JF-17 Thunder Block-II replaces F-7P Skybolt of the Number 2 Minhas Squadron.

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Its time for Economic progress instead of Military. Military progress will come along with Economic progress.

Oh Thank u, I didn't know about this,

 

[I S I]

Oh Thank u, I didn't know about this,

I'm glad to know that.

 

[CHI RULES]

Bhai jitni chaadar ho, utne hi pair phelaane chahiye.

Chadr jitni bhi ho Jism ko dhanpney ke kabil honi chahye

 

[batmannow]

I'n glad to know that.

Strong defence , brings peace , which brings economic progress , if you check the list of developed countries dictating the worlds economy , you will find all of them , with really strong defence ?
Be it , China , america , Russia , France , Britain ?
With out strong , defence even rich countries like IRAQ , LIBYA , KSA ,UKRAINE always can be messed up ,in just few hours ?
Cause they lack strong defence ?
Economic growth ,& its success surly ,depends on strong defence ,without which they can't have a peace full environment ?
Thus , Pakistan should make its defence stronger ,to get the required peace , for a booming economy ?

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Still quite a long way to go 2016 hope that production levels increase we have fallen behind

 

[rockstar08]

sir g india pata nai kya kya buy kar raha ha aur hum hain k
Ghorey bech k soo rahay hain @Zarvan @rockstar08 @MastanKhan @Manticore @GHazwahind

Our Air force Lack some serious Strike Capabilities ... almost every major Country is advancing their Fleet and we are moving at very slow rate ..
Indian Navy is way to far from the PN ... the only way PN can and will survive in any possible Attack is just to create a Defensive Parameter , and throw everything at enemy you have in your stockpiles ..

 

[I S I]

Chadr jitni bhi ho Jism ko dhanpney ke kabil honi chahye

Acha molana sahib.

 

[CHI RULES]

Acha molana sahib.

nice reply but Pak navy and Af yet to go long way

 

[MastanKhan]

Strong defence , brings peace , which brings economic progress , if you check the list of developed countries dictating the worlds economy , you will find all of them , with really strong defence ?
Be it , China , america , Russia , France , Britain ?
With out strong , defence even rich countries like IRAQ , LIBYA , KSA ,UKRAINE always can be messed up ,in just few hours ?
Cause they lack strong defence ?
Economic growth ,& its success surly ,depends on strong defence ,without which they can't have a peace full environment ?
Thus , Pakistan should make its defence stronger ,to get the required peace , for a booming economy ?

Hi,

Thank you---that is how it is done.

Iraq---I believe had 98% education rate or something like that---and look where it is now.

 

[Zarvan]

Hi,

Thank you---that is how it is done.

Iraq---I believe had 98% education rate or something like that---and look where it is now.

Weakness always invite aggression

 

[batmannow]

Hi,

Thank you---that is how it is done.

Iraq---I believe had 98% education rate or something like that---and look where it is now.

Sir,
Its been a decade we have been fighting this twisted argument about strong economy brings strong defence ?
but our selfish berucratic stance is always funny , cause that brings cash into their hidden ,forighen accounts ?
I'm , really getting mad on these so ,called hot shot economists who , strat their dam count from 10 to 1?
They can't realise that , even Japan the leading economic power is still , dependent on USA for its security , & thus always has to pay , all the stupid wars carried out by USA cause they don't have any other choice ?

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir,
Its been a decade we have been fighting this twisted argument about strong economy brings strong defence ?
but our selfish berucratic stance is always funny , cause that brings cash into their hidden ,forighen accounts ?
I'm , really getting mad on these so ,called hot shot economists who , strat their dam count from 10 to 1?
They can't realise that , even Japan the leading economic power is still , dependent on USA for its security , & thus always has to pay , all the stupid wars carried out by USA cause they don't have any other choice ?

Hi,

It has never changed---if you are militarily strong---others will stay away from you. If you are economically strong---others would want to come to steal your assets or destroy your assets to create less competition.

For a country like pakistan----a muslim nation that is a nuc power as well---it needs a stronger military just to survive----and with a neighbor like india---that till yesterday was openly threatening to escalate border issues with a full fledged war---can create major problems for us.

I should have started a new thread on this----.

 

[batmannow]

Hi,

It has never changed---if you are militarily strong---others will stay away from you. If you are economically strong---others would want to come to steal your assets or destroy your assets to create less competition.

