JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

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Chief of Nigerian Air force visits PAC in picture it seems 3 JF-17 under construction

 

[Sulman Badshah]

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Chief of Nigerian Air force visits PAC in picture it seems 3 JF-17 under construction

Three from this Camera Angle

 

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan @orangzaib both guys put some serious issues here ... but i think you both are escalating things a bit more than it really are ..... why on the first hand you guys believe that PAF dont want to equip themselves with some high class heavy fighters ?? the problem is that where is the funds ?
when PAF gets 13 f-16 from Jordan i support that decision and said that we should ask Americans to give us remaining blk 52 F-16s , 18 more blk52 will be a huge boost to our defense capabiities in both air superiority and BVR ... now we can not just fully relay on Fighters or are we ?? what about a proper 3 layer Air defense system ?? do we even have a proper defense system ?? the only potent SAMS we have are Spada 2000 ... but what about med and long range ?
Mastan you are keep talking about releasing of Shakil afridi and get whatever you want from US . man its not that simple .. you know that US give goodies with many string attached to it .... heavy fighter are need of the time but how and from where ?? Chinese are the emerging Weapon industry .. and what make you even think that they will give you j-11 or 16's on lease or loans ..
arnt we getting a lot from them already ??? look at the navy getting subs , who is going to pay for the 6 subs of undisclosed type ?!

if you see that even today we are not allowed to use the f-16's as we want or to hanger them in the base of our likes ...why ??
US is leaving the region and for now they dont really give a Damn about Pakistan, India on the other side is emerging economy and a possible market for thousands of american products .. they are simply stand with them in case of any future conflict .. US today sell anything lethal to Pak , tomorrow you will see a possible reaction from India in USA ...

back on topic the best bet for pak is to gather used F-16 and mled them ... another option can be UAE ex mirage 2ks , but again will it be possible ?? and what about the funds ?? if we ask for our favors to our arab brother they will want something in return ... and for Orangzaib , as you mentioned that PAF should try to get aging f-15s ...man common seriously ... dont you even know your own GOVT ??? and how you even think that USA will allow such fighter to sell in PAF .

Jf is a project which may seems a bit weak for now but it has potential to absorb certain tech from world .. and eventually by time it will get better ... the only thing we require is to make them in numbers as fast as we can ...PAF has today very limited options to buy ....for example have a look at our navy ... in any possible full scale war, our navy cant stand 24 hours in front of IN ... and not to mentioned the Air wing of IN based on Mig29k's and mirage ..

wish list for PAf is long , they might even understand the danger emerges from out eastern border but the problem is that their hands are empty ... they dont have much resources.. even if they have ..i would prefer to go for some SAMS from China ..they re much more needed for the time .. and also get some F-16s upgrade them to MLU , if uncle sam is ready to give ...or else we have no option but to use words to scare the Indians off

Hi,

When we sell the JF 17 to another nation---we will have the SAME RESTRICTIONS as the u s has on Pakistan----. We can use the F 16's any which way we want to and when we want to---no restrictions.

The JF and J 10 project will get stronger---no doubt----but the paf problem is a NOW problem---. The military seriously needs a true long rage SA missile system.

Funds!!!!!-----if you can find a way to arm yourself to protect your household---then you can find ways to do the same for the nation. You have a carte blanche in the for of Dr Afridi---. There is time to cash the credit---none better than now.

If pockets are empty---then go and kill all the terrorists indiscriminately---and don't warn them that you are coming---- and start with a marketing and sales campaign to sell the ideology confronting what the Taliban are saying.

 

[graphican]

This pic shows more than 2 thunders being manufactured.
we knew that only 2 are under construction. @Horus

we can see two thunders on the front and I tend to presume there would be 2 on this side. That means total 4 aircraft are being built simultaneously. If one set takes 2 months to complete, we can have 24 birds a year.

 

[LonE_WolF]

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we can see two thunders on the front and I tend to presume there would be 2 on this side. That means total 4 aircraft are being built simultaneously. If one set takes 2 months to complete, we can have 24 birds a year.

picture shows in the foreground a label last two digits as number 10

 

[syed_yusuf]

the first 2

201 and 202 are in final testing out of the assembly

it seems like there are more under production

203,4,5,6,7,8,9 and 210; the picture is of 210

so it measn that by appx. next june PAF will have 10 blk2 JF-17s

 

[SBD-3]

Hi,

When we sell the JF 17 to another nation---we will have the SAME RESTRICTIONS as the u s has on Pakistan----. We can use the F 16's any which way we want to and when we want to---no restrictions.

Well what restrictions can there be? Once an asset changes hands, seller has little control except trusting the good will of buyer. Plus like I said before, in today's world, you can't really keep things a secret, not for long. There are a lot of ways to sniff information regarding weapons and systems. The only deterrence is the quality, you build quality weapon systems, everybody knows you're not the one to be messed with. The most valuable offensive assets of fighter jet are its weapons system. Yes you may sell systems behind your own in capabilities but this is a case more suitable for US, may be Russia (Because history has shown they would eventually sell anything for money) and now may be China. Countries like Pakistan don't have such luxury and space because they are the small fish in the pond.

