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Japan Might Build 'Super' Destroyers. Why? Think North Korea and China.

. It'll still be easy to cut the PLAN ME oil bud while Japan's will remain intact.
LMAO. this is false. For one, China can get any amount of oil it needs from Iran, espcially considering their new strategic deal and access to huge fields that Indians and scared Europeans evaculated. Iran is getting VEnezuela their oil now and US hasnt done crap about it..you think US or NATO(sorry that only exists on paper) can stop China getting oil from Iran??? NO WAY. Iran can always route its oil by land through Pakistan/CPEC- Kashgar ..
 
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LMAO. this is false. For one, China can get any amount of oil it needs from Iran, espcially considering their new strategic deal and access to huge fields that Indians and scared Europeans evaculated. Iran is getting VEnezuela their oil now and US hasnt done crap about it..you think US or NATO(sorry that only exists on paper) can stop China getting oil from Iran??? NO WAY. Iran can always route its oil by land through Pakistan/CPEC- Kashgar ..

Well of course this is in the event of open hostilities which I don't hope for. Actually part of me is happy to see a strong and proud China that can defend itself. Although I don't feel like saying that often because of Pro-CCP troll posters always spamming blatant threats to Japan.

But the claims on Taiwan, the 9 dash line, and the Senkaku islands are unacceptable.

Cutting PRC access to the ME wouldn't cut PRC oil supply entitely. Yes the PRC has domestic oil production and oil land routes that include Russia. But with greater supply comes lower cost. The PRC is massive and much of it uses oil, not just the Navy. Not just the military. A drastic cut in oil supply would resort on increased oil costs. Perhaps triple the cost. That will inevitably slow GDP growth. Supply of other goods transported by sea would also naturally be cut. Joint navy exercises between Pakistan and China would end. The PRC base a Djibouti would disappear. Vietnam would grow into a military power armed to the teeth. Open hostilities would present Taiwan with notjing left to lose in declaring an official independence. The cost to Russia for being a partner to an increasingly isolated China is the loss of some of its military export markets to traditional partners Vietnam and India. As those countries seek less from China-friendly Russia and more from India-friendly countries regarding China. Russia may be unwilling to stick that close to China when you think about it.
 
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Well of course this is in the event of open hostilities which I don't hope for. Actually part of me is happy to see a strong and proud China that can defend itself. Although I don't feel like saying that often because of Pro-CCP troll posters always spamming blatant threats to Japan.

But the claims on Taiwan, the 9 dash line, and the Senkaku islands are unacceptable.

Cutting PRC access to the ME wouldn't cut PRC oil supply entitely. Yes the PRC has domestic oil production and oil land routes that include Russia. But with greater supply comes lower cost. The PRC is massive and much of it uses oil, not just the Navy. Not just the military. A drastic cut in oil supply would resort on increased oil costs. Perhaps triple the cost. That will inevitably slow GDP growth. Supply of other goods transported by sea would also naturally be cut. Joint navy exercises between Pakistan and China would end. The PRC base a Djibouti would disappear. Vietnam would grow into a military power armed to the teeth. Open hostilities would present Taiwan with notjing left to lose in declaring an official independence. The cost to Russia for being a partner to an increasingly isolated China is the loss of some of its military export markets to traditional partners Vietnam and India. As those countries seek less from China-friendly Russia and more from India-friendly countries regarding China. Russia may be unwilling to stick that close to China when you think about it.

Be honest you really thought China would be deprived from oil just by cutting access to ME oil just to be educated that China has massive oil resources in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia plus the abundance that Russia can provide in case of need. Your remark on Japan easily outlasting Chinese oil resources made us laugh, man talking about ignorance.

Now about the PRC claim on Taiwan, 9 dash line and Diaoyu as unacceptable that is not for you to decide. The ROC government to this day also continue to lay claim of Mainland China are you saying Taiwan is doing something unacceptable? Not only that, ROC also claim Diaoyu Island. We do not see you criticizing Taiwan for that. 9 dash line unacceptable? The initial 11 dash line came from the ROC and later revised to nine dash by the PRC. These issues are just none of your business whether you like it or not.
 
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Be honest you really thought China would be deprived from oil just by cutting access to ME oil just to be educated that China has massive oil resources in Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia plus the abundance that Russia can provide in case of need. Your remark on Japan easily outlasting Chinese oil resources made us laugh, man talking about ignorance.

