J-31 possibly being tested & evaluated in Pakistan

[Hayreddin]

No one is derailing the thread.

NOW try and substantiate your OUTRAGEOUS claim about AZM being developed in 5 years.

What does developed mean.

Developed by whom ie Pakistan or China.

What engine

What specs

What weapons

At What development cost

The ;last time I checked Pakistan is yet to develop a Helicopter let aloe a 5th gen fighter in what 5 years.

FOR THE RECORD france & germany are looking to develop a new fifth generation fighter and have suggested a $40 billion budget and 15 year time span.

BUT HEY this os PDF and rainbows do exist

Hence my challenge SHOW some proof to your claim

5th generation fighter from project azm is not from scrap . Common sense , starting from zero they cant achieve in 5 yrs .
J31 is going to come after 5 yrs with tot and may be with different name and with upgrades .there wld be input from turkey too . So mixture of chinese and western technology with pakistani input in missle tech and soft bombs

 

[Storm Force]

5th generation fighter from project azm is not from scrap . Common sense , starting from zero they cant achieve in 5 yrs .
J31 is going to come after 5 yrs with tot and may be with different name and with upgrades .there wld be input from turkey too . So mixture of chinese and western technology with pakistani input in missle tech and soft bombs

JUST WHAT I thought ……….. Hence my challenge

Turkeys experience in building a even a 4th generation fighter LET ALONE a 5th Generation fighter is zero
They themselves are seeking massive supports from EADS and Dassult to help them with their TFX project which will take 2 decades

China is spending billions on fifth gen fighters projects THEY are not simply handing over costly technology something INDIA discovered with FGFA or PAK FA project. no body shares cutting edge technology

BEFORE you shout JF17 this that and other...………… THAT IS their 3rd tire technology behind the J10 and he J20 ITS not cutting edge.

PROJECT AZM is not a brand new fighter is my guess …………..ITS NOTHING MORE than a customised J31 which you hope to buy IF and when ready.

 

[Hayreddin]

JUST WHAT I thought ……….. Hence my challenge

Turkeys experience in building a even a 4th generation fighter LET ALONE a 5th Generation fighter is zero
They themselves are seeking massive supports from EADS and Dassult to help them with their TFX project which will take 2 decades

China is spending billions on fifth gen fighters projects THEY are not simply handing over costly technology something INDIA discovered with FGFA or PAK FA project. no body shares cutting edge technology

BEFORE you shout JF17 this that and other...………… THAT IS their 3rd tire technology behind the J10 and he J20 ITS not cutting edge.

PROJECT AZM is not a brand new fighter is my guess …………..ITS NOTHING MORE than a customised J31 which you hope to buy IF and when ready.

Yes agreed . Project azm 5th gen is customised version of j31 .and by the way saudis also financed j31 under the table . Guess who pushed them to do so .

 

[Storm Force]

Yes agreed . Project azm 5th gen is customised version of j31 .and by the way saudis also financed j31 under the table . Guess who pushed them to do so .

OH I SEE

That's why the Saudis rely completely on western air power ie Tornado Typhoon & F15 eagles.

Have to laugh at the BULL CRAP you people post

its like fantasy LA LA LAND

NO concept of whats really going on

SAUDI is in deep negotiation for the USA F35 lightening which will replace Tornados in next decade.

J31 has no chance in SAUDI = ITS a paper tiger

 

[LKJ86]

JUST WHAT I thought ……….. Hence my challenge

Turkeys experience in building a even a 4th generation fighter LET ALONE a 5th Generation fighter is zero
They themselves are seeking massive supports from EADS and Dassult to help them with their TFX project which will take 2 decades

China is spending billions on fifth gen fighters projects THEY are not simply handing over costly technology something INDIA discovered with FGFA or PAK FA project. no body shares cutting edge technology

BEFORE you shout JF17 this that and other...………… THAT IS their 3rd tire technology behind the J10 and he J20 ITS not cutting edge.

