JF-17 Thunder Multirole Fighter [Thread 2]

[nightrider_saulat]

When chinese will be manufacturing J-10B than we also get J-10B.
By exporting defence equipmet national interest is very well served so there is no reason to be pesimistic, specially when some understanding exisits among both states.


Since when are you following JF-17 discussions?
JF-17 has all the characters of world's top class fighters, Clipped delta wings, LERX, DSI, HUD, etc.
F-16 is a great plane and it would not be wrong if i may say that JF-17 have surpassed this benchmark.
We have F-16 and we are in better position to compare its performance with F_17 as practical as it could be.
SU30 was humiliated by F-16 in recent red flag excercises and this should be enough practical example.

please if you have any article related to su-30 being humiliated by f-16
then kindly post it here

 

[BATMAN]

WS-10A engine is based on the core of CFM-56 western engine

Same goes for the Tianshan 21 because its development started earlier and same know how of CFM-56 was used for its development.
Later Tianshan 21 was fused with shell of RD-33 (compatibility reasons) and we got WS-13.

WS-13 is not a copy of RD-93, its said that it is based on it, meaning some kind of design is related to RD-93 but not completely.

Thats what i objected on the first place that it is not a copy of RD-33 or 93.
Now I see no reason to drag this point any further.

 

[BATMAN]

please if you have any article related to su-30 being humiliated by f-16
then kindly post it here

No not here... this is JF-17 thread NOT su30 vs f-16.
My reference to SU30 has to be seen together with the context, which i quote.
Try browising this forum or web with key words 'red flag' you will find the required info.

 

[Tempest II]

the topic is of 2007
A Boost for the PAF and French Relevancy
A Boost for the PAF and French Relevancy | The Insider Brief





south africa

Advanced Helmet Systems: The South African “Archer” helmet mounted display (top) uses light emitting diodes to track pilot head position in order to target weapons. The Cigong Group helmet sight seen a the 2004 Zhuhai show used a similar head tracking system. Any potential South African help with new PLA AAMs likely included the sale of advanced helmet display technology.

Thanks for the reply.

The post was saying a "missile and radar package". South Africa does not make airborne FCRs.

Yes they make the HMS and I believe they also make some components that go on the Typhoon HMS.

 

[Arsalan]

Thanks for the reply.

The post was saying a "missile and radar package". South Africa does not make airborne FCRs.

Yes they make the HMS and I believe they also make some components that go on the Typhoon HMS.

well i thought that PAF was very much satisfied with the HMS currently employed wiht the JF17!
i dont think that system needs a replacement!

regards!

 

[Adios Amigo]

[pakistani versions of some missiles /weapons for jf17

Three successful tests of H-4, with the latest conducted this year, produced satisfactory results leading to addition of arsenal in the fighter jets," they said, adding
the missiles were modified version of the South African T-Darter BVR missiles.

PAF officials said that the H-4 missiles which was an Infra-Red Device and comparable to that of the AA11, AA12 and python 4 missiles of the IAF would be fitted on to the PAF's mirage aircraft until the induction of new plane JF-17 thunder, jointly developed by Pakistan and China, in 2006

The PAF claims to have H-2 BVR missiles, which could hit targets up to 60 km.

sounds prety intersting,can anyone provide some more info about it???its progress status now,etc??

 

[Manticore]

sounds preety intersting,can anyone provide some more info about it???its progress status now,etc??

added the links on the original post bro..

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[Adios Amigo]

added the links on the original post bro..

Sir i have gone through the articals which dates back to 2003, what i ment was wats the current status of H2 and H4 programs?
regards

 

[Manticore]

H2 and H4 were inducted way back, i guess you are not listening more of them is that paf is going for other missiles like mica/sd10 aswell...perhaps sir pshamim or his colleagues can shed a light on it..

 

[Nishan_101]

sounds prety intersting,can anyone provide some more info about it???its progress status now,etc??

ISn't H-2 and H-4 are air to ground BVR with only IR as guidence.
MY opinion about it is :
H-2 and H-2 have not only IR homing but like all western weapons it should have following things embeded in it :
1.IR-Infrared
2.Laser guidence
3.GPS - as well as INS (specially when U.S turns off GPS for PAF).
4.RADAR guidence through aircraft radar.(in such a sanario that the wheather is not clear and GPS is also not available.

Versions of this weapons:
other than the rocket / missile version it must have a bomb like version with the same guidence and bigger payload (due to non-availability of rocket power motor.) like:
1000 K.G : Bunker buster bombs.
500 K.G: small bunker buster bombs.
125 K.G: like boeing future weapons.

 

[fatman17]

Sunday, January 11, 2009

Pakistan Air Force: Preparing for next decade
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After facing sanctions for almost decade and half Pakistan air force is sharpening its teeth and building powerful muscles through the fast track introduction of advance technologies to reduce the to effectively counter any Indian aggression from its rival Indian air force. Pakistan air force has purchased four Ilyushin Il-78 MK Midas with 105.7 tonnes (232,540 lb) transferable fuel. Pakistan has ordered the IL-78M airframes and these aircrafts are in Ukraine, where they are currently being fitted with aerial refueling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR. Second major item that PAF has already purchased is AEW&C capability from Sweden four to five Saab-2000 Erieye+ AEW&C and four KJ-200 based AEW&C specifically modified and improved with help of PAC kamra to meet the minimum requirements of PAF and will be called ZDK03 AEW&C.

