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" It's India's right to have Permanent seat at UN Security Council " -PM Modi

First India should invest in sports and try to win more medals at the Olympics and in time even hold the games which would put India on the world stage and be a big PR coup. We still have a long way to go to deserve a seat at the table, we should concentrate on reducing poverty and improving health and education levels first.

Perhaps by 2025 we will be in a strong position for the UN seat.

China was made UN SC member even it was poor ...
just because it was part of winning side at end of WW II.

This is not about whether country is developed enough or not ...

This is about representation of mass of people and culture who are basically Peaceful ....

By every argument ...we deserve the place at UNSC ...to represent concerns and aspirations of the region and those wiwth who we share ideology of shared destiny ...to shared progress .
 
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What will happen if India gets permanent seat?
Our 'well wishers' will get endless constipation resulting in the continuous emission of methane leading to increase in noxious gases affecting global warming! :D
 
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First India should invest in sports and try to win more medals at the Olympics and in time even hold the games which would put India on the world stage and be a big PR coup. We still have a long way to go to deserve a seat at the table, we should concentrate on reducing poverty and improving health and education levels first.

Perhaps by 2025 we will be in a strong position for the UN seat.

agree, India still has a long way to go before it can claim a permanent seat in UNSC. In fact im surprise to see an efficient/pragmatic leader like Modi is begging for a seat publicly and making some funny remarks trying to justify it. Thing is by his own reasoning Japan and Germany should be giving a seat well before we start even thinking about India since both countries dwarf India in ALL FIELDS. So i think Modi should calm down and get things done in his country, when you have grown wealthy,powerful,successful it will be for everybody to see/come to terms with, then all othr thngs will come to you naturally. so just need to be more patient than begging for 'right to be a permanent member. That's how things work, if not many other countries would have long been members.lool

China was made UN SC member even it was poor ...
just because it was part of winning side at end of WW II.

This is not about whether country is developed enough or not ...

This is about representation of mass of people and culture who are basically Peaceful ....

By every argument ...we deserve the place at UNSC ...to represent concerns and aspirations of the region and those wiwth who we share ideology of shared destiny ...to shared progress .

China and all other current P5 members gain their seat because they were the major INDEPENDENT powers/ countries who emerged victorious during the second world war sacrificing millions of lives. In fact the only two independent countries in Asia back then were China and Japan, unfortunately for Japan it lost the war, if not Japan would have defintely being part of P5. But such is history/life. cant always have all we want.:)
 
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agree, India still has a long way to go before it can claim a permanent seat in UNSC. In fact im surprise to see an efficient/pragmatic leader like Modi is begging for a seat publicly and making some funny remarks trying to justify it. Thing is by his own reasoning Japan and Germany should be giving a seat well before we start even thinking about India since both countries dwarf India in ALL FIELDS. So i think Modi should calm down and get things done in his country, when you have grown wealthy,powerful,successful it will be for everybody to see/come to terms with, then all othr thngs will come to you naturally. so just need to be more patient than begging for 'right to be a permanent member. That's how things work, if not many other countries would have long been members.lool

He is not begging ..he is staking exhorting .

China was made UN SC member even when it was poor and developing country...
just because it was part of winning side at end of WW II.

IMAO China was not a power at all ...please read back the history ...what were the situation at the time China was virtually gifted UNSC seat ....

This is hypocrisy of west ...India and Indians fought two World wars shoulder to shoulder with allies and did not ask for anything ...China did not fight in any way except for its own sake ...in fact it was unwilling partner because japan attacked it in first place ...
US just rewarded China because of its co-operation to stage attacks against Japan ...

as far as japan and Germany is concerned off course they also deserve a place at UNSC ....along with Brazil and South Africa ....if we have to make UNSC democractic and reflective of current order and truly representative of the commity of nations it espouses to Unite ....
This is not about whether country is developed enough or not ...

This is about representation of mass of people and culture who are basically Peaceful ....

By every argument ...we deserve the place at UNSC ...to represent concerns and aspirations of the region and those with who we share ideology of combined destiny ...to collective progress .

Exclusion of 1/5'th of humanity from body as crucial as UNSC ...can 't be reconciled with any logic or reason ....
 
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Good points. :tup:

Don't blame Modi. He is merely a puppet(an uneducated phuddu, see his body language in foreign nations :rofl:). Indian elites are bootlickers of DOLLAR loans and white a$$. That's why constant begging for this and that from West. China don't give a F*CK to Dollar loans, they print their own currency and promote it worldwide.

