It's now or never situation again

[hembo]

Kashmiri/GB muslims will still choose Pakistan even if there is an economic crisis. Religious identity and its associated safety comes first. Thinking will be: "sure, there are economic problems now but that will go away after X years"

Hypothetical situation:

1) Let's say you are a Hindu in Jammu
2) Let's assume that India is in deep economical trouble. There is shortage of everything and country is bankrupt
3) Assume that Pakistan's economy is roaring
4) Now in this situation, let's assume that a referendum is held.

Would you vote to join Pakistan under these circumstances?

EDIT: Apologies for hijacking the thread

I stand by my last sentence. I'll not discuss/ analyze it further here as it will hijack the current thread. Perhaps later in a relevant thread.

 

[Goritoes]

Pakistan Army has decided to break Pakistan further, they will make polices which will give Pathans reasons to blow themselves up, and Balochis will follow suit, PA will hold its dominion over the Punjab and Sindh, For as long as GHQ stand Pakistan will be surrounded with dangers and will never prosper.

 

[White privilege]

Dropping weapons in face of certain death, to become 'activists'. Cowards....

 

[legacytiger18]

Kashmiri/GB muslims will still choose Pakistan even if there is an economic crisis. Religious identity and its associated safety comes first. Thinking will be: "sure, there are economic problems now but that will go away after X years"

Hypothetical situation:

1) Let's say you are a Hindu in Jammu
2) Let's assume that India is in deep economical trouble. There is shortage of everything and country is bankrupt
3) Assume that Pakistan's economy is roaring
4) Now in this situation, let's assume that a referendum is held.

Would you vote to join Pakistan under these circumstances?

EDIT: Apologies for hijacking the thread

we will eat grass , but, dont want hindu hegemony

 

[Salik]

The irony is the 35M Pushtoons live in Pakistan. About 15M in Afghanistan, yet Pakistan's narrative is so weak on this issue that it finds itself playing on the backfoot to PTM and ANP's India peddled garbage.

Pashtuns make up around 38-42% of the population of Afghanistan, whereas in Pakistan, it is estimated to be around 15-20%. So they'll feel more comfortable and in the position of authority in Afghanistan, as compared to Pakistan.

If Pakistani establishment doesn't play carefully, it will keep amputating Pakistan one by one.

 

[Tornado23]

If the majority want independence, then pakistan should hold a referendum and then grant it to them. They have been preaching this for Kashmir for decades now. Time to walk the talk.

I agree. Hold the plebiscite in Kashmir. It's time for you to walk the talk

 

[Ssan]

Yeah it's low IQ to cry why roa Anwar was freed by establishment after rampant killing

Also low IQ to ask why were pushtoons and balochs extra judiciary killed..

No fair enough.

But couldn’t we have these protests happen under some sort of nationalist movement rather than an ethnic nationalist one? Why do the protests have to happen under the flag of ethnicity as opposed to justice or religion or something else?

 

[Erieye]

The irony is the 35M Pushtoons live in Pakistan. About 15M in Afghanistan, yet Pakistan's narrative is so weak on this issue that it finds itself playing on the backfoot to PTM and ANP's India peddled garbage.

What Pakistan needs to do is this.

A Pashtun leader, even Imran Khan can do this, must come forward and say that if the Afghan Pasthuns care so much for Lar O Bar, then the majority of these pashtuns live inside Pakistan, and have much more opportunities in daily life, so it would only make sense for bar Pasthuns to join the inner ones.

It is simple really. They can be Western Pakhuntkwa and have their own local government just like Khyber Pakhtunkwa has.

This should be the mainstream narrative officially taken by a Pak Pasthun in government. No other ethnicitiy but a Pashtun himself. They have countless refugees inside Pakistan anyways.

It should be stated that Pakistan is a confederation with local governments and laws, one group does not dominate over the others and everyone recieves equal rights including in governance. Unlike Afghanistan where the Tajiks, and Hazaras don't get the same. Pakistan is much more fair and just in this regard, although currently it is facing some problems.

Also it should be officially stated that all the terrorism lar pashtuns have suffered, the root cause has always been the bar pashtuns and the Afghan governments who continued to fund it in their lands, just like they continue with TTP today, and they also provided manpower the same way. Faqir of IPI and Bacha Khan both admitted this and have documented evidence of them warning lar pashtuns of Afghanistan.

@PanzerKiel @Signalian Opinions on the above solution to counter the Afghan narrative.

 

[ziaulislam]

No fair enough.

But couldn’t we have these protests happen under some sort of nationalist movement rather than an ethnic nationalist one? Why do the protests have to happen under the flag of ethnicity as opposed to justice or religion or something else?

