Japan Might Build 'Super' Destroyers. Why? Think North Korea and China.

[S10]

Super destroyers? But are they super duper like Trump's hypersonic missiles?

 

[Suika]

Survey like trying to delude from reality? I know plenty of western tricks try to fool the mass. Media and spread falsehood are one of their specialty based on botch and manipulated data.

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While this is the reality of Japan and SK.

Japanese sentiment on South Korea sinks to 41-year low

Public opinion remains low on relations with Chinese, high toward US

asia.nikkei.com

At least China dont plunder Korea and forced their women as sex slave like Japan. Korean even remember Ming dynasty assist to help them repel Japan invasion in imujin war.

"Western tricks" - the rally call for anti-western sentiment.

"to know them" - implying that no such tricks comes from your post. Despite the reality that there certainly is falsehood and narrative controlling in various western media outlets, it does not change the fact that the rest of your post is using its own sorts of tricks.

Our exchange started with opinion in ROK towards Japan. So the pandemic response is unrelated. To post that is indirectly conceding to the fact that favorable towards Japan and China are not much different in the ROK and that China's is on a downward trajectory. And so then it indirectly concedes that your "China and South Korea join hands to wipe Japan off Earth" to also not hold water. An additional point with the ROK survey is that the US remains the highest. So claims about joint ROK-PRC action is dry and empty and boring.

You're second article is about the sentiment towards ROK by Japanese. Again, our exchange started about ROK sentiment, not Japan's.

Whose doing the tricks now?

You.

So reported.

Super destroyers? But are they super duper like Trump's hypersonic missiles?

They aren't super.

 

[Viet]

The more ships in the PLAN, the greater the dependency on ME oil it becomes. So keep making more hulls with old fashion propulsion. It'll still be easy to cut the PLAN ME oil bud while Japan's will remain intact. India will gladly host ME bud cutters. Feel free to put the big glass navy on patrol inside the first island chain for the much needed propaganda value that the CCP forever seeks.

It’s best if you strengthen the chinese naval opponents: Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines. alone Japan can’t match chinese naval power. China peaceful rise is a myth. Once chinese control the seas, they will blockade our livelihood. Our kids in Vietnam and Japan will starve because of hunger and thirst.

 

[Muhammed45]

Super destroyers? But are they super duper like Trump's hypersonic missiles?

He claimed that Russians stole their hypersonic tech. Ameritards are high on something, imagine what could an HGV equipped DF21 do to American rusty shits the floating coffins.

 

[KurtisBrian]

relax, it is just a make work job for their collapsing debt based economy of fraud. Japanese live off of the Americans. As America falls so does Japan. Enjoy, the future of the Japanese people is very bleak.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Size isn't everything. It's technology that counts. Remember what happened to battleships Yamato and Musashi? Japanese destroyers lack AESA Chinese destroyers Type 052D and Type 055 have. @Suika

 

[aziqbal]

China built entire Japan navy in every 2+ years.

Yes but I think you missed the part where it says MADE IN JAPAN

enough said

Just like in WW2 the Japanese navy is again showing how they're using outdated thinking with a poor doctrine.

In WW2 they didn't even have radar deployed, still had human aimed guns and tried to use battleships against carriers. Basically 19th century against mid 20th century.

Now they're trying to use late 20th century tech and doctrine against 21st century tech and doctrine.

Really? they made the Royal Navy look like Kindergarten and almost Wiped out the USN in Pacific

Japan is not a joke country grow up.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Really? they made the Royal Navy look like Kindergarten and almost Wiped out the USN in Pacific

Japanese navy never had a chance against British or American navies. Japan wasn't even able to help Germany fight Britain in Battle of Britain.

 

[Nan Yang]

Yes but I think you missed the part where it says MADE IN JAPAN

enough said


Really? they made the Royal Navy look like Kindergarten and almost Wiped out the USN in Pacific

Japan is not a joke country grow up.

