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Janes : UK to retire Tranche 1 Typhoons with more than half of airframe hours remaining

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typhoon t1 underwent BLOCK5 upgrade in 2008-2010 allowing them to use most of air to ground weapons and all air to air weapons.

Its open knowledge a small google.search will help you
Problem with block 5 is it still not truely multirole fighter with no SEAD or antiship capability and VERY HIGH maintaince cost
I will call block 5 more like pakistani f16s which have no SEAD or harpoons
The Tranche 1 *WAS* upgradeable, until the consortium decided to stop furter development. It is no longer upgradeable since the consortium will not allow engineering resources to be spent on Tranche 1.
Block 5 development was introduced in 2008-10 which means that development stopped just before that.

There is no possibility to add Meteor, Captor-E or anything else to Tranche 1 *NOW* that require help from the consirtium.
 
The Tranche 1 *WAS* upgradeable, until the consortium decided to stop furter development. It is no longer upgradeable since the consortium will not allow engineering resources to be spent on Tranche 1.
Block 5 development was introduced in 2008-10 which means that development stopped just before that.

There is no possibility to add Meteor, Captor-E or anything else to Tranche 1 *NOW* that require help from the consirtium.

You sure?



The retrofit of Tranche 1, the integration of the E-Scan radar and a possible replacement of the Spanish fleet of 85 F-18 aircraft are the most important pillars for the future of the jet-fighter in Spain.
In July 2020, the Spanish Air Force will receive its last EUROFIGHTER jet, reaching the 72 deliveries agreed in the original contract, Airbus DS sources told ESD during a visit to the company’s facilities in Getafe, nearr Madrid.
However, this milestone does not spell the end for Spain’s Eurofighter TYPHOON programme as the Spanish Airforce (Ejército del Aire) will enhance its current fleet of 70 aircrafts (there were two accidents in 2014 and 2017) and, most importantly, will replace 85 F-18 HORNET by 2025.
“The EUROFIGHTER is a solid candidate for the replacement of the F-18 deployed in Zaragoza, Madrid and Canary Islands”, a Spanish Air Force spokesperson said. The final decision is also linked to the possibility of reinforcing the industrial capabilities of Airbus DS in Spain. Of course, there are two other US-made candidates, the F-18 SUPER HORNET by Boeing and F-35 LIGHTNING II by Lockheed Martin.
Anyway, the Spanish government will likely change its defence staff members in the coming weeks after the last general election was won by the current socialist government. According to political analysts, the of Defence, Secretary of State, and part of the Chiefs of the Armed Forces could be replaced and a new team would have to make the final decision about the F-18 replacement.
However, on 14 December 2018, the current minister, Margarita Robles, approved an extra €906M to improve the capabilities of the EUROFIGHTER fleet until 2023 “since the €9,254M of the allocated budget had been spent.”
Official Airbus sources have expressed their satisfaction with the statements of the Spanish MoD, which spell out Spain’s plans for the future of its EUROFIGHTER fleet: “We hope to work with this valuable client to implement the proposed improvements that will ensure the fundamental role of Eurofighter at the heart of the Spanish Air Force during the next decades and that will underpin the continuous stability of the production of combat aircraft in Spain.”
Spain participates in the Eurofighter programme by holding 14% of Airbus DS (Germany with Airbus DS, 30%; UK with BAE Systems, 36%; Italy with Leonardo, 20%).
The final assembly line in Getafe provides the delivery of the entire Spanish EUROFIGHTER fleet and manufactures all the right-hand wing of all 623 aircrafts ordered by nine countries (Germany, UK, Italy, Spain, Austria, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Qatar).
The Tranche 1 Retrofit
“The replacement of Tranche 1 EURO-FIGHTERs is not an issue at the moment. Tranche 1 fleet has just started a modernisation programme, which includes hardware and software upgrades, taking care of obsolescence issues by integrating Tranche 2 hardware. Operational upgrades include new capabilities, like the possibility of carry litening targeting pods”, the official spokesperson of the Spanish Air Force, Lieutenant-Colonel Marcos Díez Estévez, told ESD.
Last February, Airbus delivered the first upgraded Tranche 1 EUROFIGHTER to the Spanish Air Force. The upgrade was carried out at the Airbus facilities in Getafe and involved the introduction of hardware modifications, which support the Operational Flight Programme 02 (OFP-02) developed by the Armament and Experimental Logistics Centre (CLAEX) in the Spanish Air Force.
The upgrade developed by Airbus includes modifications that integrate Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 equipment on the aircraft, such as a Computer Symbol Generator, Digital Video and Voice Recorder, Laser Designator Pod and Maintenance Data Panel.
