JF-17 (2P29) arrives in Pakistan

[GURU DUTT]

@GURU DUTT , i would like to correct you on one more account here. You do not "rest your case", it have been laid down to rest by facts presented by so many posters here.

No shame in admitting when you are wrong and your beating about the bush attitude about this is not something people here do not understand or notice.

as i said earlier saeen ji im here to increase my knowledge in this subject thanks for pointing out my mistakes

 

[Tipu7]

You are not here to increase your knowledge.
You are here to troll or create confusion at best.

If you really want to "learn" any thing then first step is to admit own mistake and give others a chance to correct your mistake. And you slip in very first stage of learning almost every time when ever I see you on PDF bouncing here and there on different topics like a ping pong ball.......

Though I still like your habit of avoiding abusive language..... but I still hate you when you deliberately upload samosa - pakora pics on non relevant threads to test the "emaan" of Rozadaar members ......

as i said earlier saeen ji im here to increase my knowledge in this subject thanks for pointing out my mistakes

 

[zebra7]

For IRST the PAF could go for a podded solution using an off-the-shelf design. This is what the U.S. is doing with its F-16 an F-15s (via the Legion IRST pod).

That would take one hardpoint.

Any way, I think, for JF-17, PAF should go for PESA Radar, with the movable gimlet, just like the current KJ-7 v2 MMR.
JF-17 design and goal, was always Bang for the Buck, and if PESA anteena is designed properly, it gives equal performance and capability like the AESA , but cuts the cost and only advantage of AESA the Reliability with overhead of the Heat Generation, and power requirement. This would allow PAF to save money, and then go for some higher end platform, with AESA.

Off the shelf solution like Raven and Skyward IRST would increase the price of the JF-17 and would kill the whole idea of JF-17. China had made few breakthough in the IRST sensors and Chinese OEMs are offering the IRST solutions.
Disclaimers -- This is my views, and the last decission is with the PAF and pakistanis.

 

[Dazzler]

as i said earlier saeen ji im here to increase my knowledge in this subject thanks for pointing out my mistakes

Somehow i have serious reservations on this notion of yours, what you have been doing on this forum is anything but "learning".

 

[Blue Marlin]

That would take one hardpoint.

Any way, I think, for JF-17, PAF should go for PESA Radar, with the movable gimlet, just like the current KJ-7 v2 MMR.
JF-17 design and goal, was always Bang for the Buck, and if PESA anteena is designed properly, it gives equal performance and capability like the AESA , but cuts the cost and only advantage of AESA the Reliability with overhead of the Heat Generation, and power requirement. This would allow PAF to save money, and then go for some higher end platform, with AESA.

Off the shelf solution like Raven and Skyward IRST would increase the price of the JF-17 and would kill the whole idea of JF-17. China had made few breakthough in the IRST sensors and Chinese OEMs are offering the IRST solutions.
Disclaimers -- This is my views, and the last decission is with the PAF and pakistanis.

the jf-17 is a moduelar bird so if requested by a client they can have whatever they want. kinda like the t-50 from korea/usa you can have your choice of engine, radar, avonics suite etc.. same thing goes here but obivously you need the money to develop such changes.
according the professionals here they will go for western kit over chinese, and thats what they are doing. the chinese are catching up at an astronomical pace. in about 5 years they will be par with western kit except for engine development wich will take a few years longer. the italians have always done good business with pakistan as they have sold kit to them before so this time wont be too differant. besides if that fails then they can go to china

 

[volatile]

That would take one hardpoint.

As per some members @MastanKhan due to flat wheel base ,but there is news regarding strengthening of underbelly and we all know most of the modern aeroplanes carries these pods (IRST/SNIPER/EW) under belly most of the time .So not necessarily a hard point can be taken

Off the shelf solution like Raven and Skyward IRST would increase the price of the JF-17 and would kill the whole idea of JF-17. China had made few breakthough in the IRST sensors and Chinese OEMs are offering the IRST solutions.
Disclaimers -- This is my views, and the last decision is with the PAF and pakistanis.

We have to really see what will be the actual per unit cost and if you are shopping for more than 100+ systems im sure companies like VIXEN,RAVEN will share some good prices coupled with Export potentials by the way any idea about price for any of these systems .