Now about the PRC claim on Taiwan, 9 dash line and Diaoyu as unacceptable that is not for you to decide. The ROC government to this day also continue to lay claim of Mainland China are you saying Taiwan is doing something unacceptable? Not only that, ROC also claim Diaoyu Island. We do not see you criticizing Taiwan for that. 9 dash line unacceptable? The initial 11 dash line came from the ROC and later revised to nine dash by the PRC. These issues are just none of your business whether you like it or not.
To be honest, we own Taiwan economically. Who really cares if there is another Chinese country? Singapore and Taiwan can both be Chinese countries themselves, we got the mainland anyways.
 
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To be honest, we own Taiwan economically. Who really cares if there is another Chinese country? Singapore and Taiwan can both be Chinese countries themselves, we got the mainland anyways.

Taiwan can never be a country.

 
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Taiwan can never be a country.

If we keep Taiwan the way it is, it can be a doorway to good relations with the West. If China allows Taiwan independence, Taiwan will side with China against the West and build Chinas relationship with all countries since Chinese will stick together anyway.
 
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If we keep Taiwan the way it is, it can be a doorway to good relations with the West. If China allows Taiwan independence, Taiwan will side with China against the West and build Chinas relationship with all countries since Chinese will stick together anyway.
Watch the video first, i think youtube is down at the moment. After you watch it you know why Taiwan will always be a province. If you still insist that Taiwan can be another country there is something really wrong with you. That would mean the definition of a country should be rewritten.
 
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Watch the video first, i think youtube is down at the moment. After you watch it you know why Taiwan will always be a province. If you still insist that Taiwan can be another country there is something really wrong with you. That would mean the definition of a country should be rewritten.
Yeah youtube is down atm. Ill check it out later. Im a nationalist but I support China and the more fingers we have in different pies the better. Taiwan can put us in the good books with the West for sure but everyone has their own opinion. I really don't care much about Independence or not to be honest.
 
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Yeah youtube is down atm. Ill check it out later. Im a nationalist but I support China and the more fingers we have in different pies the better. Taiwan can put us in the good books with the West for sure but everyone has their own opinion. I really don't care much about Independence or not to be honest.
You should care, if ROC dare declare it that would mean war. That is why ROC up to this day do not declare Independence. The video explains very well why Taiwan is and shall always be a province. There is no independence to be declared, it can never be another country. Even ROC has not given up its claim of the Mainland, that says it all. Can another country lay claim of Mainland China?
 
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Wow, nowadays posters from the US have such low standards.

It is smart to continue building weapons in order to negotiate from a position of strenght.
Does not mean the Pentagon is not listening to this former Admiral.
Also he is just giving his opinion, as he is no longer active in the US Navy.
If Trump don't listen to Bill Clinton's opinion does not equate to Bill Clinton is a nobody.
Maybe that is how things go in your hometown in the SUPA POWA.

NO MORE FREEDOM OF SPEECH in the US?
Waste of time to have discourse with a no brainer.
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Thank you! Its his opinion, not stating a fact. He says we would lose, so just cooperate with China on Taiwan. And the U.S. military has their own opinion on the topic and decided to keep developing new weapons.
Japan isn't border with N Korea and China has a bigger arm forces that it must go seek USA for help which they will not add territory. Only S Korea with their island dispute can they add more land for the rising sun.
Uh huh, so they built those destroyers to fight South Korea. Nothing to do with dispute on Senkaku Islands or the waters nearby anywhere with China?
 
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Uh huh, so they built those destroyers to fight South Korea. Nothing to do with dispute on Senkaku Islands or the waters nearby anywhere with China?
Yeah those two ships is deterrent enough against the number of destroyers and cruisers China is building. Got nothing to do with Japan claiming Dokdo
 
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Yeah those two ships is deterrent enough against the number of destroyers and cruisers China is building. Got nothing to do with Japan claiming Dokdo

Just two ships? Japan have multiple ships and submarines, enough to think its not meant for South Korea only. Sure it has something to do with China and Senkaku Islands.
 
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Just two ships? Japan have multiple ships and submarines, enough to think its not meant for South Korea only. Sure it has something to do with China and Senkaku Islands.
Have you not read the thread? It clearly says maybe building two. Unless everybody cannot read just and Oldman can. China ain't building two you know
 
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Have you not read the thread? It clearly says maybe building two. Unless everybody cannot read just and Oldman can. China ain't building two you know
Have you not realize that Japan has multiple Aegis base ships? The new ones are more purposefully anti ballistic missile.
 
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Uh huh, so they built those destroyers to fight South Korea. Nothing to do with dispute on Senkaku Islands or the waters nearby anywhere with China?
Japan can call USA for help with that kind of conflicts, S Korea no way in hell. So they are on their own for this.
 
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