The JF and J 10 project will get stronger---no doubt----but the paf problem is a NOW problem---. The military seriously needs a true long rage SA missile system.

I think threat perception of being "Now" is slightly overblown. You need some solid grounds or a startling chain of events leading to the start of a conflict. That's why I put a lot of emphasis on the use of diplomacy for yielding peace dividend. Lets face it, until the economy doesn't pick up, the "Now" problem will always prevail. Peace for progress is necessary for not having this "Now" problem in future.

Funds!!!!!-----if you can find a way to arm yourself to protect your household---then you can find ways to do the same for the nation. You have a carte blanche in the for of Dr Afridi---. There is time to cash the credit---none better than now.

Ah we did do so by selling thousands of AQ operatives to US but the "Now" problem still looms over our heads. We can print a lot of money at will, just like Germany did in WWII. But the consequences will be the same. Unless we don't have adequate stock of wealth (FX reserves and Fiscal space), every fix will lead to another disaster.

If pockets are empty---then go and kill all the terrorists indiscriminately---and don't warn them that you are coming---- and start with a marketing and sales campaign to sell the ideology confronting what the Taliban are saying.

For all of these, again you need funds......

 

[MastanKhan]

Well what restrictions can there be? Once an asset changes hands, seller has little control except trusting the good will of buyer. Plus like I said before, in today's world, you can't really keep things a secret, not for long. There are a lot of ways to sniff information regarding weapons and systems. The only deterrence is the quality, you build quality weapon systems, everybody knows you're not the one to be messed with. The most valuable offensive assets of fighter jet are its weapons system. Yes you may sell systems behind your own in capabilities but this is a case more suitable for US, may be Russia (Because history has shown they would eventually sell anything for money) and now may be China. Countries like Pakistan don't have such luxury and space because they are the small fish in the pond.


I think threat perception of being "Now" is slightly overblown. You need some solid grounds or a startling chain of events leading to the start of a conflict. That's why I put a lot of emphasis on the use of diplomacy for yielding peace dividend. Lets face it, until the economy doesn't pick up, the "Now" problem will always prevail. Peace for progress is necessary for not having this "Now" problem in future.


Ah we did do so by selling thousands of AQ operatives to US but the "Now" problem still looms over our heads. We can print a lot of money at will, just like Germany did in WWII. But the consequences will be the same. Unless we don't have adequate stock of wealth (FX reserves and Fiscal space), every fix will lead to another disaster.


For all of these, again you need funds......

Senor,

The NOW threat is never ever over blown----look at china right now---it is pissing ice cubes right now----the NOW threat has them in a great concern----calm and docile neighbors have suddenly stood up----a weak enemy---india---suddenly is showing threat---offering weapons to mutual enemy openly----.

On the surface it is okay---but inside china is in a panic---if it takes one enemy on---the others know that they have to join hands and strike at the same time. China does not have anything to counter all of them at the same time

By the time the chain of event starts---it is years too late to have new procurement----. The last 20 plus years should have been an eye opener for you and all the Pakistanis----it is a sad tragedy that you are asleep----if you cannot see it does not mean that it does not exist.

You still have a carte blanche in hand----.

 

[dexter]

American F-15 fighter pilot sits in JF-17 Thunder fighter.

 

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[Max Pain]

ROSE upgraded mirages should be included into bvr launching platforms.

ROSE upgraded mirages should be included into the Barnyard once the JF-17 has replaced them,their era is gone *period*

 

[Dazzler]

ROSE upgraded mirages should be included into the Barnyard once the JF-17 has replaced them,their era is gone *period*

ROSE mirages are decent uogrades and most of them have some life left hence the upgrades. I dont see them being replaced before 2020, older airframes, the sooner the better.

 

[Max Pain]

ROSE mirages are decent uogrades and most of them have some life left hence the upgrades. I dont see them being replaced before 2020, older airframes, the sooner the better.

we should not spend any more cash on integration of BVR weapons on these mirages.
their day has gone,
even the Mirage 2000's have had their day, let alone Mirage III/V

 

[salman-1]

Mirages are the only ready strike air crafts after F-16's and they are in sufficient numbers too, As-30 french laser guided bomb is a battle proven weapon. Our ex Australian mirages and few other rose II mirages can fire them from 15000 ft. F-16's have multi tasks and wont be always ready in war for strike mission. Mirages will only be used for strike.

LT-2 may be integrated with JF-17 but not declared clear by PAF.

 

[Thorough Pro]

what's a barnyard? a new squadron?

ROSE upgraded mirages should be included into the Barnyard once the JF-17 has replaced them,their era is gone *period*