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Is it just me, or does WS-13 seem to feature a thrust vectoring nozzle?

 
^ Its another engine of same config , it can be another ws-13 variant too.

There is no name given for it as yet.
 
WS-13 ???

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on March 18, 2010, the China National Aviation Corp industry initiates a project the development “Taishan” the engine to install the Fierce Dragon ground run voluntarily to be for the first time successful! The head flies is just round the corner successfully! The scene cheers tide gets up. Young people hot tears filling the eyes, the mouth writes a verset, expresses emotion which one cannot suppress: “the `Taishan ' the fear does not climb difficultly, `four altogether ' develop the entire ten years. Installs the Fierce Dragon flying date, flies sends the entire line completely joyful face.” He is this project manager, China National Aviation Corp industry engine scientific research three Vice-minister Lu Jibin.
First, for model success exploration management innovation
in 1999, after Lu Jibin obtained the aircraft engine specialized master's degree, started the work to the Shenyang Engine design Research institute. Works in Shenyang during five years, he undertakes many design test work and the project management independently successively, has built the aircraft engine development technology base, gained in the managerial experience. Because the task performance is outstanding, in February, 2004 is detailed a Chinese navigation engine services department navigation to send two to present one's credentials, at the beginning of 2008 starts to manage the navigation to send two work. After two big aviation industry group conformity, is appointed China National Aviation Corp industry engine scientific research three vice-ministers, is in charge of the airplane two dynamic systems, the low thrust and the medium thrust force turbojet turbofan engine development work.
“Qinling” the engine installs Feibao's engine, is our country first presses the country military symbol to request completely to complete the design finalization of production the large-scale turbofan engine. Started responsible this project in 2004 in Lu Jibin, just when “Qinling” since childhood approved to the mass production transition. He in completed massive technical, quality question coordinated processing, to straighten out in gradually the foundation which each necessary unit related, the organization has completed “Qinling” the engine craft stereotypia and the design finalization of production. He through summarizes the analysis earnestly, the independence has completed "for 2004 Year “Qinling” Engine Major technique Quality Question Assembly" the compilation work. His these work, promoted “Qinling” the mass production quality to be stable. His management mentality and the practice, were “Qinling” from the development, end in the equipment, the trend market to make the outstanding contributions.
“Taishan” the engine development, is the medium thrust force turbofan engine development project which Group first initiates a project voluntarily. This project does not have the national investment similarly, does not have the ready-made organization system and the management pattern. He in view of the characteristic which independently develops, stresses the scene management, stresses working out rules and regulations; He and the colleagues tried to find out together that take “Taishan” the development management as the platform, established the aviation industry independently to develop the model initially the management pattern. Some people praised: “Lu Jibin is one can forecast the risk, the melt risk person”. His rich general situation consciousness's management thought and the rich project management knowledge, founded “Taishan” the development new ball game.
in 2003 started our country independently developed the unmanned aerial vehicle used some turbojet and the turbofan engine. Because does not have the national investment, does not have the military initiating a project, the Group institution to manage the stratification plane faced with the product research and development, the market development and the reassignment senate grinds and so on enthusiastically many questions. Lu Jibin in the responsible this project's process, has done the massive fruitful supervisory work. He with the aid of the field expert strength, only in 09 years, organized the technology, the quality, to manage the expert to investigate and study the group, four thorough scenes carried on the investigation and study; He develops the short board unit thoroughly many times, the scene organization craft attack, develops the progress coordinated. Is precisely good progress which two engine developments obtain, has obtained national initiating a project in 2008. From develops independently to national initiating a project, in future will become “995” two issue of armies with some unmanned aerial vehicle only power unit, all these will not be able to separate with him in the management aspect's contribution.
Second, is beforehand the personhood
Lu Jibin in the work, practices diligently “works” and “the personhood” the unification. After stepping onto the management post, he often said that “first should complete two matters as the superintendent: Leads the good person, to do good; Does good the premise is the belt good person, has the good person premise is completes the model.”
In 2004 the second half of the year, was the promotion “Qinling” engine's production and the payment, he had four months to stay at a selected place in the Xi'an Aero-Engine scene. He and the assembly crewmen overtime work, solves the problem which coordinated together in the production appears; He contracts the gallstone, starts from 09 years to be increasingly serious, the ache to be sometimes hard to endure, doctor urges him many times the hospital treatment. This year, is precisely he is in charge of the engine prototype research and production the crucial phase, he travels on official business in the same old way, goes through many places rushes about in each senate grinds the unit. His father is sick has been ill abed, looks after the father to press completely, in has loved on the person body. The spouse sometimes also cracks a joke the tone complains him: “you are the busy man, has a child you including me to work overtime, did not fear that the child grew up has hated you.”
Lu Jibin has one to encourage her maxim, “in defeats in the challenge the achievement enterprise, the achievement!”, he and the self-value realizes himself, integrates the motherland completely in the aviation power enterprise, he is aviation industry one exerts oneself the promising outstanding youth!
 