PROJECT AZM is not a brand new fighter is my guess …………..ITS NOTHING MORE than a customised J31 which you hope to buy IF and when ready.

IMHO, whether so-called "cutting edge technology" is shared or not, it is meaningless. What is most important is to build the relatively integrated industrial system. Without a complete industrial system, you can't develop the shared technology by yourself, and the shared technology will be outdated.
Take China for example. With a complete industrial system, China can absorb the shared technology very quickly, and develop a better one by itself. That is why USA is so scared of the development of China.

 

[Goku-kun]

OH I SEE

That's why the Saudis rely completely on western air power ie Tornado Typhoon & F15 eagles.

Have to laugh at the BULL CRAP you people post

its like fantasy LA LA LAND

NO concept of whats really going on

SAUDI is in deep negotiation for the USA F35 lightening which will replace Tornados in next decade.

J31 has no chance in SAUDI = ITS a paper tiger

we also enjoy your ignorance on this forum..
Saudi use f-15 eagles,typhoon which are 4.5 gen. jets while j-31 is a 5th gen. jet and is still under development so they have to rely on western weapons..
and 2nd thing that you always claim that chinese weapons are b-grade 3rd quality weapons so what i want to remind you is that they had defeated you with these 3rd grade weapons in 1962 so don't cry over here..

 

[Army research]

OH I SEE

That's why the Saudis rely completely on western air power ie Tornado Typhoon & F15 eagles.

Have to laugh at the BULL CRAP you people post

its like fantasy LA LA LAND

NO concept of whats really going on

SAUDI is in deep negotiation for the USA F35 lightening which will replace Tornados in next decade.

J31 has no chance in SAUDI = ITS a paper tiger

My friend storm ,
The Saudi theory is bs
Also whether you believe me or not,
I have myself seen Azm design, and one thing I can confirm,
It is a clean sheet design not J20 J31 F35 F22 KFX TFX F313QAHER OR JF17superstealth thingy which people say,
Work has been on for quite some time.
China is willing to sell subsystems and engines etc, but they also offered technical assistance much like BAE has offered to Turkey albeit on a wider scale, and Chinese companies have more experience than BAE in 5th gen fighter domain,
Azm is a new design, not j31,
Though things can change and say if it fails (highly unlikely considering the amount of work I've seen done on it)
Then a squadron or 2 of 31's might come

 

[LKJ86]

My friend storm ,
The Saudi theory is bs
Also whether you believe me or not,
I have myself seen Azm design, and one thing I can confirm,
It is a clean sheet design not J20 J31 F35 F22 KFX TFX F313QAHER OR JF17superstealth thingy which people say,
Work has been on for quite some time.
China is willing to sell subsystems and engines etc, but they also offered technical assistance much like BAE has offered to Turkey albeit on a wider scale, and Chinese companies have more experience than BAE in 5th gen fighter domain,
Azm is a new design, not j31,
Though things can change and say if it fails (highly unlikely considering the amount of work I've seen done on it)
Then a squadron or 2 of 31's might come

Has it been tested in wind tunnels?

 

[Hayreddin]

OH I SEE

That's why the Saudis rely completely on western air power ie Tornado Typhoon & F15 eagles.

Have to laugh at the BULL CRAP you people post

its like fantasy LA LA LAND

NO concept of whats really going on

SAUDI is in deep negotiation for the USA F35 lightening which will replace Tornados in next decade.

J31 has no chance in SAUDI = ITS a paper tiger

So when made in India 5th gen is coming ... i guess in next 5-7decades . Considering the timeline of failed tejas . On other hand with extremely limited resources We got success story of jf17 now movin to block 3 . Going for our own 5th gen whether j31 version or new platform .
India miserably failed in this regard

 

[randomradio]

Yeah dude it's been full steam active since 2014-15, the design was even being played with in late 2000 era

So you're saying the production of the TD/prototypes have already started?