Japan is way overrated. They had to sneak attack US without first declaring war then lost half the Pacific ocean to United States in just 6 months.

With so much firepower yet they fail to conquer a backward KMT China that was in the middle of a civil war and still got bogged down instead lossing a million soldiers.

Today's Japan is no better.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

So what. ROK host THAAD, not H-6s.

THAAD isn't something made in Japan. So what's your point? South Koreans don't drive Japanese cars.

Today's Japan is no better.

Today Japanese lack the bravery and discipline of the old generation. They are too white washed to fight war.

 

[Muhammed45]

Yes but I think you missed the part where it says MADE IN JAPAN

enough said


Really? they made the Royal Navy look like Kindergarten and almost Wiped out the USN in Pacific

Japan is not a joke country grow up.

Youre right sir. Japanese navy is strong no denying here. The point is Japan lacks strategic depth. China is a vast country with disciplined people. A consider able area of Japanese soil is surrounded by volcanos making tens of faults around and under their cities. This country cannot Take on China, even if USA supports them.

Guys, don't forget Japan and other South China Sea nations have signed an economical pact with China that makes USA an irrelevant monkey in South China Sea. Slowly but surely countries around the world are gaining economical independence from imperialists.

 

[zectech]

If we keep Taiwan the way it is, it can be a doorway to good relations with the West. If China allows Taiwan independence, Taiwan will side with China against the West and build Chinas relationship with all countries since Chinese will stick together anyway.

My thoughts exactly. With Taiwan free, Taiwan dictates peace in East Asia with China. If Taiwan is a province of PRC, then the Chinese are the "enemy" and China is expanding and a "menace". Its perception like the perception that Muslims are going to do something in Europe. Fear of Chinese. With Taiwan independent, and China and Taiwan on friendly trading terms, then China is on much better footing. The US wants the whole Western Pacific to be invaded by China, and they don't care if China wins. The US would do the same to China that they did to Japan. Washington hates peaceful countries, and they hate even more successful countries like Taiwan. Washington wants Taiwan wiped off the map more than Beijing, because of a racial hatred against the Chinese. Washington criminals are as racist against Taiwanese as Chinese. What they want is Chinese to kill each other and to arm the Taiwanese to bloody up the Chinese for a US intervention.

US never cared about Iraq, never cared about Afghanistan, never cared about Iran, never cared about Syria, never cared about Libya, never cared about any countries except racist hate-filled neo-nazi "countries" that share the same "values" of nazism and zionist and "white" nationalism.

 

[Place Of Space]

He already apologized for decades. And the US and Japan gave China the economic chance to rise. You're view puts China into taking for granted that opportunity for peaceful rise and instead makes threats on Taiwan and countries around the South China Sea.


Cooperation is all that is needed from South Korea. Given all the headline hot air between the two, they still maintain GSOMIA and once in a while both ROK navy and JMSDF conduct joint-training with the US and other countries such as Exercise Pacific Vanguard and Exercise RIMPAC. Nothing like that happens between Japan and either North Korea or China.

My Japanese dear, after China have 4 times present economy and military, China will not be the threat to Asia. Support our rise will beneficial greatly to you guys. Let's work together for the promising Asia future.

 

[Figaro]

Japan Might Build 'Super' Destroyers. Why? Think North Korea and China.

Tokyo is now considering the feasibility of procuring two "super-destroyers."

nationalinterest.org

The Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force increasingly resembles the former Imperial Japanese Navy, but in a smaller size. It has a fleet of some 154 ships and operates 346 aircraft. In 2000 it has also been the world's fourth-largest navy by tonnage, and likely will only increase in size.

In December 2018, Tokyo approved a plan to modify its two Izumo-class helicopter carriers to embark the Lockheed Martin F-35B Lightning II jet fighter. The modifications would enable Japan to operate flattops with fixed-wing aircraft for the first time since World War II. The Japanese government also announced as part of its record-setting defense budget it would purchase additional F-35 aircraft.


