JF-17 Block III's proposed AESA Radar KLJ-7A

[Bilal Khan 777]

Nope, you r not the only source of info on PAF and some of the inductions they make, the reasons, and causes as to why they chose those etc. on this forum. Others may have theirs as well.

Lets keep it at that.

Thanks.

i never claimed to be a source, or the source. Thank you for considering me as one even. I respect your sources and whatever they inform you, and hope that decorum remains here of respecting opinions, which is all i have to offer.

If my opinion is no more valued and if chides you, i can spare you all the agony.

 

[forcetrip]

Those features are 'built-in' only in the sense that you are %99.999 forced to write the software for them. You can exclude them, if you chose.

Why are you so much 'forced' to write the software for them ?

The hardware of the AESA system make it so that if you do not take full advantage of its flexibility, you are a fool for choosing the AESA system. There really is no other way to describe it. If you do not have the money and/or the intellectual talents to exploit its full potential, then do not consider that route. Do not even assess the PESA alternative. It will be a waste of money. You installed 100 PESA systems into your 100 fighters fleet. When you finally have the money to upgrade, you will have to fight bureaucratic obstacles, operational constraints because you can only take a certain quantity of your fleet offline to do the upgrades, additional training to overcome entrenched familiarity, and the list goes on.

Either you go AESA, or you stay with what you have until you have the money and time to go all the way. This is why the decision to go AESA is so fraught with confusion and frustration.

Any feedback on this new radar? Pictures of the entire unit with is cooling system seem to be posted on here along with the translated specs.

 

[Dazzler]

i never claimed to be a source, or the source. Thank you for considering me as one even. I respect your sources and whatever they inform you, and hope that decorum remains here of respecting opinions, which is all i have to offer.

If my opinion is no more valued and if chides you, i can spare you all the agony.

The truth is that i look forward to read your posts and will do so in the future as well. Keep us novices informed.

Thanks.

 

[grey boy 2]

KLJ-7A "Active Phased Array Air-Borne Fire Control Radar" shown on the introduction sign

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

First, JF17 will remain a non-ITAR platform, for avionics and sensors. There can be made small exceptions but radar may not be one of them. Block 3 configuration is currently 50 aircraft. Some of the Blk 3 innovations may seep into Blk 2, and the redundant equipment will be reduced to spare to support Blk 1, unless Blk 1 is sold to off or completes its time. JF17 remains a airframe separated from avionics, and will continue upgrades in the future.



PAF will take the european radar in a second if it came integrated with an acceptable EW package. Chinese radar is bought due to availability. Most systems are bought now in Pakistan when the vendor confirms availability, as that seems to be our biggest issue. Any of the features that you mention : "As Bilal Khan mentioned, this radar was demonstrated to PAF almost a year ago and remains a favorite candidate for blk 3 due to comparitively better performance, speed, detection and tracking range and working modes." are a figment of your imagination.

Boils down to money.

Regarding the Italian AESA radar. Keep in mind that its vendor - i.e. Leonardo-Finmeccanica - basically sources its EW and ECM gear from Elettronica SpA (in whom Leonardo previously invested). The Typhoon DASS was developed by Elettronica. Interesting fact, Elettronica is also going to show up for IDEAS 2016 and if I am not mistaken (likely am due to hazy memory), Elettronica never showed up at IDEAS before. Elettronica already has RWR, MAWS, and DRFM jammer on the market and ready (the latter was selected by Mikoyan at one point for the MiG-35).

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Yes normally, but think about it this is just 600 mm in diameter with range of 170 km against 3 m2 targets..if 5 m2 targets than range is 200 km or more..So it might just be GaN..who knows

So from how much distance it can detect large RCS mki??

 

[aliyusuf]

Yes normally, but think about it this is just 600 mm in diameter with range of 170 km against 3 m2 targets..if 5 m2 targets than range is 200 km or more..So it might just be GaN..who knows!

Well in my humble opinion and just to set the record straight, if the figure of 170km is true for 3m2 RCS targets, then for 5m2 RCS targets it would be ...
= (5/3)^0.25 X 170
= 193.16 km ... not 200km or more

 

[Faiez]

KLJ-7A "Active Phased Array Air-Borne Fire Control Radar" shown on the introduction sign

what is advantage of this ?

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

what is advantage of this ?

LPI, TWS, AA, AG, SAR, ECM, ECCM, DL, NC, +MTBF -MTTR, +SA,

 

[Tempest II]

LPI, TWS, AA, AG, SAR, ECM, ECCM, DL, NC, +MTBF -MTTR, +SA,

LOL

 

[Faiez]

LPI, TWS, AA, AG, SAR, ECM, ECCM, DL, NC, +MTBF -MTTR, +SA,

lol, can you write the full forms of this (or lead me to wiki etc)...I don't know much about radar technologies.

 

[The Eagle]

LPI, TWS, AA, AG, SAR, ECM, ECCM, DL, NC, +MTBF -MTTR, +SA,

Lol...... That was a close call.... Sir.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

lol, can you write the full forms of this (or lead me to wiki etc)...I don't know much about radar technologies.

I leave that to the experts and their internal informants.

Lol...... That was a close call.... Sir.

Indeed, lets have the Tanks work on this one, i am just a retired stick jockey.

 

[Faiez]

I leave that to the experts and their internal informants.

Got this much through google :

SAR = Specific absorption rate
ECM = Electronic Countermeasures.
ECCM = Electronic Counter Countermeasures.
+MTBF = positive mean time before failure, that's a common figure in electronics.
-MTTR = reduced mean time to repair.

 

[syed_yusuf]

KLJ-7A "Active Phased Array Air-Borne Fire Control Radar" shown on the introduction sign

Is this an AESA radar or PESA radar? is there any difference ?