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A JF-17 fighter jet attached to the Pakistan Air Force flies towards the designated airspace during an air-to-ground offensive operation drill conducted by two Chinese JH-7 fighter bombers and two Pakistani JF-17 fighter jets on Sept. 20, 2017, which is part of the "Shaheen VI " joint training exercise launched by the air forces of China and Pakistan on Sept. 8 and scheduled to conclude on Sept. 27, 2017. Photo: eng.chinamil.com.cn



The latest, upgraded version of the JF-17 fighter jet has recently been spotted equipped with China's most advanced air-to-air combat missile that is also used by China's J-20 stealth aircraft, with military observers saying on Thursday that the weapon will give the China-Pakistan jointly developed light fighter the upper hand against its counterparts in dogfights and make it one of the world's best in its class.

A photo recently circulating on social media shows a JF-17 Block 3 fighter jet with the serial number "3001" on a test flight, eastday.com, a Shanghai-based news website, reported on Wednesday.

This is the first time the aircraft with this particular serial number has been seen by the general public, and a PL-10 air-to-air combat missile can be seen on the tip of each of its wings, the report said, without revealing the date and location.

As the short-range combat missile also used by China's most advanced J-20 stealth fighter jet and others, the PL-10 represents the highest level of its kind, and previous JF-17s are equipped with the old PL-5, eastday.com reported.

Observers said that the PL-10 equipped by the JF-17 Block 3 is likely an export variation, the PL-10E, which made its debut at the Airshow China 2018 in Zhuhai, South China's Guangdong Province.

The PL-10E is a domestically developed, fourth generation air-to-air missile, and is one of the most advanced in the world that is on par with the US'AIM-9X, Liang Xiaogeng, chief designer of the missile, told the Global Times on the sidelines of the exhibition in 2018.

Thanks to its infrared-homing, extreme aerodynamic design and other advanced technologies, no aircraft, even stealth ones, can escape from the PL-10, eastday.com reported, also citing Liang.

With the PL-10, the JF-17 Block 3 will gain tremendous dogfight capability and have an edge even against its heavier opposing counterparts in homeland air defense, a Beijing-based military expert told the Global Times on Thursday, requesting anonymity.

In addition to the PL-10, the JF-17 Block 3 also received a more advanced radar, as China Central Television reported on Saturday that the fighter jet is equipped with the KLJ-7A airborne active electronically scanned array fire control radar.

The radar is of the most advanced level in the world, Hu Mingchun, director of the No.14 Research Institute at the state-owned China Electronics Technology Group Co, told the Global Times at the 9th World Radar Expo in Nanjing, East China's Jiangsu Province, last week.

The first JF-17 Block 3 prototype, with serial number "3000", was taken into the skies for the first time in December 2019 in Chengdu, Southwest China's Sichuan Province, Beijing-based Aerospace Knowledge magazine reported at that time.

Other technologies, including a new and larger holographic wide-angle head-up display and integrated cockpit display similar to the one used by the J-20, in addition to an advanced infrared missile approach warning system used by the J-10C, J-16 and J-20 fighter jets, are also used on the JF-17 Block 3, Aerospace Knowledge said.

The JF-17 Block 3 will be one of the world's most powerful light fighter jets, experts said.

The Block 1 and 2 versions of the JF-17 can also use new radars and missiles for upgrades, analysts said.
 
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Other technologies, including a new and larger holographic wide-angle head-up display and integrated cockpit display similar to the one used by the J-20, in addition to an advanced infrared missile approach warning system used by the J-10C, J-16 and J-20 fighter jets, are also used on the JF-17 Block 3, Aerospace Knowledge said.

The JF-17 Block 3 will be one of the world's most powerful light fighter jets, experts said.

The Block 1 and 2 versions of the JF-17 can also use new radars and missiles for upgrades, analysts said.
 
It does not mentioned HMD/S - S is missing. Indicative HOBS/Sights not being delivered.

Amf Cheif interview on sep 6 program mention jmx or something plus capability to look outside in all directions etc is refernce to hmd
 
8 JF-17 (brought to Block I)
42 JF-17 Block I
59 JF-17 Block II
26 JF-17B Block II
=
134 total
Plus one prototype PT-4 but that is PAC operated I think, not used operationally by PAF.
Three were diverted to Nigeria (Block II #60 to #62).
Dont forget miyam
Or.no. 5 additional changes are anticipated in coming 2.years that are not disclosed yet
Means homework form Block 4 ...:-)
 
Yep a very good light fighter, much cheaper and not much worse than the Rafale that India has.

Rafale is unmaintainable. It does not share a common supply chain in terms of parts or munitions with India's other fighters like the Su-30 MKK, Mig-21, Mig-29 or Tejas. It does not have a compatible datalink. There's no way for it to talk to India's other planes other than standard voice radio.

Yes in a vacuum, 1v1 in open airspace scenario with newly fueled and maintained planes, the Rafale could have an advantage over the JF-17. But in a real shooting war where maintenance and supply chain logistics matter, the JF-17 is at a clear advantage.
 
Ra*-Fail of the IAF ( I Always Fail) is going to get the shock at the hands of the PAF as usual......

*Ra: the principal false god of the Firaun. A single stroke of his stick on the ground, and Hazret-i Musa (AS) sent the Firaun’s entire army under the Red Sea! Nobody has heard from them ever since

#Qatar Air Force has operationalized 30 Rafaels. Turkey maintains a number of bases inside Qatar, who is a minor stake holder in the Turkish defense projects
##Both Greece and India will be operating Rafaels
###Turkey is countering Rafaels with F16s having indigenous AESA radar, WVR/BVR missiles, EW pods, SOJ (Stand-off jammer) aircrafts, ground/sea based long range EW+AD etc.....
 
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What can make JF-17 beat Rafale? Are you guys high? Here it is talking about PL-15 and PL-10 missile which J-20 surely uses but so what. That's like if I say F-5 uses same missile as F-22 must be F-5 in league of F-22? Of course jeff will use the missiles used by PLAAF. In fact PL-15 and PL-10 are coming to 10 years old.

Rafale needs to be matched by more JF-17. A PL-15 and better radar for jeff will help in modern era but luckily IAF is not modern and even Su-30MKI is not a strong fighter in BVR. India is already buying new missiles and with more range. They will have their own new generation missiles too. Rafale is just bonus and already in IAF. To counter rafale, PAF will need to use more numbers. One Rafale can carry 6 Meteors or more with similar range boost as JF-17 with three fuel tank. Every Rafale needs two JF-17 with four PL-15 each.
 
What can make JF-17 beat Rafale? Are you guys high? Here it is talking about PL-15 and PL-10 missile which J-20 surely uses but so what. That's like if I say F-5 uses same missile as F-22 must be F-5 in league of F-22? Of course jeff will use the missiles used by PLAAF. In fact PL-15 and PL-10 are coming to 10 years old.

Rafale needs to be matched by more JF-17. A PL-15 and better radar for jeff will help in modern era but luckily IAF is not modern and even Su-30MKI is not a strong fighter in BVR. India is already buying new missiles and with more range. They will have their own new generation missiles too. Rafale is just bonus and already in IAF. To counter rafale, PAF will need to use more numbers. One Rafale can carry 6 Meteors or more with similar range boost as JF-17 with three fuel tank. Every Rafale needs two JF-17 with four PL-15 each.



A realistic assessment.


Rafale > Gripen E ~ JF-17 Block 3.


Luckily for PAF, JF-17 Block 3 will probably cost around half as much to buy and operate as Rafale and so it should at least have similar numbers of JF-17 Block 3s as IAF Rafales.
 

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