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JD(U) splits with BJP

Those who are saying that Instead of Modi Suaraj or Jately should be there
Let me tell you one thing

I am Voting for BJP just bcauz modi is in it & many of my friends relatives are voting just bcauz of this reason
My Uncle ( mama) who is posted in Bihar branch of SBI often asked many Biharis villagers & Urban ones
Kisko vote doghe
Seda Javab Modi Ko
 
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May be Nitish is inspired by the Odisha model of Biju JantaDal.............In 2004 when BJD & BJP were coalition partners their numbers in 147 assembly segments were BJD-61 & BJP-32...............But in 2009 election after Coalition break but the tallies are BJD-103 & BJP-6.....................
 
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Those who are saying that Instead of Modi Suaraj or Jately should be there
Let me tell you one thing

I am Voting for BJP just bcauz modi is in it & many of my friends relatives are voting just bcauz of this reason

This is the dilemma that the BJP faces. BJP voters are un-enthused by Advani, Jaitley, Sushma etc. That is what is forcing the BJP to turn to Modi. However while Modi might enthuse & improve BJP tally, his being there reduces the scope of alliances. The BJP is in a classic catch-22 situation.

May be Nitish is inspired by the Odisha model of Biju JantaDal.............In 2004 when BJD & BJP were coalition partners their numbers in 147 assembly segments were BJD-61 & BJP-32...............But in 2009 election after Coalition break but the tallies are BJD-103 & BJP-6.....................


Not strictly comparable. The BJP's base in Bihar is significantly stronger and its leaders are more prominent. More equal partners. Not so in Odisha.
 
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what ever front they make just keep the mamatha out of it, otherwise they will never allow any liberalization, privatization and surely will pull the plug on half way..same is true for left but I think they are more flexible compared to adamant and arrogant mamatha.

If we can have Jau+BJD+left+AAP(Aam Aadmi party).


Any body from Delhi ?? Is sheela ki jawani abhi bhi baki hai :p: ??? can AAP Can win a majority ??
 
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This is the dilemma that the BJP faces. BJP voters are un-enthused by Advani, Jaitley, Sushma etc. That is what is forcing the BJP to turn to Modi. However while Modi might enthuse & improve BJP tally, his being there reduces the scope of alliances. The BJP is in a classic catch-22 situation.




Not strictly comparable. The BJP's base in Bihar is significantly stronger and its leaders are more prominent. More equal partners. Not so in Odisha.

@Infinity is right....Nitish is actually trying pull a Naveen stunt...it wont work though..
 
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Nitish is actually trying pull a Naveen stunt...it wont work though..

Whether it works for Nitish or not, it damages the BJP severely. Whether the BJP can pull a rabbit out of its hat or not, the NDA tally(of 2009) in Bihar is unlikely to be replicated. Unlike Patnaik, Nitesh does not have to go for state elections in the near picture. He is probably gambling on the BJP's base fragmenting when not in power.
 
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Not strictly comparable. The BJP's base in Bihar is significantly stronger and its leaders are more prominent. More equal partners. Not so in Odisha.
But I don't think that Politician like Nitish is that fool to Dumb BJP for a loss.................
 
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But I don't think that Politician like Nitish is that fool to Dumb BJP for a loss.................

No, he isn't. He is playing a high stakes gamble which will get him great returns if he can pull it off. The BJP gave him no choice, really. Association with Modi would have damaged any chance of the JD(U) getting the Muslim votes who might then flock completely to the RJD. He will lose some upper caste votes by jettisoning the BJP but he is gambling that the consolidation of his base is better than being very dependent on the BJP for electoral success.
 
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Whether it works for Nitish or not, it damages the BJP severely. Whether the BJP can pull a rabbit out of its hat or not, the NDA tally(of 2009) in Bihar is unlikely to be replicated. Unlike Patnaik, Nitesh does not have to go for state elections in the near picture. He is probably gambling on the BJP's base fragmenting when not in power.

It does, but moraly speaking, I see it more personal than political. Nitish made a very bad move...
 
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Bihar MP seats: 40
Last time NDA Had 32 Seats..

worst case scenario:
If BJP manage to win 10-15 seats on its own, Loss will be of 15-20 seats... BJP may recover that loss if Modi name can fetch 30 seats additionally (to BJP).

Best case scenario: BJP wins 18-20 seats on its own in Bihar... The loss will be 10 and the gain will be 20.


If Muslim vote get divided btwn RJD, nitish and Kongess then BJP will gain. If Muslim vote polarized then BJP will definitely gain.
 