China is launching own world Banks and Modi is busy licking a$$ of Moody,Fitch type white-men controlled "Rating" agencies. China has created own Rating agencies. But phuddu indians love white a$$, no need of growing own feets. :cheesy:

Today, India has capability to make own C-17 type planes, but indian elites don't want to grow on own feets. They want India under English Civilization(USA,Canada,Australia,EU) security umbrella.

Chinese elites(corporate leaders, Communist party, basically "HAN chinese") are not mental slaves like this. They want China to develop as own free, independent Civilization.

Its a question of mindset. India is under "awe" of English. Indian elites compare india with Pakistan, Somalia, Bangladesh and feel proud. (Compare urself with sh1t and feel proud. LOL) :tdown:

Chinese elite compare USA with China and mock USA for its faults(genocide of natives/blacks/women, high rapes, high divorce rate, high drugs-consuming kids,college shootings, uncivilized Tenesse streets) and laugh. Every year, USA issues "human rights report on China", within a week China issues "human rights report on USA" and blasts their a$$. :rofl:

Compare this to phuddu Modi - "sir, we are trying to control rapes. we are trying best, sir. please give us UNSC, sir. :cray:". LOL !! atleast that MMS was better, he kept his mouth shut rather than embarrassing with silly replies. :tdown:
 
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what has racism got to do with this?? jeez....:tsk: this is geo politocs/power games. you do know that several countries in south america like Argentina, chile etc are white right??.
i would like to inform u that i replied to a guy who was talking about rights of africans and black americans. Rest was related to thread
 
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He is not begging ..he is staking exhorting .

China was made UN SC member even when it was poor and developing country...
just because it was part of winning side at end of WW II.

IMAO China was not a power at all ...please read back the history ...what were the situation at the time China was virtually gifted UNSC seat ....

This is hypocrisy of west ...India and Indians fought two World wars shoulder to shoulder with allies and did not ask for anything ...China did not fight in any way except for its own sake ...in fact it was unwilling partner because japan attacked it in first place ...
US just rewarded China because of its co-operation to stage attacks against Japan ...

as far as japan and Germany is concerned off course they also deserve a place at UNSC ....along with Brazil and South Africa ....if we have to make UNSC democractic and reflective of current order and truly representative of the commity of nations it espouses to Unite ....
This is not about whether country is developed enough or not ...

This is about representation of mass of people and culture who are basically Peaceful ....

By every argument ...we deserve the place at UNSC ...to represent concerns and aspirations of the region and those with who we share ideology of combined destiny ...to collective progress .

Exclusion of 1/5'th of humanity from body as crucial as UNSC ...can 't be reconciled with any logic or reason ....

LOOL Calm down bro, India fought two world wars under our rule/control , you were not independent at all, you were part of our empire, so you had no say/control at all, we made the rules and trained/armed your soldiers and transported them to the battle field, we did it with several other countries that were part of our empire. By that reasoning all our former colonies whose soldiers participated in the war under us ought to get a seat as well, since they fought for us.loool As i said the only two independent countries in Asia back then was China and Japan full stop. Chinas role under the KMT was also crucial, since they were able to hold off Imperial japan's formidable army for almost 10 years(yes way longer than we fought the second world war) while fighting a civil war at the same time, thats no easy task, had India been in the same situation without our security cover/rule, Japan would have conquered it in a few months. So yes they contributed alot as well to Japans defeat, for your infos almost 50% of Japans casualty during the war was against the KMT China. So thats how they go their seat after the war being an independent country, im sure India would have been a member as well had it been an independent country as well. so we have to put things into perspective and avoid acting emotionally bro:)

I agree with your last point , many people have been saying the same thing for decades now. Fact of the matter is that the world has never been a fair place, and it will never be. So we can keep going on about how Japan, Germany, India, south Africa, brazil etc deserve a seat, but that wont change anything, the established powers P5 wont want to dilute their interests/influence by letting others members in, thats the simple fact. Im for an enlarge UNSC membership, since i think it will be credible should it let in more members, but that's just wishful thinking and wont change anything.
 
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He is not begging ..he is staking exhorting .

China was made UN SC member even when it was poor and developing country...
just because it was part of winning side at end of WW II.

IMAO China was not a power at all ...please read back the history ...what were the situation at the time China was virtually gifted UNSC seat ....

This is hypocrisy of west ...India and Indians fought two World wars shoulder to shoulder with allies and did not ask for anything ...China did not fight in any way except for its own sake ...in fact it was unwilling partner because japan attacked it in first place ...
US just rewarded China because of its co-operation to stage attacks against Japan ...

as far as japan and Germany is concerned off course they also deserve a place at UNSC ....along with Brazil and South Africa ....if we have to make UNSC democractic and reflective of current order and truly representative of the commity of nations it espouses to Unite ....
This is not about whether country is developed enough or not ...