My friend storm ,
The Saudi theory is bs
Also whether you believe me or not,
I have myself seen Azm design, and one thing I can confirm,
It is a clean sheet design not J20 J31 F35 F22 KFX TFX F313QAHER OR JF17superstealth thingy which people say,
Work has been on for quite some time.
China is willing to sell subsystems and engines etc, but they also offered technical assistance much like BAE has offered to Turkey albeit on a wider scale, and Chinese companies have more experience than BAE in 5th gen fighter domain,
Azm is a new design, not j31,
Though things can change and say if it fails (highly unlikely considering the amount of work I've seen done on it)
Then a squadron or 2 of 31's might come

So Pakistani airframe design and FBW along with Chinese engines and avionics?

You will know when its necessary to show what they are doing, JFT route is possible but AZM is not going to be backbone bird, it will be primary front line fighter so PAF may not disclose much about it, as many times in history they have followed that path.

I don't know what you mean by backbone. If you are referring to it being in small numbers, then the project won't be viable. You will have to induct at least 5-6 squadrons, if not more.

 

[GeraltofRivia]

My friend storm ,
The Saudi theory is bs
Also whether you believe me or not,
I have myself seen Azm design, and one thing I can confirm,
It is a clean sheet design not J20 J31 F35 F22 KFX TFX F313QAHER OR JF17superstealth thingy which people say,
Work has been on for quite some time.
China is willing to sell subsystems and engines etc, but they also offered technical assistance much like BAE has offered to Turkey albeit on a wider scale, and Chinese companies have more experience than BAE in 5th gen fighter domain,
Azm is a new design, not j31,
Though things can change and say if it fails (highly unlikely considering the amount of work I've seen done on it)
Then a squadron or 2 of 31's might come

Very interesting. Can you please reveal which planes it resembles the most?

 

[Army research]

Very interesting. Can you please reveal which planes it resembles the most?

Sorry mate,
There's a reason PAF hasn't released anything about it yet

Has it been tested in wind tunnels?

Not sure, I was more interested in talking about it's parameters and implications rather than tests etc sorry

So you're saying the production of the TD/prototypes have already started?



So Pakistani airframe design and FBW along with Chinese engines and avionics?



I don't know what you mean by backbone. If you are referring to it being in small numbers, then the project won't be viable. You will have to induct at least 5-6 squadrons, if not more.

A lot of behind door avionics work has been going on in Pakistan but sort of yes

 

[randomradio]

A lot of behind door avionics work has been going on in Pakistan but sort of yes

What about the production of the prototype airframe itself?

 

[bananarepublic]

what about the design does it have a conventional layout or is it similar to the j-20

 

[Storm Force]

My friend storm ,
The Saudi theory is bs
Also whether you believe me or not,
I have myself seen Azm design, and one thing I can confirm,
It is a clean sheet design not J20 J31 F35 F22 KFX TFX F313QAHER OR JF17superstealth thingy which people say,
Work has been on for quite some time.
China is willing to sell subsystems and engines etc, but they also offered technical assistance much like BAE has offered to Turkey albeit on a wider scale, and Chinese companies have more experience than BAE in 5th gen fighter domain,
Azm is a new design, not j31,
Though things can change and say if it fails (highly unlikely considering the amount of work I've seen done on it)
Then a squadron or 2 of 31's might come

so you are privy to a top secret n ever seen before fifth generation fighter project called AZM which is so far in development that you claim it looks like nothing of the above .

BY THE WAY im assuming here...……. this is not a concept drawing but a model of a fighter designd for winfd tunnel testing A complete programme with modern super cruise engines and crystal blade tech . full fbw compsite airframes , complete cockpit and sensor fusion and AESA radars development programmes in progess.

AND this is happening in PAKISTAN with assistance from CHINA

FUNDING from Pakistan & China .

WELL THIS must have been going on for years SINCE it takes two decades for huge aerospace giants like EADS or Dassult or Lockheed to develop new platforms.

And generally people in forums do not have privy info on these.

" you understand why im smiling and shaking my head"

it seems farfetched

IN MY EYES AZM exists BUT is nothing more than J31 .

CHINA has no third fifth gen project