Japan unveils largest warship since World War II

[chhota bheem]

Japan did not even cut relations with the Junta when it was sanctioned by the west. Don't be an idiot, Japan actually doesn't give a **** about democracy either, what were you saying about giving up power? Only America pretends to care about democrach. The Burmese were one of the only peoples willing to cooperate with Japans "Greater East Asia Co prosperity sphere". China relies on the threat of the United Wa Army to keep Myanmar in line. If the Myanmar government does anything stupid, the United Wa Army takes over Shan state and drives them out. Myanmar government also has problems with the Chinese Kokang militia in Kokang state. They fought in 2009.

Have to go but please google myanmar and see which country has the most influence on the country.you might be surprised

 

[Wholegrain]

dont be silly kiddo! what we are most concerned about in geographical evaluations are the pipeline and Mynamar's other natural resources on a fair basis exchange
who is going to buy their jade minerals? who is going to pay their pipeline fees? they want to shunt us away from their country to starve themselves? dont expose your idiocy any more!

Myanmar is an unstable country with dozens of insurgencies, from Kachin State to Shan state and the Karen State. I didn't say Myanmar is shutting anyone away. China has a gas pipeline in Russia too and investments in Russia's far east, does Russia consider itself a client state of China? Or are they a military competitor? Don't be a dumbass. Who is going to buy Russia's gas and minerals?

 

[GR!FF!N]

General characteristics
Displacement: 19,500 tonnes empty[1]
27,000 tons full load[2]
Length: 248.0 m[1]
Beam: 38.0 m[1]
Draft: 7.5 m[1]
Depth: 23.5 m[1]
Installed power: 112,000 hp (84,000 kW)[1]
Propulsion: 4 x COGAG, two shafts[1]
Speed: 30 knots (56 km/h) [1]
Complement: 970 including crew and troops[1]
Aircraft carried: 7 ASW helicopters and 2 SAR helicopters[1]

Izumo-class helicopter destroyer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

General characteristics are for the Varyag as originally designed
Class & type: Admiral Kuznetsov-class aircraft carrier

Displacement: 53,000 to 55,000 t (52,000 to 54,000 long tons) standard
66,000 to 67,500 t (65,000 to 66,400 long tons) full load
Length: 304.5 m (999 ft) o/a
270 m (890 ft) w/l
Beam: 75 m (246 ft) o/a
38 m (125 ft) w/l
Draft: 10.5 m (34 ft)
Propulsion: (Before stripping in Ukraine) Steam turbines, 8 boilers, 4 shafts, 200,000 hp (150 MW)
2 × 50,000 hp (37 MW) turbines
9 × 2,011 hp (1,500 kW) turbogenerators
6 × 2,011 hp (1,500 kW) diesel generators
4 × fixed pitch propellers
Speed: 32 knots (59 km/h; 37 mph) (Before engines removed in Ukraine)
Range: 3,850 nautical miles (7,130 km; 4,430 mi) at 32 knots (Before engines removed in Ukraine)
Endurance: 45 days
Complement: 1,960 crew
626 air group
40 flag staff
3,857 rooms
Armament:

After refit:
• 3 x Type 1030 CIWS
• 3 x HQ-10 (18 Cell Missile system)
• 2 x ASW 12 tube rocket launchers

As designed:
• 8 × AK-630 AA guns (6×30 mm, 6,000 round/min/mount, 24,000 rounds)
• 8 × CADS-N-1 Kashtan CIWS (each 2 × 30 mm Gatling AA plus 16 3K87 Kortik SAM)
• 12 × P-700 Granit SSM
• 18 × 8-cell 3K95 Kinzhal SAM VLS (192 vertical launch missiles; 1 missile per 3 seconds)
• RBU-12000 UDAV-1 ASW rocket launchers (60 rockets)
Aircraft carried: Shenyang J-15
Changhe Z-8
Ka-31
As designed:
× 30 fixed wing aircraft[1]
× 24 helicopters

idon't see anything offensive in it. Why are the Chinese members drawing unnecessary fear?

