JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 5]

[MastanKhan]

khail007,

It could have happened---if this board would have taken charge and presented its analysis and presented it on the TV media.

The problem over here is---that paks are over awed by what their air force says---it becomes GOD's Word---. Paks are over awed by what their abbaji nana ji dada ji's uncle ji's have said---it comes next to GOD's word.

When you live in this kind of society when just the word of dada ji is right just for the sake of it---that society has problem---the children have a problem in understand concepts that are foreign to them---they have been told not to believe in them because it is a part of western or israeli conspiracy---.

Next thing---if any item is brought up here that goes against the belief that has been imbeded in these young and grown kidsright from childhood---it is like hitting a brick wall.

Then it is the machismo of the pakistani men---'if you fought with us we will let you know the difference---( the difference between arabs and pakistanis )---saday naal jung kar kay waykho---.

Well---the U S military did---they took out OBL---then the salala check post skirmish happened---over 2 1/2 hours.

Pakistanis love to live in lies deceit and deception---. If the out going base commander in karachi and his chief security officer would have been hanged for treason against the state---you would have seen he difference---.

There are no consequences at all.

 

[ANG]

khail007,
Well---the U S military did---they took out OBL---then the salala check post skirmish happened---over 2 1/2 hours.

Pakistanis love to live in lies deceit and deception---. If the out going base commander in karachi and his chief security officer would have been hanged for treason against the state---you would have seen he difference---.

There are no consequences at all.

Hi, I want to reiterate Mr. MK's key points. I remember when my brother was visiting Islamabad a few years back. He mentioned to a PA Officer that the US probably had stealth drones buzzing over key sensitive sights in Pakistan. The officer laughed and said "we are a nuclear power, and our defense is impregnable". Well then the OBL raid happened, and it showed the incompetence of the PAF.

Moreover, the Salaha check point skirmish was over 2 hours long and no air cover was called or even notified. This again shows the lack of integration between the PA and PAF. Back in the 70s, the USAF had 24/7 coverage of all their units, and their ground units could call in airstrikes at any time.

Also remember the PA is the same army that called the BBC the Bharti Broadcasting Service and claimed they were wining the 71 war, until the day the had to surrrender East Pakistan. Mr. MK has a very valid point, the word of the Pakistani Armed Forces is not challenged and take as law.

Moreover, any other civilized nation would have court martialed the Karachi and Kamra base commanders for negligence and all of the other officers in charge.

The PAF needs to wake up...

 

[SBD-3]

Picture published in National Media today.

So production in Kamra hasn't stalled. But what is being produced and how much is being produced is still unknown.

 

[Tempest II]

Picture published in National Media today.

So production in Kamra hasn't stalled. But what is being produced and how much is being produced is still unknown.

Does the news article it say when the photo was taken? The press is very good at re-cycling old photos or attaching photo of events that are remote to the article.

 

[Mav3rick]

Hi, I want to reiterate Mr. MK's key points. I remember when my brother was visiting Islamabad a few years back. He mentioned to a PA Officer that the US probably had stealth drones buzzing over key sensitive sights in Pakistan. The officer laughed and said "we are a nuclear power, and our defense is impregnable". Well then the OBL raid happened, and it showed the incompetence of the PAF.

Moreover, the Salaha check point skirmish was over 2 hours long and no air cover was called or even notified. This again shows the lack of integration between the PA and PAF. Back in the 70s, the USAF had 24/7 coverage of all their units, and their ground units could call in airstrikes at any time.

Also remember the PA is the same army that called the BBC the Bharti Broadcasting Service and claimed they were wining the 71 war, until the day the had to surrrender East Pakistan. Mr. MK has a very valid point, the word of the Pakistani Armed Forces is not challenged and take as law.

Moreover, any other civilized nation would have court martialed the Karachi and Kamra base commanders for negligence and all of the other officers in charge.

The PAF needs to wake up...

Nobody can say with certainty whether that was incompetence/lack of technology or a joint operation where PAF/PA purposefully allowed the Americans to stage a drama so that Obama would be re-elected. Obama eventually got re-elected.

 

[PiyaraPakistan]

Does the news article it say when the photo was taken? The press is very good at re-cycling old photos or attaching photo of events that are remote to the article.

Sir, Rana Tanveer Hussain's presence in JF-17 cockpit shows that this pic is taken after june 2013. My Guess.
Rana Tanveer Hussain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Which proves that JF-17(May be Block-II) is in production.

 

[Informant]

Nobody can say with certainty whether that was incompetence/lack of technology or a joint operation where PAF/PA purposefully allowed the Americans to stage a drama so that Obama would be re-elected. Obama eventually got re-elected.

Miss your meds?

 

[GURU DUTT]

Hi, I want to reiterate Mr. MK's key points. I remember when my brother was visiting Islamabad a few years back. He mentioned to a PA Officer that the US probably had stealth drones buzzing over key sensitive sights in Pakistan. The officer laughed and said "we are a nuclear power, and our defense is impregnable". Well then the OBL raid happened, and it showed the incompetence of the PAF.

