JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

[Dazzler]

The Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology’s (NRIET’s) KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar is being considered for use with China’s J-20 multirole ‘fifth-generation’ fighter aircraft, a Chinese industry source has told Jane’s .

The radar, a mock-up of which was displayed by NRIET in a three-array configuration at the Airshow China 2018 on 6–11 November, is one of the options being evaluated for use on the platform, said the source, without providing further details.

The KLJ-7A is an advanced variant of the KLJ-7 (also referred to as Type 1478) X-band airborne fire-control radar (FCR) that has previously been presented in a number of different configurations.

https://www.janes.com/article/84652...-considered-for-china-s-j-20-fighter-aircraft

Its their opinion, far from truth.

 

[LKJ86]

Its their opinion, far from truth.

Have you seen the mockup of JF-17 BLK III?
China wouldn't show something when it is just opinion.

Unlike the west...

 

[The Eagle]

Ten means two new under wing and single under intake for pod ??

You are right my friend.

 

[python-000]

Have you seen the mockup of JF-17 BLK III?
China wouldn't show something when it is just opinion.

Unlike the west...

No we didn't see any pic of block 3 but pretty sure that you my brother defiantly know something about block 3...

 

[serenity]

The Nanjing Research Institute of Electronics Technology’s (NRIET’s) KLJ-7A active electronically scanned-array (AESA) radar is being considered for use with China’s J-20 multirole ‘fifth-generation’ fighter aircraft, a Chinese industry source has told Jane’s .

The radar, a mock-up of which was displayed by NRIET in a three-array configuration at the Airshow China 2018 on 6–11 November, is one of the options being evaluated for use on the platform, said the source, without providing further details.

The KLJ-7A is an advanced variant of the KLJ-7 (also referred to as Type 1478) X-band airborne fire-control radar (FCR) that has previously been presented in a number of different configurations.

https://www.janes.com/article/84652...-considered-for-china-s-j-20-fighter-aircraft

There was some confusion when this came out last year. This is not true at all. J-20's AESA unit is long ago selected and been deployed since introduction to PLAAF. The claim that KLJ-7A is considered for J-20 is from marketing at a show where the developer wants to include J-20's name into their product because one of the basis for their product is contending for J-20 maybe in future with side arrays. Side arrays are not that useful and require more power from engines which are now Al-31 and WS-10 based types. Maybe in future with WS-15 engine, we can use powerful new AESA unit with two side array.

So the marketing idea is to promote their smaller AESA unit for other fighters regardless which because the developer may have future chance to have one of their units in working onboard the future J-20.

My opinion is JF-17 III will use a Chinese AESA to fire PL-10 and PL-15 missiles. European radar will not be compatible with Chinese missiles. Unless Pakistan wants to buy Meteor and Mica or Magic, Iris-t whatever. I don't think NATO will allow so either stay using PL-12 and older missiles or use Chinese AESA with PL-10 and PL-15. Side array are useless and require more power from engine which already is weak point of JF-17. The selected radar should be a small and inexpensive AESA without side array and capable of firing newer missiles and smart weapons being developed in future for upgrades.

 

[Shane]

Possible options for JF17 Block III JHMCS like HMDS and there is also the IRST; Some goodies in clear view on J10C in Picture below:

 

[HRK]

If not, what is the usage/ benefit of over compatible radar on it. OR just to milk the customers for overly priced fighter justifying the price with over compatible integration of components. The usual USA way to sell her items with higher price tag.
Could you enlighten me for it?

AESA radar are force multiplier system, their capabilities to detect, track and engage multiple targets could be useful to guide BVR missiles to the targets launched from legacy platforms (in terms of Radar technology or RCS measurements) from safer distance.

So in netcentric environment the capability of tracking and guiding additional missiles then number of missiles an F-22 or F-35 can carry relief the need to field all AESA based VLO platform in the air battle to some degree

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

we will already have 18 brand new Block 52

Not brand new. We need Block 72s armed with AIM 120Ds

 

[PakAlp]

Not brand new. We need Block 72s armed with AIM 120Ds

We might be able to get 2nd hand f16s fitted with Turkish avionics, Aesa radar, hmds, with usa missiles. If these are compatible. Block 72s or F16V seems out of our reach.

 

[CHI RULES]

We might be able to get 2nd hand f16s fitted with Turkish avionics, Aesa radar, hmds, with usa missiles. If these are compatible. Block 72s or F16V seems out of our reach.

If Pakistan cannot afford V upgrade then rest assured that Turkish gadgets shall not be far less in cost from V upgrade avionics then we shall have to scrap whole fleet after few more years.

If Pakistan cannot afford V upgrade then rest assured that Turkish gadgets shall not be far less in cost from V upgrade avionics then we shall have to scrap whole fleet after few more years.

Further can any one quote the per unit price of Block 72 and for V upgrade cost per unit.

 

[PakAlp]

Turkish domestic f16 systems.
SPEWS-11
With its radar warning receiver, the SPEWS-II system can detect radar signals coming from homing missiles and warn the jet's pilot. The system's electronic countermeasure capabilities allow it to confuse the signals that enable missiles to find planes and to deceive the missiles by sending signals showing the aircraft in different locations

 

[The Eagle]

Thread subject is...

JF-17 Block-3 -- Updates, News & Discussion

so, please stay on topic.

 

[Syed1.]

Would love to know if PAC has our young talent working at CAC for Block 3 development in Chengdu, I imagine language would be bit of a barrier.

We need a critical mass of well trained and adept engineers, designers and technicians for Project Azm to truly take off.

 

[FuturePAF]

We are entering Q4 of 2019, any indication the Block III will be revealed publicly, this year or early next year, from any open-sources? With the J-10CE HMCS picture, it is more confirmation that all sub-systems the PAF could want seem to have a Chinese option that matches anything the Western suppliers can offer.

Ergo, Unless there are integration issues or air frame design work, there doesn't seem to be any other reason the PAF would choose to build more Block II over building the Block III, considering it would in the future try to upgrade any Block I and II to the Block III standard.

 

[aftab_s81]

We are entering Q4 of 2019, any indication the Block III will be revealed publicly, this year or early next year, from any open-sources? With the J-10CE HMCS picture, it is more confirmation that all sub-systems the PAF could want seem to have a Chinese option that matches anything the Western suppliers can offer.

Ergo, Unless there are integration issues or air frame design work, there doesn't seem to be any other reason the PAF would choose to build more Block II over building the Block III, considering it would in the future try to upgrade any Block I and II to the Block III standard.

In their latest article, @Quwa states that March 2020 is the unveiling date for block 3.