cause Japan will have 2 of this along with 2 Hyuga class Helicopter carrier and 2 Haruna class Helicopter carrier(this one is truely a helicopter carrier,unlike Hyuga and Izumo)..Both Hyuga(can carry upto 11 Aircraft,but generally carry around 4-5) and Izumo(officially 9 even when far larger than Hugya,I think they're downplayed it..It can easily carry around 15 Aircrafts) can carry several F-35s I guess..thats an impressive force even in front of PLAN..that makes them nervous..not to mention that If Abe Change the foreign and defence policy of Japan,they will certainly push for fully fledged Aircraft Carriers..but what Japan is doing now is making light aircraft carrier in front of the eye of the whole world,and classifying it as helicopter carrying destroyer..

 

[shuttler]

Myanmar is an unstable country with dozens of insurgencies, from Kachin State to Shan state and the Karen State. I didn't say Myanmar is shutting anyone away. China has a gas pipeline in Russia too and investments in Russia's far east, does Russia consider itself a client state of China? Or are they a military competitor? Don't be a dumbass. Who is going to buy Russia's gas and minerals?

dont be the dumbass of all dumbasses

if you are talking about the expansion of us and japanese involvement in Mynamar yes they are expanding and I have answered you adequately that the Myanmar government like all governments in world are welcoming money investment employments etc from everywhere!

What we are dealing with Russia and Myanmar for the gas pipelines are not at all much diffrerent!
1. there are sufficient economic interests on both sides
2. both parties have cordial diplomatic ties (no matter how much you are downplaying it)

get it?

 

[Wholegrain]

dont be the dumbass of all dumbasses

if you are talking about the expansion of us and japanese involvement in Mynamar yes they are expanding and I have answered you adequately that the Myanmar government like all governments in world are welcoming money investment employments etc from everywhere!

What we are dealing with Russia and Myanmar for the gas pipelines are not at all much diffrerent!
1. there are sufficient economic interests on both sides
2. both parties have cordial diplomatic ties (no matter how much you are downplaying it)

get it?

The Kokang and United Wa State Army are not going anywhere. China could have ordered them disbanded if it wanted to and the issue of Wa and Kokang states is still sticking out like sore thumb. Myanmar does not like the current situation with the autonomous states. The Wa army also has relations with ULFA which Myanmar is not keen on having in its borders. I said Japan is going to expand its relations with Myanmar and realign them into a military alliance with other ASEAN states like Vietnam and Philippines, just like Russia having its own military interests and policies which may conflict with China's.

By the way Republic of China (Taiwan) still claims Kachin state of Myanmar as its territory, I want Kokang state included as well.

 

[shuttler]

The Kokang and United Wa State Army are not going anywhere. China could have ordered them disbanded if it wanted to and the issue of Wa and Kokang states is still sticking out like sore thumb. Myanmar does not like the current situation with the autonomous states. The Wa army also has relations with ULFA which Myanmar is not keen on having in its borders. I said Japan is going to expand its relations with Myanmar and realign them into a military alliance with other ASEAN states like Vietnam and Philippines, just like Russia having its own military interests and policies which may conflict with China's.

you have your worries. the prime consideration for Myanmar is economic interest right now. I am not seeing they are biting the hands that feed them

I have stated my points

 

[chhota bheem]

The Kokang and United Wa State Army are not going anywhere. China could have ordered them disbanded if it wanted to and the issue of Wa and Kokang states is still sticking out like sore thumb. Myanmar does not like the current situation with the autonomous states. The Wa army also has relations with ULFA which Myanmar is not keen on having in its borders. I said Japan is going to expand its relations with Myanmar and realign them into a military alliance with other ASEAN states like Vietnam and Philippines, just like Russia having its own military interests and policies which may conflict with China's.