With an eventual plan to be equipped with 105 F-35As and 42 F-35Bs, Japan would become the largest operator of the fifth-generation stealth fighter aircraft outside of the United States.

Not Battleships But The Next Best Thing


One type of warship the Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force won't operate is a battleship, and there are no plans for a 21st-century version of the Yamato super battleship.

However, according to a recent report from TheDrive, citing Japanese media, Tokyo is now considering the feasibility of procuring two "super-destroyers." Such warships – much like the modified flattops – would seem to be in contradiction of Japan's 1947 Constitution, which renounced war, but is also seen to suggest that Japan's military forces are maintained for the purpose of self-defense.

In this case, however, the super-destroyers would serve as a replacement to the pair of planned land-based Aegis Ashore systems. Work on those was suspended due to technical issues, costs and domestic criticism. The destroyers would be focused on missile defense – primarily from North Korea – and would be equipped with a version of the Aegis combat system that is equipped with Lockheed Martin's AN/SPY-7 Long Range Discrimination Radar. That platform was originally intended for the shore-based Aegis system.

Nikkei Asia reported that the funding for the system modifications of the AN/SPY-7 will be allocated in Japan's fiscal 2021 budget.

While the Defense Ministry has been expected to approve the vessels, based on an interim report that is due later this month from a private-sector technical study, officials have also considered the option of a special-purpose warship that could be dedicated to intercepting missiles. However, despite the fact that such a vessel would cost less, it could be far more vulnerable to submarine and air attacks.


The other consideration is that even as North Korean missiles are seen as the primary threat, Japan has other priorities that include patrolling the East China Sea due to increased Chinese aggression, and new Aegis-equipped destroyers could be a practical addition to the fleet due to their maneuverability and defenses.

One issue outstanding could be that of personnel. Tokyo opted for the Aegis Ashore system to address the lack of personnel, but now the Maritime SDF may need to be further expanded with the addition of such warships.

A New Class

Yet to come into focus is whether Tokyo would opt to build a new warship or a derivative of vessels currently in the fleet. TheDrive cited a report from Tokyo's Kyodo News agency, which suggested that the government was considering a vessel with a standard displacement of around 8,000 tons – which would be larger than the current Maya-class's displacement of 8,200 tons.


The Maya-class is a modified version of the Atago-class, and the lead vessel Maya was commissioned on March 19, 2020, with a second vessel, Haguro, set to enter service in March of next year. These vessels were also designed to enhance Japan's ballistic missile defense capabilities, but now it seems that Tokyo is thinking even bigger.

You need a super destroyer to defend against North Korea's navy? Really? The National Interest is really scraping the bottom of the barrel here ...

 

[Place Of Space]

It’s best if you strengthen the chinese naval opponents: Vietnam, Indonesia, Philippines. alone Japan can’t match chinese naval power. China peaceful rise is a myth. Once chinese control the seas, they will blockade our livelihood. Our kids in Vietnam and Japan will starve because of hunger and thirst.

Before you talk this, you think what you can provide to your neighbors. Your last ally Laos is moving toward China. You are on the way to frustrate yourself. In order to set up your national identify, you blindly oppose China. Vietnamese from blood and spirit are half Chinese, for the new "identity", you have teared Vietnamese nationality or ethnic to pieces, an long history unified Confucius society had been divided into various groups. And you as an overseas expat has not realized the huge risk of national collapse, blindly oppose China. You live in Germany, you should know Germany and Austria are two countries but share same nationality. You are painful because you try to forcefully emphasis on the tearing, how you Vietnamese bravely oppose Chinese for thousand years. This historical view has led you into a hollow spirits. What you left in your spiritual world when you deny everything. You check all your historic heritages, books, how you develop and become who you are? You could build your proud identity based on real history, otherwise you can hardly answer your kids a lot of questions.