J-10 vs LCA Development Similar timeframe.

[BATMAN]

Its mainly because of :

Over-ambitiouness by DRDO
Over-hyped by media
Over-expectation by IAF

Otherwise, both the project have same fate , even they are facing same problem now, an indigenious engine,.

Dude... did it occured to you that J-10 is 100% chinese development where as LCA has bee developed by the participation of every company producing aircrafts.

Just go into the history of LCA thread you will find more details.

Another uncompareable difference between LCA and J10 is that former is a complete failure and later is a big success story.

 

[gogbot]

Dude... did it occured to you that J-10 is 100% chinese development where as LCA has bee developed by the participation of every company producing aircrafts.

Just go into the history of LCA thread you will find more details.

Another uncompareable difference between LCA and J10 is that former is a complete failure and later is a big success story.

Clearly this statement shows how little you actually know.

 

[applesauce]

i agree with most people on this thread, the reason that people consider j-10 a great success for the chinese and lca a failure is that the j-10 was a project the the chinese military was very excited about and bought as soon as it could and this shows that the military has confidence in the design, and that the creators of the j-10 did not hype up the jet, instead little was known until squads of it was already flying. while on the other hand the lca was talked about by its designers and indian media on the day that it was announced and when one hypes up a product too much the expectations can never be filled thus leaving only dissapointment. also as of today j-10 is in the skies and the PLAAF has accepted it with open arms and while we talk of the lca flying soon or what ever, the point is that it is not yet finished or ready for full production. on another note the lca was also promissed to be flying in the 90s its nearlly 2010 and the numbers of delays also cause people to see it as a failure. but its final view will be decided once we see it flying in the air wing of the military, but with the reluctance of the IAF to accept this fighter has also cause blemishes in its name

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Let's make it more exciting. How about wager on when:

(1) first prototype to fly --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

(2) first to be inducted --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

When I say LCA, I mean 100% indigenously produced (i.e. incl Kaveri engine).

 

[gogbot]

i agree with most people on this thread, the reason that people consider j-10 a great success for the chinese and lca a failure is that the j-10 was a project the the chinese military was very excited about and bought as soon as it could and this shows that the military has confidence in the design, and that the creators of the j-10 did not hype up the jet, instead little was known until squads of it was already flying. while on the other hand the lca was talked about by its designers and indian media on the day that it was announced and when one hypes up a product too much the expectations can never be filled thus leaving only dissapointment. also as of today j-10 is in the skies and the PLAAF has accepted it with open arms and while we talk of the lca flying soon or what ever, the point is that it is not yet finished or ready for full production. on another note the lca was also promissed to be flying in the 90s its nearlly 2010 and the numbers of delays also cause people to see it as a failure. but its final view will be decided once we see it flying in the air wing of the military, but with the reluctance of the IAF to accept this fighter has also cause blemishes in its name

Alright So the PLAAF had the choice of getting the j-10 or ?

That's the reason for the quick acceptance. PLAAF need a plane and the j-10 was the only one that was available, For the role.

The IAF on the other hand has the option to buy a wide range of planes wit full ToT. an the Tejas has to compete with all of them before being selected.

At least all the is over now and the IAF is finally after 19 years going to Induct the first squadron of LCA

The same way the PLAAF did after 18 years.

 

[gogbot]

Let's make it more exciting. How about wager on when:

(1) first prototype to fly --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

(2) first to be inducted --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

When I say LCA, I mean 100% indigenously produced (i.e. incl Kaveri engine).

The J-10 project was declared complete in 2004 after 18 years of development. It flew with a foreign engine and radar but was classified complete.
The J-10 A latter developed was fully Indigenous

The LCA project started in 1990 flew its first prototype on 4 January 2001

And after 19 years in development. The first production version of the LCA flew this year. after 19 years of development. Using a Foreign engine.

The Kaveri engine now also been deemed functional and operational but fails to generate enough trust to be used on the LCA.

So whats left, is upgrading both projects to work together.

That is one of the goals of the LCA MK2

With regards to the stealth fighter. Now lets just assume that China is even close to completing it.
Which is really unlikely.

And they do get the plane to fly and work perfectly
CHina will never tell the public anything about it till 10 years later.