By the way Republic of China (Taiwan) still claims Kachin state of Myanmar as its territory, I want Kokang state included as well.

articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2012-02-12/news/31052246_1_myitsone-myanmar-government-weather-friend


Copy that and see china had influnce during the military rule .

 

[Ulysses]

nice job Japan, looking forward to some Drills to see this beast!

 

[Abhishek_]

File a complaint to the japanese parliament that they're breaking their own Constitution,signed "a worried chinese"

I LOLed
wait till they install water cannons on it

 

[gambit]

Do any of the Chinese members here understand how much work is involved in creating and maintaining an aircraft carrier, even a helo version? I once read a really ignorant and stupid comment on another Chinese run forum that the PLAN should go all out and build five or six carriers at the same time and send them out to intimidate Asia. Could not help but laughed.

The US and other navies who have aircraft carriers gained their experience and proficiency in a methodical manner. One ship established the foundation of knowledge, including mistakes and even disasters, for subsequent ships. The crew's experience are both recorded and the crew sent to newer ships to train other crews new to the concept of an 'aircraft carrier'. It took decades and a world war for the US and allies to get where they are today in naval aviation.

For the PLAN, five ships, five new crews at the same time = Five spectacular disasters at sea. For each ship, three thousands men sailed, fifteen hundreds returned.

Do you guys ever stopped and think before you posts, especially when your ignorance is available for the world to see?

This latest Japanese ship may be 'just' a helo carrier, but it is a larger one than its predecessors and already the Japanese Navy have at least one generation advantage over the PLAN in naval aviation. If the Japanese Navy decided to have a true attack carrier, as in fixed wings aircrafts, and when that time comes the US will concur with that decision, Japanese ship builders already very capable with US assistance will build an attack carrier that will rival that of anything China can produce, and with highly experienced crews from both countries working together, Japanese naval aviation WILL outclass the PLAN in short order.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

What big deal with this ship? is this a Godzilla to scare China? . as long as Japan is within our military reach than everything will just be fine: unlike WWII that they could attack our cities and we couldn't do anything to them. I'm more concern China's parity vis-a-vis U.S, because we still couln't effectively reach MAD level.

 

[SQ8]

Do any of the Chinese members here understand how much work is involved in creating and maintaining an aircraft carrier,

Life-Cycle Costs for Conventional and
Nuclear Aircraft Carriers (based on a
50-year service life)

(Fiscal year 1997 dollars in millions)

Cost category CV CVN
------------------------------------------------------ ------ ------
Investment cost\a
Ship acquisition cost $2,050 $4,059
Midlife modernization cost 866 2,382
Total investment cost $2,916 $6,441
Average annual investment cost $58 $129
Operating and support cost
Direct operating and support cost $10,43 $11,67
6 7
Indirect operating and support cost 688 3,205
Total operating and support cost $11,12 $14,88
5 2
Average annual operating and support cost $222 $298
Inactivation/disposal cost
Inactivation/disposal cost $53 $887
Spent nuclear fuel storage cost n/a 13
Total inactivation/disposal cost $53 $899
Average annual inactivation/disposal cost $1 $18
======================================================================
Total life-cycle cost $14,09 $22,22
4 2
Average annual life-cycle cost $282 $444
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In today's cost add 45.5% due to inflation..

So a CVN in 1997 dollars cost $4.059 billion which today would equal some $5.9 billion dollars with an annual life cycle cost of $650 million dollars.

 

[Wholegrain]

Do any of the Chinese members here understand how much work is involved in creating and maintaining an aircraft carrier, even a helo version? I once read a really ignorant and stupid comment on another Chinese run forum that the PLAN should go all out and build five or six carriers at the same time and send them out to intimidate Asia. Could not help but laughed.

The US and other navies who have aircraft carriers gained their experience and proficiency in a methodical manner. One ship established the foundation of knowledge, including mistakes and even disasters, for subsequent ships. The crew's experience are both recorded and the crew sent to newer ships to train other crews new to the concept of an 'aircraft carrier'. It took decades and a world war for the US and allies to get where they are today in naval aviation.