Moreover, the Salaha check point skirmish was over 2 hours long and no air cover was called or even notified. This again shows the lack of integration between the PA and PAF. Back in the 70s, the USAF had 24/7 coverage of all their units, and their ground units could call in airstrikes at any time.

Also remember the PA is the same army that called the BBC the Bharti Broadcasting Service and claimed they were wining the 71 war, until the day the had to surrrender East Pakistan. Mr. MK has a very valid point, the word of the Pakistani Armed Forces is not challenged and take as law.

Moreover, any other civilized nation would have court martialed the Karachi and Kamra base commanders for negligence and all of the other officers in charge.

The PAF needs to wake up...

but how does this scene effects PAF and JF17 in genral cause what had happened had happened but what is the future of JF17 according to you and how good it is according to you to keep IAF at bay so that it dosent gets to adnatrous and will the JF17 bwe able to counter IAF both in technical and neumarical grounds

 

[SBD-3]

Does the news article it say when the photo was taken? The press is very good at re-cycling old photos or attaching photo of events that are remote to the article.

He appears to have visited Kamra in Mid to Late October
Pakistan plans to enhance defence exports in near future: Minister
KAMRA, Oct 22 (APP): Defence Production Minister, Rana Tanveer Hussain Tuesday said that Pakistan was planing to enhance its defence exports in the near future. “Our factories and establishments were not only meeting our own defence requirement but also exporting their products to other countries,” he said while visiting Pakistan Aeronautical Complex here. He said,”Over a period of time, Pakistan’s defence industry has grown into well-established units and has developed the potential to export defence equipment to friendly countries and international markets.
“Today, Pakistan certainly has the infrastructure and trained manpower not only to meet its own defence requirements but also to undertake joint ventures, he added.
Rana Tanveer received an in-depth briefing about the working of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
The composition of all units and factories of PAC Kamra and their capacity was explained to the minister during the briefing session.
The Minster took keen interest in the briefing and raised several questions to further enhance the working of PAC Kamra.
He desired that the quality and transparency should be the key parameters while acquiring defence equipment.
He said that “the quality of the aircraft overhaul and rebuild at the factories are of state of the art”.
After the briefing, the Minister took a detailed tour of the Aircraft Rebuild Factory and the Mirage Rebuild Factory.
He appreciated the proficiency and technical level of the workers and supervisors alike.
The Minister was then taken to the Avionics Production Factory where he appreciated the efforts of the skilled workers and technical staff involved in the project of the most prized JF-17 Thunder aircraft.
Pakistan’s Defence industry has the capacity of manufacturing surplus products in order to earn foreign exchange for national development.
The most of the Industries are producing defence equipment of optimum level.
PAC is mainly focusing on Super Mushshak, K-8 trainer Jet, JF-17 Thunder and maintenance and rebuild of aircraft of Pakistan Air Force”.
The visit was very fruitful and the Minster assured PAC of all out help in getting their problems addressed. The Chairman PAC Kamra added that all valuable suggestions and points raised by the Minister will be implemented soon.
Earlier, upon his arrival, the Minister was received by Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan, Chairman Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.
Additional Secretary, Ministry of Defence Production, Maj.Gen. Raza Muhammad accompanied the Minister.
All senior officers of PAC Kamra were introduced to the Minister for Defence Production.
Rana Tanveer Hussain called on Chairman PAC Kamra Air Marshal Sohail Gul Khan.
During the call on Minister was given an in-depth briefing into the working of the PAC.
The Minister was apprised about the overall structure of the factories and their production capability.
Associated Press Of Pakistan ( Pakistan's Premier NEWS Agency ) - Pakistan plans to enhance defence exports in near future: Minister

 

[Chak Bamu]

@ANG
I find your post very interesting. But may I point out that it is off-topic. I would like to point out the after-math of Salala incident in order to guess the decision-making process. But that would further drive the thread off topic. Could you please copy your post to an appropriate thread please so we may continue an interesting topic? Thanks.

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

Aaj TV pae news aae k rana tanver said that we complete 45 jf17 thunder and next year we import 6 to 7 thunders why we import

 

[naseebkhanniazi]

Tanver said that we are going to start hale in kamra and also kamra is in upgrading process what is going there????

 

[Bratva]

45 Manufactured JF-17. That's the tag line appearing in PAF chief, Minister defence production Rana tanveer interviews and in international magazines.

Does it Mean total strength of JF-17's are 45 or 45 manufactured in Pakistan 5-7 SPB from china, (50-53) overall strength? @Oscar

 

[fatman17]

8 SBP in china
42 in Kamra
1 attrition

 

[lutfishah]

http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/10/23/pakistan-to-sell-05-to-07-jf-17-thunder-next-year/

Good news

Sorry guys, I'm coming back after long time.. What happen to the old site??