For a country like pakistan----a muslim nation that is a nuc power as well---it needs a stronger military just to survive----and with a neighbor like india---that till yesterday was openly threatening to escalate border issues with a full fledged war---can create major problems for us.

I should have started a new thread on this----.

Will be a very important thread , please go ahead , I'm with you , & will be with you forever .
cause you are a example to all of the patriots .
We need more peoples like you , in the decision making level of our country !

 

[barbarosa]

very good news for us.

 

[niaz]

Hi,

It has never changed---if you are militarily strong---others will stay away from you. If you are economically strong---others would want to come to steal your assets or destroy your assets to create less competition.

For a country like pakistan----a muslim nation that is a nuc power as well---it needs a stronger military just to survive----and with a neighbor like india---that till yesterday was openly threatening to escalate border issues with a full fledged war---can create major problems for us.

I should have started a new thread on this----.

Iqbal had declared nearly a century ago “hai Jurm-e zaifee ki saza marg-e mafajat”. However in reality it is a ‘Catch22’. You do need strong defence to deter aggression and also need strong economy to have strong defence..

Problem is by strong economy most people understand having ‘Loads of money’. Loads of money such as oil revenue only gives you wealth; it does not give you strong economy. Real strength of economy is thru the value added to the raw materials by the country’s work force which cannot be taken away and even after complete destruction, Japan & Germany emerged as strong nations. On the other hand easy wealth such as gold & diamond etc. (Zambia) or oil (OPEC countries) or strong agrarian economy such as the subcontinent of the old; actually invites aggression. This being the easy wealth for whosoever is strong enough to take it. Recent example being that of Saddam Hussein’ invading Kuwait to grab her oil.

Europeans manged to overthrow 500 years of Ottoman rule that had been the dominant power throughout the 19th & 20th countries, because they acquired advanced technology. China caught up with the West in the 21st century and India is also on the way.

Hon. Mastan Khan correctly surmised that Iraq had very high literacy rate but it was of little help against the US. This is because Iraq, despite high literacy, did not have strong economy.

It is a combination of education and inherent talent that produces the brilliant minds who invent penicillin, artificial limbs, motor cars, steamships & trains. My firm belief is that road map of the strong economy is thru technically skilled manpower that can only be achieved by means of education. It is only the educated work force that would design & build fighter planes, submarines, tanks, rapid fire guns, radar & cruise missiles. My fellow countrymen must understand that having made atomic bomb; it does not follow that we can also make submarines, advanced fighter planes, aero engines or tanks.

Let us be honest and acknowledge that design for the atomic centrifuges was stolen by the Dr Qadeer Khan from Holland. Al Khalid Tank is of Chinese design and has Ukrainian manufactured power plant. JF-17 was designed & tested in China and is installed with Russian engine & Chinese avionics. We only assembled the Augusta submarine. None of the above projects would have been possible if we didn’t have foreign input.

To understand Pakistani mindset, we should listen to the ex Baluchistan Chief Minister (Raisani) who declared that Degree is a Degree whether real of fake! Can someone with a fake degree perform heart surgery? Nevertheless our political leaders lack integrity and think little of spending money on education. Only reason we have been unable to exploit Thar coal, Reko diq Copper mines and the shale gas deposits is because we lack indigenous capability to exploit the same without foreign investment and expertise. Thar coal had to wait for the Chinese before any serious work on its development could begin.


Undoubtedly Pakistan must have strong defence to safeguard her territorial integrity but it cannot be at the expense of strong economy. We would never be able to indigenously build our defence equipment and or have funds to purchase what cannot produce, without strong economy. Therefore there has to be compromise between what we spend on defence and what we spend on education, health & economic development

IMO Pakistan desperately needs at least 4 or 5 universities that are rated among the top 100 universities of world so that Pakistan can produce human resource knowledgeable enough to compete with rest of the world on equal footing. For this expenditure on education & scientific, industrial & technical research needs to be quadrupled at the very least.

We still feel proud that Muslims were once ahead of the world. Indeed they were until the 13th Century. If we want to regain our inheritance we have to work hard for it. Moorish Spain had the best universities of the time. This would never happen if we continue producing thousands of madrassah graduates who are taught to kill the defenceless women polio workers and blow up girl’s schools.