“This first single-seat EUROFIGHTER (serial number SS003), to be followed by a second two-seat aircraft currently undergoing the upgrade, will be used initially by CLAEX as a test aircraft for the qualification of these new capabilities that will be implemented on the Air Force’s fleet of 17 Tranche 1 EUROFIGHTERs”, Fernando Peces, responsible for the EUROFIGHTER programme at Airbus DS in Spain, stated.
Another pillar of the Phase 2 Enhancements (P2E) of the Spanish EUROFIGHTER will be the integration of the METEOR missile. Developed and produced by a consortium of European companies led by MBDA, the METEOR missile is undoubtedly the main innovation of the P2E.
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The Airbus DS plant in Getafe. Airbus hopes that the Spanish MoD will chose the EUROFIGHTER to replace its ageing F-18 HORNET fleet. (Photo: AIRBUS DS)
METEOR is a radar missile designed to destroy targets at previously unattainable distances. Its maximum range is well over 100 kilometres, twice as long as other missiles designed for combat beyond the visual line of sight (BVLoS), including the US AMRAAM, which remains the most important reference to date.
Being a fully European technology, METEOR contributes to the autonomy of the continent in terms of defence with a truly revolutionary product, which has no equivalent in the market. In addition to the EUROFIGHTER, this missile has been integrated into the Swedish GRIPEN, the French RAFALE and the British F-35.
E-Scan Integration
After the retrofit of Tranche 1 in 2023, Airbus DS wants to introduce E-Scan radar in the entire fleet. This adaptation will imply improvements in the following capacities: detection, attack and identification; SAR modes (synthetic aperture radar); transmission of images; electromagnetic measurements; and integration of smart weapons.
The integration of the E-Scan radar is a bi-national programme involving Spain and Germany to start in 2022 in the Luftwaffe fleet. It will bring about an improvement in the processing and electronic warfare functions.
It is expected that Spain’s fleet of 77 EUROFIGHTER will be in service until 2045 when the Future Combat Aircraft System (FCAS) will start to replace them. Spain will announce its participation in this French-German led main military project during the Paris Air Show in Le Bourget. The Spanish authorities will sign a Memorandum of Understanding to be on board this ambitious European jet fighter project.
And the F-18 Spanish Fleet Replacement?
What are the possibilities for EUROFIGHTER to replace the 85 F-18 HORNETs fleet of the Spanish Air Force? After the integration of the E-Scan radar into the current fleet, Airbus DS expects to win a new contract to replace the F-18s.
“We are having conversations with the Spanish MoD to replace the F-18. Of course, it is a sovereign decision. But, I can tell you that the favourite option to replace the first F-18 aircrafts in ***** Air Base (Canary Islands) is the EUROFIGHTER”, Alberto Gutiérrez, head of military aircraft at Airbus DS, told ESD. This is where a new chapter in the ‘jet flight’ between Europe and US is about to begin.
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I seriously doubt them. Also how much US components they have. Plus 30 won't work for us. Also when we can get J-10 C in really large numbers. We can match India's order of Rafale with same order for J-10. We can't do that with EF.
Sir you said 30 EFT not fit in our need list. We can also buy the Austrian 15 EFT , Italian 22 and Spanish 18 EFT. All of them made a handsome number of 85. Point to discuss is only, can we give them a message that we are the only customer on earth who can buy these used monsters. Otherwise these jets will wait to their end in junkyard.we have to convinced them on a throwaway price and join hands with Italian and Spanish aeronautical firms for upgrading of EFT.these jets are much much better than Mirages and J-10C
 
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The Tranche 1 *WAS* upgradeable, until the consortium decided to stop furter development. It is no longer upgradeable since the consortium will not allow engineering resources to be spent on Tranche 1.
Block 5 development was introduced in 2008-10 which means that development stopped just before that.

There is no possibility to add Meteor, Captor-E or anything else to Tranche 1 *NOW* that require help from the consirtium.
Package already exist and has been applied to several aircarfts HENCE YOUR CLAIM THAT TRANCH1 cant do anything is FALSE
Point is the issue with tranch1 is cost otherwise it does give acess to meteor and most air to ground weapons(just like our f16s)

The issue is unlike f16 they are costly to maintain..if PAF can work around the cost issue and if meteor is offered it may be an.option
 
Package already exist and has been applied to several aircarfts HENCE YOUR CLAIM THAT TRANCH1 cant do anything is FALSE
Point is the issue with tranch1 is cost otherwise it does give acess to meteor and most air to ground weapons(just like our f16s)

The issue is unlike f16 they are costly to maintain..if PAF can work around the cost issue and if meteor is offered it may be an.option
Italy put up their Tranche 1 for sale years ago, Austria wants to get rid of theirs, and Germany as well as the UK has recently announced they will get rid of their Tranche 1. That leaves Spain as the only operator of Tranche 1 with 17 planes. That both the UK and Germany plans to replace them with new Tranche 3/4 shows that upgrading is a bad idea.
 