For the PLAN, five ships, five new crews at the same time = Five spectacular disasters at sea. For each ship, three thousands men sailed, fifteen hundreds returned.

Do you guys ever stopped and think before you posts, especially when your ignorance is available for the world to see?

This latest Japanese ship may be 'just' a helo carrier, but it is a larger one than its predecessors and already the Japanese Navy have at least one generation advantage over the PLAN in naval aviation. If the Japanese Navy decided to have a true attack carrier, as in fixed wings aircrafts, and when that time comes the US will concur with that decision, Japanese ship builders already very capable with US assistance will build an attack carrier that will rival that of anything China can produce, and with highly experienced crews from both countries working together, Japanese naval aviation WILL outclass the PLAN in short order.

Why should China waste money trying to outclass the Japanese Navy when China is already armed with thousands of ballistic missles, both surface to surface and anti ship missles? China can bombard Japanese ports and military bass on Japanese soil with ballistic missles without sending a single ship, plane or soldier. China already has a military edge over Japan. Every single inch of Japanese soil is in range of both conventional and nuclear missles from China.

I support Japan wasting money on ships that could just get sunk with a ballistic missle in case of war, its their money not ours.

 

[visom]

Life-Cycle Costs for Conventional and
Nuclear Aircraft Carriers (based on a
50-year service life)

(Fiscal year 1997 dollars in millions)

Cost category CV CVN
------------------------------------------------------ ------ ------
Investment cost\a
Ship acquisition cost $2,050 $4,059
Midlife modernization cost 866 2,382
Total investment cost $2,916 $6,441
Average annual investment cost $58 $129
Operating and support cost
Direct operating and support cost $10,43 $11,67
6 7
Indirect operating and support cost 688 3,205
Total operating and support cost $11,12 $14,88
5 2
Average annual operating and support cost $222 $298
Inactivation/disposal cost
Inactivation/disposal cost $53 $887
Spent nuclear fuel storage cost n/a 13
Total inactivation/disposal cost $53 $899
Average annual inactivation/disposal cost $1 $18
======================================================================
Total life-cycle cost $14,09 $22,22
4 2
Average annual life-cycle cost $282 $444
----------------------------------------------------------------------
In today's cost add 45.5% due to inflation..

So a CVN in 1997 dollars cost $4.059 billion which today would equal some $5.9 billion dollars with an annual life cycle cost of $650 million dollars.

It's also not just that. Aircraft carriers aren't sent into combat alone, they're escorted by destroyers, submarines, frigates and other ships. It doesn't just stop there; you need an entire crew of trained personnel AND aircrafts to load on top of the carrier. If you want an aircraft carrier, you have to want aircrafts, personnel, escorts as well.

Why should China waste money trying to outclass the Japanese Navy when China is already armed with thousands of ballistic missles, both surface to surface and anti ship missles? China can bombard Japanese ports and military bass on Japanese soil with ballistic missles without sending a single ship, plane or soldier. China already has a military edge over Japan. Every single inch of Japanese soil is in range of both conventional and nuclear missles from China.

I support Japan wasting money on ships that could just get sunk with a ballistic missle in case of war, its their money not ours.

There are missile shields that can block a majority of the missiles. Also, usage of nuclear missiles is forbidden under international sanctions, if you use it, it'll also be your own country that turns into a wasteland.

 

[Wholegrain]

It's also not just that. Aircraft carriers aren't sent into combat alone, they're escorted by destroyers, submarines, frigates and other ships. It doesn't just stop there; you need an entire crew of trained personnel AND aircrafts to load on top of the carrier. If you want an aircraft carrier, you have to want aircrafts, personnel, escorts as well.



There are missile shields that can block a majority of the missiles. Also, usage of nuclear missiles is forbidden under international sanctions, if you use it, it'll also be your own country that turns into a wasteland.

I want to see their few dozen anti ballistic missles try to stop hundreds of missles raining down on locations all over their country.