JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Pakistani Fighter]

Should be.

Quoting @messiach from October 2019,

"CFT are used on as required basis. Yes block3 wings, LERX and posteior fuselage has been re-worked from scratch. Increased payload and fuel capacity. It will harbor a posterior spine similar to B eventually."

Would JF 17 Blk 3 carry 4 PL 15s under its wings and 2 PL 10s on wing tips?

Nice. I wonder when PL-21 becomes available possible our fighters be able to carry it, that should be compared me Meteor — if according to Messiach the wings been strengthened or possible reinforced for more PL-15. For PL 21s, U need better radars

Hope we see some images soon.

Compared? PL 15 is said to be the longest AAM. Longer Range than Meteor and AIM 120D.

 

[GumNaam]

Air to air refuelers.

ah...muchas gracias.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Compared? PL 15 is said to be the longest AAM. Longer Range than Meteor and AIM 120D.

Chinese VLRAAM/Russian R-37 Arrow/KS-172
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novator_KS-172
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-37_(missile)
PL-X

The latest images (November 2016) indicated a new large VLRAAM is under development and its exact designation is unknown (PL-17?) . Compared to PL-12, it has 4 tail control fins only (coupled with TVC?) and is significantly longer and thicker than PL-12 (length 5.7m, diameter 300mm). Its large size suggests the missile actually belongs to a new class of VLRAAM and not a PL-12 replacement. As the result it cannot be carried internally by the 4th generation fighters such as J-20 but is expected to be carried externally by 3.5th generation long-range fighters/interceptors such as J-11D and J-16. However it may still be carried externally by J-20 underneath its wings. The missile appears to be propelled by a dual pulse rocket motor in favor of a ramjet engine, which has a smaller drag and a slimmer size. It is also speculated to fly a semi-ballistic trajectory similar to American AIM-54 in order to achieve an extra long range (range>300km, speed>Mach 4, cruising altitude 30km). PL-X is believed to feature an advanced guidance system including a two-way datalink and a new active AESA seeker with enhanced ECCM capability. Before the launch the missile must obtain the target information via datalink from an AWACS, a land-based long-range radar or even a satellite. The launch aircraft disengages right after releasing the missile. After the initial ascent stage, the missile may use Beidou+INS+datalink guidance during the mid-course cruising stage. At the terminal diving stage, in combination with the AESA seeker, it may also use an IIR seeker as indicated by a small optical window in its nose, which further increases its kill probability amid severe jamming. Therefore this VLRAAM could pose a serious threat to high-value aerial targets deep behind the enemy line such as AWACS and tankers, and currently is the only type in this class. It was rumored in November 2016 that a PL-X was test-fired successfully from a J-16.
- Last Updated 10/2/19

 

[Dazzler]

EHUD-2 looks similar to EFTs HUD

 

[Shah_Deu]

EHUD-2 looks similar to EFTs HUD

Probably the singular components of the EFTs HUD are also 'Made in China', hence the similarities. LOL

 

[Ultima Thule]

Probably the singular components of the EFTs HUD are also 'Made in China', hence the similarities. LOL

cant' China invent similar HUD to EF-2000 HUD

 

[Bilal.]

EHUD-2 looks similar to EFTs HUD

And Gripen.

 

[Shah_Deu]

cant' China invent similar HUD to EF-2000 HUD

Ofcourse it can, afterall its all about the integration of singular components to design a product to deliver the desired results. With such an advanced Electronic, IT and VI industry, China is sooner than later going to produce defence products far superior to the europeans. It usually takes a little time before the defence technologies start having the trickle down effect from the industrial technolgies. I know this because i am based in Germany and the Europeans in general suck at Electronics and IT (excel in mechanics and optics; look at jet engines). Look how they are being beaten in E-mobility (minus IC Engines) in the Automotive sector where China and US are mainly leading the deveopments.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Ofcourse it can, afterall its all about the integration of singular components to design a product to deliver the desired results. With such an advanced Electronic, IT and VI industry, China is sooner than later going to produce defence products far superior to the europeans. It usually takes a little time before the defence technologies start having the trickle down effect from the industrial technolgies. I know this because i am based in Germany and the Europeans in general suck at Electronics and IT (excel in mechanics and optics; look at jet engines). Look how they are being beaten in E-mobility in the Automotive sector where China and US are mainly leading the deveopments.

This HUD ( which are used in Block-3) is based on J-20 HUD as most source says so its if not better then at least equal to EF-2000 HUD, And they are already surpassed EU in many fields, nut most weakest point is defiantly JET ENGINE but remember they are quite new in engine development fields as compare to USA/EU/Russia, you have decades of experience but they started their engine (from scratch
) development in early to Mid 90s

 

[Shah_Deu]

This HUD ( which are used in Block-3) is based on J-20 HUD as most source says so its if not better then at least equal to EF-2000 HUD, And they are already surpassed EU in many fields, nut most weakest point is defiantly JET ENGINE but remember they are quite new in engine development fields as compare to USA/EU/Russia, you have decades of experience but they started their engine (from scratch
) development in early to Mid 90s

The thing is, Europeans and Americans are technologically leading the world since 1500s and 1600s and are still not ready to accept the fact that china has surpassed them in many fields and hence they create the impression that chinese products are inferior to the european and american products. It is all about the state of mind, they need some time before they wont be able to reject this reality any more. Since the US and EU have been testing their products in the artificially designed bullying wars (Vietnam, Iraq, Libya etc), they didnt let any opportunity go to test their products in realtime scenarios. The only thing Chinese defence industry needs now is time - for the users to test its produts in the real world scenarios and let the products speak for themselves.

 

[Umar Nazir]

lot of fruitful debate on block-3 on this forum. can any expert tell in just one line that where block-3 stand against F-16 block 50/52 ??

 

[NA71]

side-by-side

 

[SD 10]

lot of fruitful debate on block-3 on this forum. can any expert tell in just one line that where block-3 stand against F-16 block 50/52 ??

IF Radar is confirmed as kjl7-A then in my opinion in radar and bvr department it will outshine block 52. but then i am not a expert..

 

[ABBASIA]

lot of fruitful debate on block-3 on this forum. can any expert tell in just one line that where block-3 stand against F-16 block 50/52 ??

JF-17 block 3 trumps out F-16 Blk52 because of its AESA radar and PL-15 combination.

 

[Armchair]

lot of fruitful debate on block-3 on this forum. can any expert tell in just one line that where block-3 stand against F-16 block 50/52 ??

My thoughts would be:
JFT better radar and EW suite

F16 52 - better speed, range, time on station and better at air superiority missions due to superior high altitude and high speed performance.