4th generation fighter jet with which was abandoned due to sanctions on Pakistan

Looks like some tamil satire or some sh!!ty news source. Even though he is a chief of an organization like IAF, despite that I expect much better from him.

 

[VCheng]

hahahahha that's cool man

the only project with nothrop grumman was to upograde the F7 to 4th generation fighter jet with which was abandoned due to sanctions on Pakistan

Compare the specifications of the F-17 Thunder and the F-20 Tigershark and you might see how close they are in performance airframe wise, save for the updated electronics of course.

 

[Sulman Badshah]

Just found from 2013
India's Air Chief Marshall, claims JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter

India's Chief of Air Staff, Arup Raha, suggests that the JF-17 is a 2nd generation fighter. Developed by Chinese and Pakistani aviation firms, the JF-17 is believed to be a 4th generation fighter comparable to the US F-16. Raha however has dismissed this claims, producing photographic evidence that the JF-17 has existed since 1971.
"We have photographic evidence that the JF-17 was used in the 1971 war where it was likely undergoing live tests. Our fighters were unable to destroy the aircraft. Pakistan has kept the aircraft secret since then and only recently returned it to service"
Raha believes that the JF-17 was built not with Chinese assistance but with American help via Northrop.

"the JF-17 was derived from the American F-5. Pakistan has recently updated their aircraft to modern standards"

http://www.eenadu.net/news/bnewsitem...=business&no=3

and link isn't working as well

 

[monitor]

Thank god ..
Now guys won't make fun of tejas as Mig 21+++ aircraft! quoting indian air chief..

I heard in national, geography television program one of the engineer of tejaj compare it with better then mirage 2000 if i am not wrong.

and link isn't working as well

copy from key publishing forum it may be April fool/jokes from IAF chief