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So at this very moment what are we operating.

F-16 A/B
F-16 C/D (In June)
Mirage III
Mirage IV
A-5
JF-17 Thunder
F-7P
F-PG

8 Different types of Air crafts :D
 
So at this very moment what are we operating.

F-16 A/B
F-16 C/D (In June)
Mirage III
Mirage IV
A-5
JF-17 Thunder
F-7P
F-PG

8 Different types of Air crafts :D

A little correction, F7P and F7PG are almost the same plane just slightly different version.
Its not Mirage IV but Mirage V.
:cheers:
 
No offense but do you rate Mig 21 old and BIS as same?
 
still nobody got a picture of JF-17 firing SD10s or dropping guided bombs...
 
No we dont rate them as same but at the same time say that they are mig-21s and not 2 diffrent types of fighters :cheers:

If you consider Su30MKI and Su27 as same aircraft ... than yes F7 and F7pg are one and the same thing.

e.g-1
F16A/B can be converted to F16C/D class using Falcon Star upgrades and MLU kits, so yes, they are one and same. They share the basic airframe, wing, and similar flight envelop.

e.g-2
F18A/B/C/D is one and same thing with variations in seating and avionics, but F18E/F Super Hornet is totally different aircraft with different airframe. The do not share the same airframe and/or same flight envelop.


F7 and F7pg not only have re-designed airframe to handle higher angle of attack, bigger antenna array, different cockpit, different avionics altogether, altogether new wing, larger internal fuel tanks and flight parameters that differ from F7 (itself a mig21 upgrade) by as much as 30%~83% in different performance aspects, so we consider it a borderline new aircraft.

But it still remains a Mig-21 variant, no doubt about it.
Just as a Su30, Su33, Su35 and Su37 are all Su27 variants.

Regards,
Sapper
 
If you consider Su30MKI and Su27 as same aircraft ... than yes F7 and F7pg are one and the same thing.

e.g-1
F16A/B can be converted to F16C/D class using Falcon Star upgrades and MLU kits, so yes, they are one and same. They share the basic airframe, wing, and similar flight envelop.

e.g-2
F18A/B/C/D is one and same thing with variations in seating and avionics, but F18E/F Super Hornet is totally different aircraft with different airframe. The do not share the same airframe and/or same flight envelop.


F7 and F7pg not only have re-designed airframe to handle higher angle of attack, bigger antenna array, different cockpit, different avionics altogether, altogether new wing, larger internal fuel tanks and flight parameters that differ from F7 (itself a mig21 upgrade) by as much as 30%~83% in different performance aspects, so we consider it a borderline new aircraft.

But it still remains a Mig-21 variant, no doubt about it.
Just as a Su30, Su33, Su35 and Su37 are all Su27 variants.

Regards,
Sapper

Su35 is an evolution of Su 30 which itself is an evolution of Su27.

There is a difference between evolution and variant.

F7PG and F7P are variants of F7 and not different planes. If every variant was known as a different plane then there would be at least 200 planes just based on Mig 21. Just look at the list of variants of F7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-7_Skybolt#Variants


If I posted two pics here of F7 PG and F7 P I can bet you won't be able to differentiate between them at all.
Su30MKI and MKM are a variant of Su30.
 
Su35 is an evolution of Su 30 which itself is an evolution of Su27.

There is a difference between evolution and variant.

F7PG and F7P are variants of F7 and not different planes. If every variant was known as a different plane then there would be at least 200 planes just based on Mig 21.


If I posted two pics here of F7 PG and F7 P I can bet you won't be able to differentiate between them at all.
Su30MKI and MKM are a variant of Su30.


Dear, Bet is ON.

Meanwhile you tell me which one is Su30 and Which one is Su27 from these without reading from their designation given on left side.



Su30 and Su27 have very few structural changes in general. In Su30MKI canards are added, not all Su30s have canards.

Regards,
Sapper
 
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Dear, Bet is ON.

Meanwhile you tell me which one is Su30 and Which one is Su29 from these without reading from their designation given on left side.



Su30 and Su27 have almost zero structural changes in general. in Su30MKI canards are added, not all Su30s have canards.

Regards,
Sapper

Come on. Just check the specs. There is a load of difference between Su27 and Su30. Its just the airframe that is same and for a reason, it is the most maneuverable airframe in the world, why change something that is perfect??

On the other hand check these. There isn't any major structural difference and very minor internal differences too. The only difference is single piece windshield replacing the 3-piece windshield of the J-7P


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