We tried everything nothing works .
No one cares.
People were enjoying low inflation at cost of pushtoon blood (drones + CSF 3b$ A year) from 2011-2017 and were super happy about it

Even now people say.. sheer agaya ..they forget it was drone and CSF agaya not sheer agaya in 2012-2017

People only carred when Lahore was bombed..no one cares when Peshawar was bombed.
Even now no one cares..
Had this bomb been in Lahore you would have seen what I mean

 

[General Dong]

lumber 1 is hellbent on destroying Pakistan. they dont care what happens in KP or Balochistan, as long as their iron grip remains jn Punjab. DHA zindabaad

 

[ziaulislam]

What Pakistan needs to do is this.

A Pashtun leader, even Imran Khan can do this, must come forward and say that if the Afghan Pasthuns care so much for Lar O Bar, then the majority of these pashtuns live inside Pakistan, and have much more opportunities in daily life, so it would only make sense for bar Pasthuns to join the inner ones.

It is simple really. They can be Western Pakhuntkwa and have their own local government just like Khyber Pakhtunkwa has.

This should be the mainstream narrative officially taken by a Pak Pasthun in government. No other ethnicitiy but a Pashtun himself.

Pakistani pushtoons don't care about afghan. Because they are a minority..we care about behavior of rest of Pakistanis.


This is just a deflection by Pakistani

If the majority want independence, then pakistan should hold a referendum and then grant it to them. They have been preaching this for Kashmir for decades now. Time to walk the talk.

It was already held and people voted..you need to go back and read about it

 

[Erieye]

Pakistani pushtoons don't care about afghan. Because they are a minority..we care about behavior of rest of Pakistanis.


This is just a deflection by Pakistani

"Lar O Bar" statement would disagree with you.

The issue regarding the Durrand line would also disagree with you.

Afghan governments' continous historical stance would also disagree with you.

I am giving an all-round solution to counter all of the above, as well as address the problems internally.

Rest of Pakistanis may have many problems but i can also guarantee you they are not at the levels of racism and ethnocentrism as you, they are still quite fair people if you treat them kindly.

Tajiks and Hazaras haven't got that luxury in Afghanistan. That's why it is such a messed up country with internal civil wars.

People only carred when Lahore was bombed..no one cares when Peshawar was bombed.
Even now no one cares..
Had this bomb been in Lahore you would have seen what I mean

Well man, go to Lahore or Punab/Sindh/even southern Balochistan.

You will hardly find anyone cheering on the TTP and terrorists.

But you will find in KP and Waziristan many people who cheer it on and love it, they see it as a win. Even in the west i see these people.

In one part they celebrate it, in other part they cry about. This is being two-faced.

Please explain this hypocrisy and two faced actions @ziaulislam
If you explain this then everyone here is wrong and you are right.

How can people take you seriously when you both cheer and support it, but then also cry???

 

[hussain0216]

Yeah it's low IQ to cry why roa Anwar was freed by establishment after rampant killing

Also low IQ to ask why were pushtoons and balochs extra judiciary killed..

Yaar you have to kill terrorists,, we have had attacks on Pakistan for over 75 years, more then from India

Taliban only came in the 90's,, prior to that we had multiple attacks by Afghanistan and pashtun nationalists throughout the 40s, 50s, 60's, 70s, 80s and the last 20 years

If you don't fight back against your enemy they will just continue to hit you

 

[SD 10]

frankly, we have to understnad what makes them rebel, and try to rectify the situation socially and diplomatically. raise their standard of living, give them schools, hospitals and good governance!

 

[hussain0216]

"Lar O Bar" statement would disagree with you.

The issue regarding the Durrand line would also disagree with you.

Afghan governments' continous historical stance would also disagree with you.

I am giving an all-round solution to counter all of the above, as well as address the problems internally.

Rest of Pakistanis may have many problems but i can also guarantee you they are not at the levels of racism and ethnocentrism as you, they are still quite fair people if you treat them kindly.

Tajiks and Hazaras haven't got that luxury in Afghanistan. That's why it is such a messed up country with internal civil wars.


Well man, go to Lahore or Punab/Sindh/even southern Balochistan.

You will hardly find anyone cheering on the TTP and terrorists.

But you will find in KP and Waziristan many people who cheer it on and love it, they see it as a win. Even in the west i see these people.

In one part they celebrate it, in other part they cry about. This is being two-faced.

Please explain this hypocrisy and two faced actions @ziaulislam
If you explain this then everyone here is wrong and you are right.

How can people take you seriously when you both cheer and support it, but then also cry???

And that's the big problem they have

They have this narrative because a bunch of locals turn up in a field and say they want peace

When another group of the same locals support terrorism openly


It's why no one really knows what to do with them,




People ask why Pakistan tried to negotiate with the TTP, the reason was if those mofos listened then we wouldn't have to kill them

Underneath it all everyone understands the TTP are pashtuns, and they mix pashtun nationalism with religion

So if your forced to kill 10,000 TTP then you are killing 10,000 pashtuns


Now if the locals were truly against terrorism it wouldnt be a issue, but IT IS because the same people will then declare the TTP dead as innocent locals

It's round and round in circles because the locals are stuck in tribalistic mindset that they can't get out of

There is no right or wrong,, just ethnicity