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It's GE F-414 for LCA Mk-II; EJ-200 loses the race in photo finish

Why are people so insecure about GE engines.. Is nt it the GE engines we gonna use in our AirCraft Carriers too??

GE engines on Tejas and IAC is totally un comparable dude... Tejas should be made free of america's technology because it has suffered enough.. while no one cares about rest if america's product is used or not :agree:
 
American engine to power LCA

American engine to power LCA
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi October 01, 2010, 0:16 IST

In a last-minute twist, General Electric of the US has bagged the hotly contested $800-million tender to supply 99 engines for India’s Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA). After both engines in the contest — GE’s F-414 and Eurojet’s EJ-200 — were found technically suitable, the F-414 has been declared the cheaper option.

The choice of the GE-414 engine boosts the chances of America’s F/A-18 fighter and the Swedish Gripen NG in the $11-billion tender for an Indian Air Force medium fighter. Conversely, it is a blow to the Eurofighter, which is powered by twin EJ-200 engines.

In the initial commercial bids, opened in mid-September, Eurojet ($666 million) had bid lower than GE ($822 million). But, after two weeks of intensive evaluation by a defence ministry price negotiating committee, GE has been ruled the cheaper option.
“After evaluation and acceptance of the technical offer provided by both Eurojet and GE Aviation, the commercial quotes were compared in detail and GE Aviation was declared as the lowest bidder. Further price negotiations and contract finalisation will follow,” the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) announced today.

DRDO insiders say the price negotiating committee held several meetings for clarifications with Eurojet and GE representatives since the commercial bids were opened. After factoring in these clarifications, the GE engine was found to be cheaper.

The decision to buy the GE engine had been taken last week, but was only announced today in Bangalore in the presence of representatives from both companies.

Eurojet executives complain that a revised bid, submitted by them last night, was not taken into account.

Top DRDO officials emphatically reject any suggestion that US pressure had resulted in turning around the decision in favour of GE. “We had to factor in several expenses that the companies had not included in their bids. This is not surprising, since this was an extremely complex bidding process. But, after we evaluated and added in all expenses, GE was the cheaper vendor,” said a senior DRDO official.

Company and DRDO sources say the additional expenses added on to the Eurojet bid included the cost of extra transfer of technology that the company had offered and the price of tooling to build the engine in India.

Although narrowly pipped at the post, Eurojet has not given up hope. Said Eurojet Business Development Executive Paul Herrmann: “We remain optimistic about this tender. Over the next year, I believe the Indian defence ministry will encounter problems in obtaining US sanctions for transfer of technology relating to the GE engine. And, if GE fails to meet these Indian requirements, the contract will come to us.”

In a statement, the company said: "We expect further details from Indian authorities and more information about the process leading to the announced selection."

Defence ministry indicate that negotiations with GE will continue at least until mid-2011. Thereafter, the US company would be given 121 days (plus an allowable extension of two months) to obtain permission from the US government to transfer technology to build the engine in India.
 
Good to hear that now LCA engine is sorted out. EU or US doesn't matter, lets hope in coming years we have kaveri engine for our birds :tup:
 
Though both F414 and EJ200 are good engines but EJ200 is better in every way. Its newer and has a good future. I think DRDO thought about overall service life not just the cost of the engine.

BTW I am not happy with this decision. :disagree:

the US company would be given 121 days (plus an allowable extension of two months) to obtain permission from the US government to transfer technology to build the engine in India.

It seems like we have learned nothing from past.
 
American engine to power LCA

American engine to power LCA
Ajai Shukla / New Delhi October 01, 2010, 0:16 IST

In a last-minute twist, General Electric of the US has bagged the hotly contested $800-million tender to supply 99 engines for India’s Tejas light combat aircraft (LCA). After both engines in the contest — GE’s F-414 and Eurojet’s EJ-200 — were found technically suitable, the F-414 has been declared the cheaper option.

The choice of the GE-414 engine boosts the chances of America’s F/A-18 fighter and the Swedish Gripen NG in the $11-billion tender for an Indian Air Force medium fighter. Conversely, it is a blow to the Eurofighter, which is powered by twin EJ-200 engines.

