JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 6]

[khanasifm]

http://www.janes.com/article/57508/jf-17-block-ii-advances-with-new-refuelling-probe

An unconfirmed report published on 24 January on China's Sina.com website noted that Pakistan's indigenous 350 km range, optionally nuclear-armed Ra'ad (Thunder) air-launched cruise missile had been launched from a JF-17. The most recent test of the Ra'ad occurred on 19 January, but Pakistani reports did not mention the Ra'ad having been launched by a JF-17, even though this weapon has long been scheduled for JF-17 integration.

NATO STD

http://www.japcc.org/wp-content/uploads/ATP-3.3.4.2_Ed_C_Ver_1_Air-to-Air_Refuelling.pdf

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...sg=AFQjCNGwgLqvdyWrqPLj8wGBYLENOXIr-g&cad=rja

 

[Myth_buster_1]

JF 17 papa

Here is your LCA papa

Piranha was a light combt fighter concept by dr Georges Bridel who also contributed in development of LCA.

here is MBB early design

 

[fatman17]

Air Platforms

JF-17 Block II advances with new refuelling probe

Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

27 January 2016

The first image of a new Chengdu-designed refuelling probe on the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation FC-1/JF-17 fighter seen on the CAC airfield in late January.

Images revealed on Chinese websites on 23 January indicate the Chengdu Aircraft Corporation (CAC) FC-1 export fighter - co-developed with Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, which calls it the JF-17 Thunder - is advancing into a 'Block II' development and reportedly testing new weapons.

New images of an FC-1 at the CAC airfield with port number 229 show the first employment of an apparently Chinese-designed aerial refuelling probe: an important feature of the JF-17 Block II version. The probe features a streamlined tube, is located below the aircraft's cockpit canopy frame and may be detachable.

Chinese reports indicate the refuelling probe design will be used by the Block II version of the FC-1/JF-17. However, this is not yet confirmed as the Chinese-designed refuelling probe differs from an initial version first seen on a JF-17 in Pakistan in late 2013. This previous design was entirely cylindrical and its shape and placement just behind the canopy frame indicate there was probably design assistance from Denel Aviation of South Africa. Denel, formerly Atlas Aviation, has previously assisted with outfitting some Pakistani Mirage III fighters with refuelling probes.

An earlier JF-17 refuelling probe design revealed in Pakistan in late 2013 was probably achieved with assistance from South Africa.

Other images that appeared on Chinese websites in late January showed the new refueling probe-modified FC-1 in flight testing on an unknown but likely recent date. The Block II JF-17 will also feature a Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics and Technology (NRIET) KLJ-7 V2 radar and an improved data bus to handle integration of advanced air-to-air and precision-guided munitions.

An unconfirmed report published on 24 January on China's Sina.com website noted that Pakistan's indigenous 350 km range, optionally nuclear-armed Ra'ad (Thunder) air-launched cruise missile had been launched from a JF-17. The most recent test of the Ra'ad occurred on 19 January, but Pakistani reports did not mention the Ra'ad having been launched by a JF-17, even though this weapon has long been scheduled for JF-17 integration.

 

[Cool_Soldier]

Nice development specially testing of new weapons systems.This will enhance its performance and will make it truly 4th generation fighter. This version will be more attracted by the potential buyers in International market.
Good luck!

 

[The Eagle]

I would prefer to install IFR probe slightly to be more ahead of canopy just not to block the pilot's view. Just my opinion, the rest, professionals knows better.

However, good development and indeed the needed one that will enhance the range and loiter time.
Hoping for twin seat JF-17B soon.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Myth_buster_1]

JF-17 block two should get f-35 like nose design instead of traditional nose cone.

 

[krash]

I would prefer to install IFR probe slightly to be more ahead of canopy just not to block the pilot's view. Just my opinion, the rest, professionals knows better.

The onus of docking with the refueller in a probe-and-drogue system is on the pilot which means that he himself needs to manoeuvre his aircraft and in result the probe into the drogue basket, which at those speeds and altitudes is like threading a needle. So for this the pilot needs to keep constant watch on the probe and have clear view of his flight instruments at the same time. This means that the probes' ideal position would be some where in-front-ish of the pilot which would also mean the probe partially obstructing the pilot's view, there is no other way around it. Hiding the probe closer to the nose and out of the pilot's sight is out of the question. The only way a probe-and-drogue system can avoid this completely is by having a retractable probe, which for certain reasons we do not have on the JF-17.