So the Comparison you have suggested is completely unfeasible. even if China is actually on teh verge of getting the J-xx

Unless you want to meet back here 10 years later to when we can do this

Seriously though , China wont say a word about that plane if it is completed even today. so there is no point tying to compare anything with the J-xx until China actually releases some details.

so i am sorry but your comparison isn't viable

 

[PakShaheen79]

gogbot
The LCA project started in 1990 flew its first prototype on 4 January 2001

My dear! LCA program initiated in 1983. Don't try to twist history. Furthermore China has developed turbofan engine only thing is it required to be matured and well integrated which is understandable... Keravi will also go same route.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

Let's make it more exciting. How about wager on when:

(1) first prototype to fly --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

(2) first to be inducted --- LCA or Chinese stealth???

When I say LCA, I mean 100% indigenously produced (i.e. incl Kaveri engine).

Here's my wager:

China will have 5th gen stealth within a few years. A few years after that US will come out with 6th gen, and China will follow within 2-3 years with 6th. After that China will be the first to have 6.5 gen.

 

[duhastmish]

Here's my wager:

China will have 5th gen stealth within a few years. A few years after that US will come out with 6th gen, and China will follow within 2-3 years with 6th. After that China will be the first to have 6.5 gen.

yeh only if chinese can work as high as your hopes

looool - there is no trace of chinese fifth gen fighter it will be inducted in 2020-2025 ,

as for sixth gen fighter american said they will induct it around 2030. by that time china will be too busy - to develope their fith gen obsolete fighter.

more over - for a fifth gen fighter you need lot of money - imagine how much u need for sixth gen ???? china have no partner , even united states needed partner for fifth gen - and i am sure they will need many partner for sixth gen fighter.

but then again - dreams cost nothing and its good habit - at least it will keep you busy .

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

tech takes times especially when in development

 

[gogbot]

My dear! LCA program initiated in 1983. Don't try to twist history. Furthermore China has developed turbofan engine only thing is it required to be matured and well integrated which is understandable... Keravi will also go same route.

I am afraid i have to correct you there. The proposal for the LCA was first put forward in 1983.

The government however took its dear time to decide whether to accept or reject
The actual project itself did not start till 1990, when fundung was finally made available

This is a common misconception.

 

[BATMAN]

Clearly this statement shows how little you actually know.

This means you are speechless.

Before you put others knowledge to test, I ask you to list the number of foreign companies involved in LCA's failed development?

Otherwise my point remains valid....LCA is not indian plane......it is a product of many companies and most of its development has been done by foreigners.

There is no reason to compare an indigenous development J-10 with financed development LCA.

 

[sancho]

When I say LCA, I mean 100% indigenously produced (i.e. incl Kaveri engine).

But that means also that all J10 so far are also not indigenously produced, because they are useing Russian engines right? Stop this double standard please!
J10 is also an indigenous development like LCA, you achieved to get it operational, I hope IAF will be at that point soon too. Both are great steps ahead for our nations and will serve our forces well!

 

[PakShaheen79]

I am afraid i have to correct you there. The proposal for the LCA was first put forward in 1983.

The government however took its dear time to decide whether to accept or reject
The actual project itself did not start till 1990, when fundung was finally made available

This is a common misconception.

It sounds like project initiated 1983 would you give same 'actual work started' time line to J-10 as well which was conceived in 1984 a year later than LCA.

By going this theory of actual work started I think Thunder is world champion, from 1999 to 2003 for first flight and 6 year down the line and SBP and 10 years and into service.

 

[INDIAISM]

This means you are speechless.

Before you put others knowledge to test, I ask you to list the number of foreign companies involved in LCA's failed development?

Otherwise my point remains valid....LCA is not indian plane......it is a product of many companies and most of its development has been done by foreigners.

There is no reason to compare an indigenous development J-10 with financed development LCA.

indigenous hahaha
1)al 31 russian engine
2)In May 2008, Jane's Information Group reported several interviews with Russian sources claiming to be involved with various Chengdu military projects. A number of engineers, designers and technical specialists described their visits to Chengdu and other areas of China in the 1980s. A source alleged that high-level Chengdu officials described the possession of a single Lavi prototype at one of Chengdu's facilities. They also claim that in 2000, two years after the J-10's maiden flight, aerodynamic models were sent to Russian wind tunnel testing facilities to study the J-10's aerodynamics.[17]

During the 2006 Farnborough Airshow, the Russian Siberian Aeronautical Research Institute (SibNIA) confirmed its participation in the J-10 program. According to the article, this participation was limited to observation and instruction as "scientific guides." The sources also claimed that the J-10 was based on the canceled Israeli IAI Lavi