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Narendra Modi And Nitish Kumar: A tale two friends


Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar, the chief ministers of Gujarat and Bihar respectively, have, of late, been grabbing the headlines. Not only do their names begin with the same alphabet but they are also members of the same political alliance, NDA. But now, both are at loggerheads. At least it appears so. Very few people know that Nitish Kumar has had a sneaking admiration for Narendra Modi. In fact, I can detect a tinge of camaraderie in their present antagonism. Psychology says that love and hatred are the two sides of the same coin. Their friendship and enmity have got so intermingled that it is difficult to make out one from the other. I remember an incident. It was the summer of 2004. Lok Sabha results were out and in Bihar, the UPA under the leadership of Lalu Prasad Yadav had got a decisive lead. The NDA, led by George-Nitish had been badly mauled. Nitish ji came to my place.

He was free and so we talked for hours on everything under the sun. My contention was that the NDA had to bite the dust because of Narendra Modi. Nitish ji was not ready to concede my point. That I was opposed to Modi was quite palpable to him. In a somber and firm voice, Nitish ji said: "Narendra Modi is the new face of the BJP. He comes from a Most Backward Class. He is Ghanchi, a Ghanchi! It is a minority backward caste there. The BJP's Brahmin lobby is out to defame him. Even Vajpayee has joined its ranks. Modi is a dynamic man. Meet him once and you will become his admirer. He comes from a very poor family. He is extremely simple and very diligent." Nitish ji appeared to be in a state of trance. He was unstoppable. Then, fondly recalling an occasion when Modi played host to him, he concluded his monologue, "I have become his fan."

I am surprised how this fan of Modi's has turned his foe. Is this what is called politics? Is all this being done just to grab a share of the Muslim vote bank? Or, is there something more to it? I cannot say what the truth is. At the personal level, I am not in touch with Nitish ji. And surmises are, after all, only surmises. Some say that Nitish Kumar is indirectly helping Narendra Modi by keeping the latter constantly in the news. Who would not like such a friend? Maybe there is some truth in this conjecture but, publicly, Nitish has turned their relations quite bitter. Probably, he is hoping for some big gain. But is that possible? Narendra Modi is BJP's Prime Ministerial candidate. Nitish Kumar's eyes are also set on the same position. This clash of interests has turned friends into foes. What else can be expected in such circumstances? As far as I remember, in June 2010, just prior to the last Bihar Vidhan Sabha elections, Nitish Kumar had hosted a banquet at his official residence for the delegates of the BJP national executive meeting. However the banquet was cancelled at the last moment quoting an advertisement as an excuse. The said advertisement was inserted by a businessman in many newspapers. It included a photograph of Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar jointly campaigning for the 2009 Lok Sabha polls. The businessman wanted to welcome Modi to Bihar with this advertisement. However, Nitish Kumar went into such a tizzy that he even threw normal courtesies to the winds. The monetary aid extended by the Gujarat government for the flood victims of Bihar was also returned. Nitish did not want his close relations with Modi to be made public. The advertiser, probably, did not comprehend that some relations---especially those of love---are best kept private. Making them public is fraught with dangers. And that is what happened. The BJP leaders had to face humiliation. They bore it without demur. They are quite used to it. They had put up with the tantrums of Mayawati in Uttar Pradesh equally without complaint. These are the compulsions of alliance politics. The BJP doesn't mind being humiliated by persons from whom it hopes to benefit. And in this instance, the BJP is dependent on Nitish and not the other way round.

In the Presidential elections of 2012, Nitish did not support the BJP's candidate. He supported the Congress nominee Pranab Mukherjee and was once again patted on the back by the media for his "secularism". The media did not care to enlighten us as to what secularism had to do with this. Was the BJP-backed Sangma communal? And if not, does the Congress have a monopoly over secularism? Judging from Nitish's recent posturing, he seems to believe that he is the flag bearer-in-chief of secularism in the country and that the nation's secular polity would collapse without him. No one even tried to bring the reality to the fore - the reality that Pranab Mukherjee was more a nominee of the Ambanis than of the Congress. An envoy of the Ambani family is an MP from Nitish's party and he controls the entire party set-up. Those who are patting Nitish Kumar on the back should also remember that Bal Thakeray was also a member of the comity of leaders that supported Pranab Da.