In the initial commercial bids, opened in mid-September, Eurojet ($666 million) had bid lower than GE ($822 million). But, after two weeks of intensive evaluation by a defence ministry price negotiating committee, GE has been ruled the cheaper option.
“After evaluation and acceptance of the technical offer provided by both Eurojet and GE Aviation, the commercial quotes were compared in detail and GE Aviation was declared as the lowest bidder. Further price negotiations and contract finalisation will follow,” the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO) announced today.

DRDO insiders say the price negotiating committee held several meetings for clarifications with Eurojet and GE representatives since the commercial bids were opened. After factoring in these clarifications, the GE engine was found to be cheaper.

The decision to buy the GE engine had been taken last week, but was only announced today in Bangalore in the presence of representatives from both companies.

Eurojet executives complain that a revised bid, submitted by them last night, was not taken into account.

Top DRDO officials emphatically reject any suggestion that US pressure had resulted in turning around the decision in favour of GE. “We had to factor in several expenses that the companies had not included in their bids. This is not surprising, since this was an extremely complex bidding process. But, after we evaluated and added in all expenses, GE was the cheaper vendor,” said a senior DRDO official.

Company and DRDO sources say the additional expenses added on to the Eurojet bid included the cost of extra transfer of technology that the company had offered and the price of tooling to build the engine in India.

Although narrowly pipped at the post, Eurojet has not given up hope. Said Eurojet Business Development Executive Paul Herrmann: “We remain optimistic about this tender. Over the next year, I believe the Indian defence ministry will encounter problems in obtaining US sanctions for transfer of technology relating to the GE engine. And, if GE fails to meet these Indian requirements, the contract will come to us.”

In a statement, the company said: "We expect further details from Indian authorities and more information about the process leading to the announced selection."

Defence ministry indicate that negotiations with GE will continue at least until mid-2011. Thereafter, the US company would be given 121 days (plus an allowable extension of two months) to obtain permission from the US government to transfer technology to build the engine in India.


buhaaa buhaaa bold parts nearly impossible... US will never allows this not even to its ally.. forget about India which is never in there Radar.. :chilli: ... If they still want to buy the engine then it will be with out TOT for sure
 
Though both F414 and EJ200 are good engines but EJ200 is better in every way. Its newer and has a good future. I think DRDO thought about overall service life not just the cost of the engine.

BTW I am not happy with this decision. :disagree:

the US company would be given 121 days (plus an allowable extension of two months) to obtain permission from the US government to transfer technology to build the engine in India.

It seems like we have learned nothing from past.

Exactly they are yet to get the permission??? then forget it.. now i accept the babus are intelligent they knew permission will be denied and they will give the same to Europe... so that they can please america by saying we selected it you reject it :victory:
 
^ Obama visiting in Nov. My contacts in GE tell me that Jeff Immelt (CEO GE)may accompany him. Big talks on Nuclear energy on the anvil

GE CEO already met Manmohan singh the US puppet. Read today's ToI for more.
 
Ab yeh kya hai..??
Any body got any idea which model is this..F414-GE-INS6 ...??
It is being called as the highest-rated F414 model and includes state-of-the-art technology to meet India’s demanding Air Force and Naval requirements

Which model is this..EDE,EPE...???
 
I have a question..


What is dry trust and what is wet trust??

How is after burner related to the above??

And finally what is the specification of GE F414 for the above... i can get only one 98Kn...
 
I have a question..


What is dry trust and what is wet trust??

How is after burner related to the above??

And finally what is the specification of GE F414 for the above... i can get only one 98Kn...

When a fighter aircraft is using afterburners to get more thrust from their engines they are said to be operating in WET state.

Regarding Specification of GE-414 , nothing is clear . But if the reports of 20% increase in thrust is true then it will be 98KN+20%..This is wet thrust not dry.
 
GE CEO already met Manmohan singh the US puppet. Read today's ToI for more.

That was some days back. I am talking about the nov visit. If Immelt does come, it will be more of a business interaction with Indian Industry leaders rather than a political one
 
When a fighter aircraft is using afterburners to get more thrust from their engines they are said to be operating in WET state.

Regarding Specification of GE-414 , nothing is clear . But if the reports of 20% increase in thrust is true then it will be 98KN+20%..This is wet thrust not dry.

Any idea on dry thrust??... because most of the time Aircraft will be on dry thrust
 
Say hi to our MMRCA winner.....

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First of all say thanks to SRILANKAN for telling you about MRCA winner months before the result....!:P
 
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