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Egypt is a serious enough nation when compared to what it operates and who is the enemy.
Turkey, not sure they will go for it, as they have JSF-35 coming their way.
JF-17 will take time to mature and as it matures, it will attract more mature customers.
Fair enough ! However keep in mind that world will not be stagnant till JF17 matures , it would have advanced to whole different level.
Sir, 42 JF-17s signed for 800Mln was a public news, with agreements signed between representatives and stuff like that. This 36 FC-20 deal has not been signed nor any official confirmation. Its based on a rumor, the only thing confirm is that PAF has given consent for acquiring the fighter, for how much and what is involved, that is not clear. So you may be taking the 40Mln figure, i am not.
Plus, the PAF ACM is on record of having said that price negotiations for FC-20 are still being held and details yet not known. You can Google it up and see the statement for itself. Here let me help you with that, see his interview to JDW and financial negotiations yet to happen.
http://www.defence.pk/forums/milita...r-suleman-pakistan-air-force-chief-air-s.html
Here, plz view post#567 by pshamim Sb, who said China is asking for 40Mln for FC-20, while Pakistan is saying 25Mln. pshamim Sb is a very reliable source, rather a very very reliable source when it comes to PAF. He said this in March of this year, thus negotiations on price going on and we have yet to see the final figure. If Pakistan is asking for 25Mln, it would mean it knows what the real price for it is, while China may be asking for 40Mln for other reasons.
Post#567
J10/FC-20 and PAF doctrine
Taimi,
It is you who asked me to post official sources and not figures from sino defence. I did put forward a published report from a chinese mouth piece and now you are pointing me to a post from Shamim sir and asking me to believe that J10 is being negotiated for 25 million. Chalo, i will trust you and Shamim sir on the cost of J10.
However i cant comprehend the reason why Chinese would go on two build and sell two types of planes for negligible cost difference with exactly the same avionics...and further why would PLAF/PAF opt for J10 or why would PLAF/PAF opt for JF17 if the difference are comparatively neglible? This is precisely what i am failing to understand , however as you said time will tell. So i rest my case.
I believe at this point and as per my above clarification, it is premature to say what the real price is and what is not, only final deal may tell, which that even may not be the true one for Pakistan. Inside price may be something else, for the world it would be something else, for obvious reasons.
And for comparison at this stage, plzzz compare the prices of 28Mln as per the CAF divisional commander and PAF JF-17 at 19 Mln, not the 40Mln with no official source to support it. The 28Mln & 19Mln are backed up by official or much reliable sources at this stage of time.
And China asking for 40Mln would be most probably to give a message to the world that it is over now with making cheap planes, a 40Mln price tag would suggest quality too.
I will take your word for 28 or 25 million.
with regards to bold part -- why would chinese do that ? Chinese are known for their cheap products ...and if they are pointing out to quality with a cheap price-- then there is a saying in the world "you get what you paid for"...that is not going to change anytime soon....I believe Chinese instead is advertising J10 as high tech fighter visa as compared to JF17 hence the cost difference... but at 28 million a pop for J10 that argument doesnt hold weight.
Plzzz Sir, not you atleast.
Whether JF-17, J-10 or Mig-29, the final decision would be based on the operator's specifications, pocket and requirements.
If an operator neds JF-17 which fulfills all its requirements, it will go for it, if someone is satisfied with J-10 or Mig-29, they will go for that.
Air forces can even make the hi-lo mix as PAF is making, F-16/FC-20s for its hi end, while JF-17s for its lo end.
In the end, the operator will choose based on what it suits its needs best, what is its operational/threat perception requirements and what it can afford.
JF-17 is a light fighter, made for air forces who want a light fighter in their operational requirements and want to replace their light fighters with as little cash to spend with something generations ahead.
J-10 & Mig-29 are medium weight fighter aircraft, those who are in need of these beasts, will go for them.
Those who want both, will go for both, JF-17s & J-10/Mig-29s.
Sorry for the dig !