I am not among those who have given a clean chit to Modi in the post-Godhra communal riots or have forgotten Advani's role in the Babri demolition. The 2002 riots in Gujarat were horrible and as chief minister, it was Modi's duty to stop the violence. I hold Modi guilty even today. But, was he alone guilty? At that time, Atal Behari Vaypayee's government was ruling at the Centre. Why did it not dismiss the Gujarat government? After all, Vajpayee had the precedent of dismissal of a string of state governments after the demolition of the Babri masjid. Just before the riots, the Bihar government was dismissed for the 'Senari massacre'. The Gujarat riots were much more serious and sinister than ‘Senari massacre'. When the Bihar government could be sacked for one single massacre why couldn't the government of Gujarat be dismissed? Was Modi alone guilty of not following the ‘rajdharma'? What sort of ‘rajdharma' was Vajpayee following? And Nitish Kumar--who considers Vajpayee a messiah--which ‘rajdharma' did he follow? It should not be forgotten that Nitish Kumar was the Railways minister when the Godhra train arson took place. Nitish Kumar, who had offered to resign after the Gaisal train mishap did not even care to visit the site of the Godhra tragedy. It is surprising that the same man is now sermonising to Modi and that too regarding riots. The role of both Narendra Modi and Nitish Kumar in the Godhra train tragedy is not above reproach. Both of them and subsequently their common political ideal, Atal Bihari Vajpayee,did not fulfill the ‘rajdharma'. Both are publicity-crazy and both are self-anointed ‘Vikash Purush'. As for their achievements, economic inequality had grown in both Bihar and Gujarat. In both the States, the rich have become more powerful while the poor have sunken deeper into misery.

But there are some crucial differences between Nitish Kumar and Narendra Modi. While Nitish Kumar comes from a kulak Kurmi family of Bihar, Narendra Modi hails from an extremely poor and most backward Class Ghanchi family of Gujarat. Nitish's father was an Ayervedic ‘Vaidyaraj' and a Congress leader while Narendra's father was a small-time tea vendor. Narendra Modi spent his childhood washing the used glasses at his father's shop when Nitish was studying Engineering, Narendra was the domestic helper in a lawyer family's home where his responsibilities included cleaning 9 rooms and preparing food for 15 members of the family. He somehow studied and acquired degrees by appearing in exams as private student. Whatever he learned, he learned in the school of hard knocks. He might be associated with rightist politics but his childhood was as full of struggle as that of the Russian writer Maxim Gorky. There is another crucial difference between Narendra and Nitish. Even as a chief minister, the former led a simple life. He maintained a safe Distance from sycophants. He also avoided associating himself with tainted persons. All this is not true of Nitish Kumar. He once had a clean image but now he is embroiled in all sorts of controversies. His lifestyle has changed. According to information procured through RTI, he has spent crores of rupees from the state exchequer on his ancestral village and his official residence. He likes to be surrounded by sycophants, criminals and tainted persons. And he is just a bit behind Mayawati in erecting the statues of the members of his clan.
 
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NDA has fallen,congress sees bihar in the same lines of UP , did played their cards (special status,pakages)well and nitish responded .NDA‘s internal issues acted as a catalyst for a natural breakdown and modi‘s cc chief promotion was the official so called reason .

bjp is counting a lot on modi but i guess it wont be enough they lack ppl like Ahmed Patel and Kamal Nath.
 
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NDA has fallen,congress sees bihar in the same lines of UP , did played their cards (special status,pakages)well and nitish responded .NDA‘s internal issues acted as a catalyst for a natural breakdown and modi‘s cc chief promotion was the official so called reason .

bjp is counting a lot on modi but i guess it wont be enough they lack ppl like Ahmed Patel and Kamal Nath.

Are you then saying that the congress is to blame for the split?
 
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Are you then saying that the congress is to blame for the split?

nope ,congress is diversifying their options as they should rightly do in a pre election year .its the NDA‘s mismanagement and bjp‘s inability to bring the opinions of allies on table with the RSS which caused it.
 
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Personal aspirations of narendra modi is causing the demise of NDA and a divided house BJP will pay high price because of infighting, ego battle and dictatorship :rolleyes:

Those people who are sick of congress will be forced to vote for it again just for the sake of India :angel:

Whatever you said, it is sensible for the problem is that we are so frustrated with Congress that Modi provides some kind of alternative, others simply does not....That is the biggest advantage of Modi...Now think about it, my allignment and intrest of Modi is not because I like everything what he does, rather it is just anti congress sentiment that drives me to him..

Now if any one can suggest a people with his calibre but with positive attitudes towards other section of society will definitely be considered...But do we have alternatives????
 
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