From PAF’s point of view, one of the main results of sanctions from west is JF-17 Thunder, a light weight fighter aircraft which is only aircraft that is developed by an air force for its own use. Pakistan has started mass production of the JF-17 Thunder in January 2008 and more than17 JF-17 are with PAF. The first batch of 50 JF-17 Thunder aircrafts will be equipped with the Chinese and Pakistani avionics and weapons, while the second batch aircraft will be equipped with more advanced radars and missiles including those of western makes. France has offered Pakistan its RDY-3 radar and MBDA MICA missile for the aircraft. However, due to changing air defense environment in region and recent events of intentional incursions of IAF aircraft into Pakistani airspace, PAF is more inclined towards AESA radar option and Long range BVRAAM for its JF-17 Thunder that will serve as PAF back bone in years to come. In recent Ideas 2008 defense Expo in Karachi Pakistan, Pakistan Air Force was approached by different AESA radar makers with assurances that PAF will be able to choose and integrate freely what ever BVRAAM it chooses. MBDA Meteor and MICA BVRAAM missile were also offered to PAF. Given the fact that JF-17 Thunder will have radar with same diameter as that of RDY-2 used in Mirage-2000-9, Thunder will be able to use Long range BVRAAM like ramjet Meteor to its full potentional.

In another interesting development Chinese company, No 14 Research Institute / Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET) which defeated the SELEX (Galileo Avionica) and is providing the KLJ-7 radar for current batch of JF-17 Thunder is also developing AESA radar to satisfy its customer. Chinese companies are working hard to provide a complete package deal to PAF that will involve improved version of SD-10 with increased range (comparable to AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM, but it will not be ramjet powered like Meteor BVRAAM), new WVRAAM and AESA radar.

Posted by ASIAN DEFENCE

a few months old but interesting!

 

[fatman17]

Shipment of JF-17
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someone said that the Antonov Ruslan cannot deliver the JF-17s!

 

[wangrong]

enjoy

 

[IceCold]

Sunday, January 11, 2009

Pakistan Air Force: Preparing for next decade
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After facing sanctions for almost decade and half Pakistan air force is sharpening its teeth and building powerful muscles through the fast track introduction of advance technologies to reduce the to effectively counter any Indian aggression from its rival Indian air force. Pakistan air force has purchased four Ilyushin Il-78 MK Midas with 105.7 tonnes (232,540 lb) transferable fuel. Pakistan has ordered the IL-78M airframes and these aircrafts are in Ukraine, where they are currently being fitted with aerial refueling pods and the internal fuel tanks that are now stocked up in Ukraine since the days of the USSR. Second major item that PAF has already purchased is AEW&C capability from Sweden four to five Saab-2000 Erieye+ AEW&C and four KJ-200 based AEW&C specifically modified and improved with help of PAC kamra to meet the minimum requirements of PAF and will be called ZDK03 AEW&C.

From PAF’s point of view, one of the main results of sanctions from west is JF-17 Thunder, a light weight fighter aircraft which is only aircraft that is developed by an air force for its own use. Pakistan has started mass production of the JF-17 Thunder in January 2008 and more than17 JF-17 are with PAF. The first batch of 50 JF-17 Thunder aircrafts will be equipped with the Chinese and Pakistani avionics and weapons, while the second batch aircraft will be equipped with more advanced radars and missiles including those of western makes. France has offered Pakistan its RDY-3 radar and MBDA MICA missile for the aircraft. However, due to changing air defense environment in region and recent events of intentional incursions of IAF aircraft into Pakistani airspace, PAF is more inclined towards AESA radar option and Long range BVRAAM for its JF-17 Thunder that will serve as PAF back bone in years to come. In recent Ideas 2008 defense Expo in Karachi Pakistan, Pakistan Air Force was approached by different AESA radar makers with assurances that PAF will be able to choose and integrate freely what ever BVRAAM it chooses. MBDA Meteor and MICA BVRAAM missile were also offered to PAF. Given the fact that JF-17 Thunder will have radar with same diameter as that of RDY-2 used in Mirage-2000-9, Thunder will be able to use Long range BVRAAM like ramjet Meteor to its full potentional.

In another interesting development Chinese company, No 14 Research Institute / Nanjing Research Institute of Electronic Technology (NRIET) which defeated the SELEX (Galileo Avionica) and is providing the KLJ-7 radar for current batch of JF-17 Thunder is also developing AESA radar to satisfy its customer. Chinese companies are working hard to provide a complete package deal to PAF that will involve improved version of SD-10 with increased range (comparable to AIM-120 C-5 AMRAAM, but it will not be ramjet powered like Meteor BVRAAM), new WVRAAM and AESA radar.

Posted by ASIAN DEFENCE

A chinese AESA radar, well that would be interesting. Also article suggests Chinese and Pakistani avionics and weapons system for the JF-17 where as i remember reading Sir Murad's post a while ago in which he clearly wrote who says JF-17 has all chinese avionics? Now certainly confusing for an average reader.

 

[wangrong]

A chinese AESA radar, well that would be interesting. Also article suggests Chinese and Pakistani avionics and weapons system for the JF-17 where as i remember reading Sir Murad's post a while ago in which he clearly wrote who says JF-17 has all chinese avionics? Now certainly confusing for an average reader.

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