Italy put up their Tranche 1 for sale years ago, Austria wants to get rid of theirs, and Germany as well as the UK has recently announced they will get rid of their Tranche 1. That leaves Spain as the only operator of Tranche 1 with 17 planes. That both the UK and Germany plans to replace them with new Tranche 3/4 shows that upgrading is a bad idea.
it shows nothing..i would expected more from you
all these countries want to trim their fleet but also want to complete the program quota..so what option do you have..forgo the old ones and buy new ones..

USA did the same with all their surplus f16s..doesnt mean they are "uneconomical" to upgrade
british even tried to pursue saudis to buy additional typhoons and adjust it to its acquisition quota but that didnt work
spain mean while has completed its quota, so for them makes sense to upgrade
austria doesnt want to pay a dime..and wants cheap..jf17 or t-50 eagle is what suits their "cost" requirement but they may end up getting f16s if uncle sam subsidize them
 
Honestly, even DOD will be fed up with F-35 as its cost vs benefit wont be positive, and there are already hints by USAF chief to have advanced single engine 4 gen fighter to compensate for numbers, and I am sure USAF won't be procuring 1763 F-35 as it stopped at 195 against 381 Raptors it required.

WOW!!!! Making tall claims without a cent worth of reality. The DoD is NOT the buyer of the -35 jets. Do you understand the DoD's role? Reading these posts make you realize that the poster has no idea about the subject on hand!
 
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it shows nothing..i would expected more from you
all these countries want to trim their fleet but also want to complete the program quota..so what option do you have..forgo the old ones and buy new ones..

USA did the same with all their surplus f16s..doesnt mean they are "uneconomical" to upgrade
british even tried to pursue saudis to buy additional typhoons and adjust it to its acquisition quota but that didnt work
spain mean while has completed its quota, so for them makes sense to upgrade
austria doesnt want to pay a dime..and wants cheap..jf17 or t-50 eagle is what suits their "cost" requirement but they may end up getting f16s if uncle sam subsidize them
Spending €906M on upgrading 17 Tranche 1 until 2023 (€53M per aircraft), which does not include Captor—E, does not make sense.
Spain will have to finance any new improvement, instead of sharing upgrade cost by buying Tranche 3/4.
Since the UK / Germany decisions are fairly recent, it would not be surprising if Spain changes their mind.
 
@Zarvan bhai, what do you say? They are not garbage bhai. Bilal Sahib is merely diverting our attention.
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Sir, My mistake. I was actually hoping, even with a slim chance, to convince him to settle for T1 at the moment. After all, UK Foreign Secretary & Mi-6 Chief, have been meeting Pakistani counterparts recently. I thought may be they can upgrade these with minimum charges in lieu of our help in evac from Afghanistan.
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WOW!!!! Making tall claims without a cent worth of reality. The DoD is NOT the buyer of the -35 jets. Do you understand the DoD's role? Reading these posts make you realize that the poster has no idea about the subject on hand!

Typical american arrogance, maybe if you start following news you might end up in reality...................

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/air-force-admits-f-35-fighter-jet-costs-too-much-ncna1259781
https://www.defensenews.com/air/202...osts-could-be-headed-off-affordability-cliff/
https://www.defensenews.com/congres...-services-chairman-looking-to-cut-our-losses/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...admitted-the-f-35-stealth-fighter-has-failed/
 

Americna arrogance? So when you can't factually argue that's the default everyone uses here? Allow me to "educate" you. You clearly DO NOT understand the system and how it works. When a competitor is coming out with a new product, they will usually use their contacts in the media to put these articles up. The -35, after the -22 is the most sophisticated fighter jet ever built and it's stealthy. Every customer paying the price knows it's expensive and so is the cost of gaining air dominance and superiority in all environments.

- B1 - Built in the 80's, costs over $ 2 billion each. Requires an exorbitant amount of money after each flight.
- -22 - Built in the 90's, costs over a billion dollars each and requires a lot more money than the -35's per hourly cost.

Let's stop whining or first understand the topic you are trying to be an "expert" on by reading a few articles. Knowledge is what someone can use in a debate, not call names and insults and post 3rd party links.
 
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