However, the fixed probes aren't a big deal either. Let's not forget that all pilots do already deal with the canopy strut obstructing their view (except on the F-16 and the F-22),

Mig-29:

F-15:

You can think of the probe and the strut as the pillars besides the windscreen of your car. They obstruct vision almost directly in front of you but as soon as you gain some experience driving that car you don't even notice them any more, it's as if they aren't even there,

This is because our brains are wired to disregard redundant visual data making it virtually invisible e.g. our noses are always visible to our eyes but our brain chooses to ignore them (Although this is the best case example due to our bifocal vision's proximity to our nose). Or when something like this happens,

Btw, Rafale's probe is in an even more obstructive position than the JF-17's; almost in front rather than towards the side like the JF-17's. So if the Rafale's ok with its probe, our Thunder will be just fine.

In a flying boom refuelling system however, like that on the F-16, the responsibility of docking the boom with the aircraft is on the dedicated boom operator sitting in the refueller. Hence all the pilot basically needs to do is fly as steady as he can while the boom operator manoeuvre's the boom into the fuel receptacle of the aircraft being refuelled. This allows the fuel receptacle to be anywhere e.g. behind the pilot.

 

[Spy Master]

Here is your LCA papa

Piranha was a light combt fighter concept by dr Georges Bridel who also contributed in development of LCA.

here is MBB early design

I thought it was your own indigenous design @Abingdonboy

 

[The Eagle]

Btw, Rafale's probe is in an even more obstructive position than the JF-17's; almost in front rather than towards the side like the JF-17's. So if the Rafale's ok with its probe, our Thunder will be just fine.

Both arrangements are workable in case of fix IFR though it was only my point of view and am agreed with you as well.

However, that King Kong picture is hilarious subject to seriousness of thread.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Irony the poster says, "Jager Light a project a decade too early" that is before Indians adopted it, now it is "LCA a project three decades too late"

Here is your LCA papa

Piranha was a light combt fighter concept by dr Georges Bridel who also contributed in development of LCA.

here is MBB early design

 

[siegecrossbow]

Could any Pakistanis friends here corroborate on this report of JF-17 airstrikes against Taliban positions?

http://mil.sina.cn/zgjq/2016-01-25/detail-ifxnuvxc1937087.d.html?vt=4&pos=24&wm=4007

I realize that this might be old news for you guys, but it is new to Chinese defence sites and I haven't been following PDF closely recently.

Thanks in advance!

 

[krash]

Could any Pakistanis friends here corroborate on this report of JF-17 airstrikes against Taliban positions?

http://mil.sina.cn/zgjq/2016-01-25/detail-ifxnuvxc1937087.d.html?vt=4&pos=24&wm=4007

I realize that this might be old news for you guys, but it is new to Chinese defence sites and I haven't been following PDF closely recently.

Thanks in advance!

Really old news mate. @notorious_eagle reported that a pilot confirmed the jet being used in the operations since 2009. Other members corroborated that too.

https://defence.pk/threads/why-dont-we-use-jf-17-to-bomb-ttp-in-n-waziristan.324870/page-6

 

[siegecrossbow]

Really old news mate. @notorious_eagle reported that a pilot confirmed the jet being used in the operations since 2009. Other members corroborated that too.

https://defence.pk/threads/why-dont-we-use-jf-17-to-bomb-ttp-in-n-waziristan.324870/page-6

Why didn't the Pakistanis military make the news public in 2009 (like promote the hell out of it)? I'd imagine that you can only help JF-17 sales by promoting the fact that it was used in combat situation against terrorists.

 

[Paksanity]

Why didn't the Pakistanis military make the news public in 2009 (like promote the hell out of it)? I'd imagine that you can only help JF-17 sales by promoting the fact that it was used in combat situation against terrorists.

Perhaps to assure US establishment that F-16s are the only good weapon in fight against terrorism. Also JF-17 hasn't been seen flying with a targetting pod and LGBs yet which is essential to make a sales pitch.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Could any Pakistanis friends here corroborate on this report of JF-17 airstrikes against Taliban positions?

http://mil.sina.cn/zgjq/2016-01-25/detail-ifxnuvxc1937087.d.html?vt=4&pos=24&wm=4007

I realize that this might be old news for you guys, but it is new to Chinese defence sites and I haven't been following PDF closely recently.

Thanks in advance!

the site is in chinese