Jesus Christ has no mention in history : PM IMRAN Khan

[Lincoln]

There is a big debate among Christians about the Jesus. The guy they present as Jesus looks like a European while Jesus was a born in middle-east (Palestine) and never went to Europe. The best account of Prophet Esa is in the holy Quran.

You really can't twist and defend this statement, his statement is about as literal with clear context as it gets.

 

[FalconStar]

For everyone who is going crazy after this statement of PMIK needs to realize he said Hazrat Isa (PBUH) not Jesus Christ.
We know it's the reference to the same person, but westerners have a very different idea of Jesus. We only consider Hazrat Isa (PBUH) as a Prophet.
Thus the only things known about Hazrat Isa (PBUH) we can completely trust to be true are the ones mentioned in the Quran. Apart from that everything known about him is provided by the Bible and the Christian Church, which cannot be considered as authentic because Quran says the previous books have been changed from their original form.

Globally, people go by the calendar AD, and as muslims, we also have so much about Isa (AS) in our Islamic books, and even then, there's a whole religion based on him and their is so much history about him. It is so dumb of him to make that comment. Sometimes, I think he doesn't think before he speaks.

So you choose to believe the stuff told about a Prophet by the people who worship him?
Hazrat Isa (PBUH) was just a Prophet and nothing more but the people who wrote his history make him to be something else and we cant believe what they say is true because Quran says that it is superior to the books which came before as they are not in their original form.

 

[valkyr_96]

I think factually PM IK migt be right. Jesus has only impact on the scriptural domain. That is strictly the Christian bible and theological works. However Prophet Muhammed PBUH impact spills well beyond the scriptural domain. We had a empire being formed that occupied land, a state that ruled a geography, that fought wars, that conquered etc thus even if you dismiss faith and it's consequences in the case of Prophet Mohammed PBUH nobody can ignore the very real history of Medina and the state that grew from there to go onto conquer and become a empire. Therefore it had real, hard impact on the temporal plane. That is normative history.

Which is not the case of Jesus. Sans the faith there is no footprint on history whatsoever. It's like invisible gravity.

you do have a point but Hazrat Isa AS is not just limited to biblical works he is also mentioned in the Quran and is also referenced by the Jews. Yes it is strange that the so called recorded history barely ever mentions any of the prophets.

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if you dont have access to Mecca or medina, one can only come up with this type of lunacy.

 

[CriticalThought]

There is a big debate among Christians about the Jesus. The guy they present as Jesus looks like a European while Jesus was a born in middle-east (Palestine) and never went to Europe. The best account of Prophet Esa is in the holy Quran.

Are you defending him? Are these words which a Musiim with faith in his heart utter out of his mouth? These are views of jewish scholars who try to downplay the very existence of Hazrat 'Isa 'Alaihissalam. The more this man opens his mouth, the more he reveals his total cluelessness about Islam.

 

[valkyr_96]

yes. i wonder if this came from his wife writing the narrative.
amazing... foot and mouth disease making rounds across the globe in leaders.
man...

You probably wanted to to say foot in mouth disease which is a cheeky way of describing the supposed predicament while referencing an actual ailment. The clip is cut to make a point and does not provide the question to which the musings were presented. As it has already been said while the recorded history does mention the spread of religions and it's influence over kings and rulers and people, barely if any is recorded about the prophets rest assured Jesus or Hazrat Isa AS is a part of a Muslim's faith.

 

[Canuck786]

The companion part of his statement was about the history of Hazrat Musa.

As we all know his first legitimate marriage was to a person of Jewish decent. In fact he supported his Jewish ex brother-in-law in elections for London Mayor after his divorce with Jemima Goldsmith. I believe he (Zac Goldsmith) was running against a Muslim of Pakistani decent (Sadiq Khan) if I am not wrong. May be at some point in the past he was told by his then extended family that there is a history about Hazrat Musa but not Hazrat Eisa. You know how some sects would twist facts to their advantage.

I think our prime minister should be extra careful about what he says. I think he could gain a lot of political mileage if he just remained quiet.