This is about representation of mass of people and culture who are basically Peaceful ....

By every argument ...we deserve the place at UNSC ...to represent concerns and aspirations of the region and those with who we share ideology of combined destiny ...to collective progress .

Exclusion of 1/5'th of humanity from body as crucial as UNSC ...can 't be reconciled with any logic or reason ....


Appreciate modi for his strong pitching but all this is just farce

We have to understand reality

They are not going to expand security Council any time in near future

All this taking of UN reforms and 'we support india for a seat in Council' is utter eyewash to fool us

It's up to us whether to get fooled or come yo terms with reality
 
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LOOL Calm down bro, India fought two world wars under our rule/control , you were not independent at all, you were part of our empire, so you had no say/control at all, we made the rules and trained/armed your soldiers and transported them to the battle field, we did it with several other countries that were part of our empire. By that reasoning al our former colonies ought to get a seat as well, since they fought for us.loool As i said theonly two independent countries in Asia back then was China and Japan full stop. Chinas role under the KMT was also crucial, since they were able to hold off Imperial japans formidable army for almost 10 years(yes way longer than we fought the second world war) while fighting a civil war at the same time, thats no easy task, had India been in the same situation without our security cover/rule, Japan would have conquered it in a few months. So yes they contributed alot as well to Japans defeat, for your infos almost 50% of Japans casualty during the war was against the KMT China. So thats how they go their seat after the war being an independent country. so we have to put things into perspective and avoid acting emotionally bro:)

I agree with your last point , many people have been saying the ame thing for decades now. Fact of the matter is that the world has never been a fair place, and it will never be. So we can keep going on about how Japan, Germany, India, south Africa, brazil etc deserve a seat, but that wont change anything, the established powers P5 wont want to dilute thi interests/influence by letting others members in, thats the simple fact. Im for an enlarge UNSC members, since i think it will be credible should it let in more members, but that's just wishful thinking and wont change anything.

You are wrong British rules sought consent and help of Indian political parties and local govts which willingly contributed to forces to fight in WW I and WW II .

We had say and we could have refused to fight battle.
You are naive enough to generalize the argument for all the British colonies ...

did i say that we should be UNSC just because we fought alongside allies ?

all the while we have been saying that current UNSC structure reflects 1945 era ...which must change and it must take into account the prevailing world order ..and so India, Japan, Germany, Brazil, South Africa must be accommodated in UNSC to make it truly representative of the world today ...
do you understand what i am trying to say ?

I am not acting emotionally Bro,

I am acting rather rrationally.

Can you see my reasoning and line of argument ?
 
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India needs to wait till at least 2030 before it can be considered for a permanent seat.

It needs to become a middle-income country and must be self-sufficient in virtually all armaments before it deserves it's place.
 
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Qualification required for UNSC
1)nuclear bomb
2)ballistic missile with more then 10000km
3)submarine 2nd strike with mirv

They (5 veto power) will serve you membership

Urging is also begging Mr prime minister lol
 
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India needs to wait till at least 2030 before it can be considered for a permanent seat.

It needs to become a middle-income country and must be self-sufficient in virtually all armaments before it deserves it's place.

Since when being a middle income country ..and being self sufficient in armaments became criteria for UNSC ...?

The question is not about the socio-economic status of country but its representative value in body as crucial as UNSC ...which can authorise act of war against other countries ...

It is different thing that US and its allies through NATO has made all efforts to weaken UNSC ...

strong and just UNSC is at heart of concept of UN ....

My argument is that addition of countries like India, Japan, Brazil, South Africa will make UNSC more democratic and representative of current world order ....

Has India not been a responsible member on an international community ?

has India not strived for success of UN and its subsidairy bodies ?

how can we exclude of 1/5'th of humanity without giving it representation in its most crucial body ?

This is not about fairness to India ...this is about fairness to World at large ....
 
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Since when being a middle income country ..and being self sufficient in armaments became criteria for UNSC ...?

The question is not about the socio-economic status of country but its representative value in body as crucial as UNSC ...which can authorise act of war against other countries ...

It is different thing that US and its allies through NATO has made all efforts to weaken UNSC ...

strong and just UNSC is at heart of concept of UN ....

My argument is that addition of countries like India, Japan, Brazil, South Africa will make UNSC more democratic and representative of current world order ....

Has India not been a responsible member on an international community ?

has India not strived for success of UN and its subsidairy bodies ?

how can we exclude of 1/5'th of humanity without giving it representation in its most crucial body ?

This is not about fairness to India ...this is about fairness to World at large ....

A hungry India that needs to import weapons cannot be an independent voice.
 
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