IRST im not sure of PAF interest at this moment in this system but AESL POD for precision strike is definitely there so AESA is there ,it will be interested to know how and when these will be integrated

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

That would take one hardpoint.

Any way, I think, for JF-17, PAF should go for PESA Radar, with the movable gimlet, just like the current KJ-7 v2 MMR.
JF-17 design and goal, was always Bang for the Buck, and if PESA anteena is designed properly, it gives equal performance and capability like the AESA , but cuts the cost and only advantage of AESA the Reliability with overhead of the Heat Generation, and power requirement. This would allow PAF to save money, and then go for some higher end platform, with AESA.

Off the shelf solution like Raven and Skyward IRST would increase the price of the JF-17 and would kill the whole idea of JF-17. China had made few breakthough in the IRST sensors and Chinese OEMs are offering the IRST solutions.
Disclaimers -- This is my views, and the last decission is with the PAF and pakistanis.

HOWEVER, the AESA and IRST would also allow interdiction of the near term threat and evolving threat. Hence the investment in these technologies is inevitable.

 

[Areesh]

Somehow i have serious reservations on this notion of yours, what you have been doing on this forum is anything but "learning".

@GURU DUTT didn't learn sh!t when he used to go school. Ab yahan kia khaak seekhai ga.

 

[GURU DUTT]

@GURU DUTT didn't learn sh!t when he used to go school. Ab yahan kia khaak seekhai ga.

to guya sab ke sab mere khilaaf hain yahan

 

[Arsalan]

to guya sab ke sab mere khilaaf hain yahan

Dont you worry,, ALLLLLL of these are people are wrong and it is you alone who must be right

 

[GURU DUTT]

Dont you worry,, ALLLLLL of these are people are wrong and it is you alone who must be right

shukria , karam, meherbaanee, nawaazish saaeen ji

 

[MastanKhan]

As per some members @MastanKhan due to flat wheel base ,but there is news regarding strengthening of underbelly and we all know most of the modern aeroplanes carries these pods (IRST/SNIPER/EW) under belly most of the time .So not necessarily a hard point can be taken

Hi,

The low profile will not effect the installation of and Irst under the belly---because it is a small unit---and there are no explosives in it.

The Hatf 8 is a massive ordinance full of fuel and explosives---.

The reason for the low cost of the JF17 aircraft in itself is that we can splurge money on the accessories---ie---avionics and weapons---fire control radar etc etc etc---.

If the paf ends up spending 35---40 mil an aircraft with the best available EW package---it means that they have succeeded in one of their goals.

The cost of production is low because the labor and facilities are less expensive---just change it to european labor cost and the aircraft would be in similar price range to that of the Gripen.

Again---I believe that many a posters are misunderstanding the " low cost " comments regarding the JF17.

This low cost----is only for the body and engine and glass display cockpit---the fly away aircraft minus the EW package---.

And one more time----this low cost allows us to spend money elsewhere on the aircraft.

 

[SQ8]

For IRST the PAF could go for a podded solution using an off-the-shelf design. This is what the U.S. is doing with its F-16 an F-15s (via the Legion IRST pod).

Which would be?

The basic issue is where the pods would go and the associated weight penalty. A pod is still something hanging off the aircraft and is a source of drag.

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Oscar

Please ban @GURU DUTT from PAF section. I have to go through his pathetic yapping while looking for some information. This section doesn't deserve this.

@Arsalan

Please don't respond to trolls. This member is known for his pathetic trolling and his pleadings when he's about to get what's coming to him.

 

[Quwa]

Which would be?

The basic issue is where the pods would go and the associated weight penalty. A pod is still something hanging off the aircraft and is a source of drag.

The Leonardo/Finmeccanica Skyward is podable.

"SkyWard has been designed and developed to satisfy the more demanding requirements of 5th generation fighter aircraft with an embedded solution. A pod configuration is also available to allow easy installation on existing platform."

http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/skyward-1

As for the weight and drag issue, Leonardo claims that the Skyward's sensor and power units together weigh 55kg. Let's say it's 225kg for the pod (around the weight of Legion).