 

[Lincoln]

For everyone who is going crazy after this statement of PMIK needs to realize he said Hazrat Isa (PBUH) not Jesus Christ.
We know it's the reference to the same person, but westerners have a very different idea of Jesus. We only consider Hazrat Isa (PBUH) as a Prophet.
Thus the only things known about Hazrat Isa (PBUH) we can completely trust to be true are the ones mentioned in the Quran. Apart from that everything known about him is provided by the Bible and the Christian Church, which cannot be considered as authentic because Quran says the previous books have been changed from their original form.


So you choose to believe the stuff told about a Prophet by the people who worship him?
Hazrat Isa (PBUH) was just a Prophet and nothing more but the people who wrote his history make him to be something else and we cant believe what they say is true because Quran says that it is superior to the books which came before as they are not in their original form.

No shit but it doesn't change the fact there's a lot about Hazrat Isa (AS) in history, both in Islamic textures, and other textures, as well as general history.

 

[Canuck786]

BTW the four main Christian Gospels of the New Testament - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John depicting life of Hazrat Eisa were written somewhere in 70 - 100 AD which shows there is a history.

 

[jupiter2007]

So what? He is politician not historian.

BTW the four main Christian Gospels depicting life of Hazrat Eisa were written somewhere in 70 - 100 AD which shows there is a history.

1st of all, someone need to ask IK if he means world history or reference from Quran? If he is talking about world history, then what is mentioned in the history about Jesus was the view of St.paul which is false. Christianity is based on Paul doctrine which is mix of Egyptian, Greek and Roman believes.
Concept of Father (Osiris), Holy ghost (Isis) and Son (Horus).
Sunday worship from worshiping Sun God.

 

[FalconStar]

No shit but it doesn't change the fact there's a lot about Hazrat Isa (AS) in history, both in Islamic textures, and other textures, as well as general history.

Why doesn't a simple thing go through your mind that only history which should be believed by a Muslim about Hazrat Isa (PBUH) is the one mentioned in the Quran. Everything else is not believable because the people who wrote that history they also used to worship him.
So coming back to your point "General history and Other textures" are not a verified source of information for a Muslim regarding Prophets.

And when you are talking about Prophets the least you could do is watch your language.

 

[assasiner]

He is talking about human history not religious.Every aspect of prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) is documented even Moses but not Jesus Christ.

 

[Sliver]

the 43rd conference aimed at promoting religious harmony, tolerance, brotherhood and equality, respect for humanity, non-violence, unity, reconciliation and culture of dialogue.

and you do that by saying that all of Christianity is a lie (Jesus isnt mentioned in history)! great way to promote equality and respect among religions.

 

[doorstar]

BTW the four main Christian Gospels of the New Testament - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John depicting life of Hazrat Eisa were written somewhere in 70 - 100 AD which shows there is a history.

are they writing about isa son of Marriam or Jesus (the Son of God) the god of Trinitarians (latter is regarded as fiction in Islam)? thusly your whole comment falls flat on its backside!

and you do that by saying that all of Christianity is a lie (Jesus isnt mentioned in history)! great way to promote equality and respect among religions.

out of context crap cannot be used for any purpose other than trolling! PM. Khan did not NOT deny the existence of Christ/Jesus/Isa. Had he done so, All those molvis sat around him would have crucified him there and then.

 

[Canuck786]

He is talking about human history not religious.Every aspect of prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h) is documented even Moses but not Jesus Christ.

In Islam, ʿĪsā ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of God (Allah) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah (Christ), sent to guide the Children of Israel with a new revelation: al-Injīl (Arabic for "the gospel"). Jesus is believed to be a prophet who neither married nor had any children and is reflected as a significant figure, being found in the Quran in 93 verses with various titles attached such as "Son of Mary" and other relational terms, mentioned directly and indirectly, over 187 times. He is thus the most mentioned person in the Quran by reference; 25 times by the name Isa, third-person 48 times, first-person 35 times, and the rest as titles and attributes.

Source: Wikipedia; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

 

[prashantazazel]

He maybe correct. The existence of Jesus is disputed by historians, and there is no significant record of his existence.

 

[doorstar]

He maybe correct. The existence of Jesus is disputed by historians, and there is no significant record of his existence.

Not if you learn history from madaaris and/or freakin wikipedia