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By Kanwal Sibal 23 Dec 2014

The problem for India is that Pakistan is unable to deal with domestic terrorism, which is become more lethal - as the latest incident of the brutal killing of school children in Peshawar shows.

At the same time, it is unwilling to deal with terrorism from its soil directed at India and Afghanistan, because the groups involved are considered as strategic assets.

Denial

The gut issue is that the groups nurtured by Pakistan to promote terrorist attacks against us are viewed as freedom fighters and not terrorists. If jihad is a religious obligation, then for Pakistan to treat jihadi groups as terrorist groups would be going against basic Islamic tenets.

A huge gap therefore exits in how we characterise anti-India jihadi groups in Pakistan, and how Pakistan sees them.

For us they are terrorists; for the Pakistanis they are groups fighting for Kashmir’s freedom and against Indian atrocities on their co-religionists there.

We, therefore, talk at cross purposes when we speak about cooperating with each other in combating the menace of terrorism. Pakistan tactically accepts the inclusion of terrorism in our dialogue agenda because otherwise India will not talk about Kashmir, which is Pakistan’s core issue.

Because of the enormity of the Mumbai attacks in which foreign nationals were also killed, a Pakistani was caught alive and a US informer identified the masterminds in Pakistan, the latter could no longer resort to its habitual denials and obfuscations about its responsibility.

Subsequently, Pakistan has used all possible legal and procedural tricks to delay trying those responsible for the Mumbai massacre, citing India’s own dilatory legal processes, and, more deplorably, alleging, as Nawaz Sharif’s foreign policy adviser has just done, that India has not provided enough evidence to inculpate the accused.

Pakistan has been shifting the responsibility for the delay in the trial on to India’s shoulders, when all the evidence is there and it is incumbent on Pakistani authorities to do the necessary investigation.

It clearly has no interest in getting to the bottom of the case and unveiling the complicity of its state agencies in it.

Cornered, Pakistan has been striking back by equating the Mumbai attack to the one on the Samjhauta Express and citing the delay in the Samjhauta investigation to justify that in the case of those accused of the Mumbai mayhem.

Worse, the Pakistanis now exhibit impatience with India’s insistence on playing the old and tiresome Mumbai record, and conveniently advise us to look ahead rather than remain fixated on the past.

For them, Indian accusations of Pakistani involvement in terrorism have no basis, as Pakistan is itself a victim of terrorism, and they regurgitate, irrelevantly for us, the figures of casualties suffered by its citizens and security forces to prove the country’s innocence.

Malign

India is charged with deliberately maligning Pakistan’s image internationally by our allegations. To erode any high moral ground that India may have gained in the exposure of Pakistani terrorist links with Mumbai, Pakistan harps on Indian involvement in the Baluchistan insurgency.

In a feverish bid to ensure that the two countries have parity in misdeeds, we are accused of supporting the homicidal Pakistani Taliban in cahoots with the Afghan intelligence.

Pakistan would have concluded in the last six years that while India regularly raises the Mumbai trial issue, it is not making engagement with the Pakistan contingent on progress.

If the dialogue has been interrupted in the past, it is for other reasons, such as beheadings of Indian soldiers on the LoC or the Pakistani High Commissioner meeting the Hurriyat leaders inopportunely.

The US and some others too, in joint statements with us, ask Pakistan to proceed expeditiously with the trial. But for Pakistan all this is pro-forma, with no costs imposed for recalcitrance.

President Obama has just announced a $1 billion compensation package for Pakistan, even when he is imposing severe sanctions on President Putin’s Russia, which neither gave shelter to Osama bin Laden nor supported the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani group to cause loss of US lives.

Our reaction to the recent gruesome incident at Peshawar should be in this larger context. Even though we are the biggest victims of Pakistani terrorism, our sincere condolences to Pakistan over this horror were completely in order.

But, then, more people were killed or wounded as wantonly in Mumbai – 164 dead and 308 wounded. The dead may not have been children, but they left children behind.

Realities


Instead of any outpouring of grief in Pakistan at this horrific act, the reaction there was to deny Pakistani involvement, or that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani. It was even suggested by Pakistan’s Interior Minister that our own agencies may have engineered this act.

Foreign diplomats in Delhi did not participate in a candle light vigil outside the Indian Foreign Office in sympathy, with the Pakistani High Commissioner present. Unlike us, the Pakistani parliament and Pakistani schools did not observe two minutes of silence over Mumbai.

Former President Musharraf holds RAW and Afghan intelligence responsible for the Peshawar attack and advocates retaliation. Hafiz Saeed sings the same tune - as do, apparently, sections of the Pakistani media.

The effort is to shield the Pakistani Taliban from the ignominy of their act and prevent much-needed soul-searching at the national level.

The day after we go out of our way to express solidarity with our long-time tormentor, a Pakistani court orders the release of the principal accused in the Mumbai case.

There is a lesson to be learnt from all this – about Pakistan’s structural inability to erase terrorism from its soil.

But when it comes to Pakistan, we prefer the comfort of hopes over hard realities.

The writer is a former Foreign Secretary

It may be hard to accept, but Pakistan won't help India on terror | Daily Mail Online
 
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Simple ....and clear...


Why would Pakistan help its sworn enemy by neutralizing its own assets

Why..... Why.....

They will destroy Pakistan to get back at India by refusing destroy terrorist infrastructures in Pakistani punjab and p0k.
 
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Then both can keep playing the game. Whos time and energy are both wasting? Their own.
 
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Pakistan goverment has delayed the bail of 26/11 attacker what more help you need? Despite the fact that india is actively funding ttp.You should be thankfull with that.
 
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Did we ask indians to hold 2 mint silent or candle light vigils? No, so what's the point of "Bar bar Jatana ek baat " It's better to be truthful and remain silent than to to bshow fake sympathy and then chest thump how morally superior we are.

Coming back to Balochistan accusations, If anyone has doubt. Ex President and Pakistan Chief of Army Staff Pervaiz Musharraf is on record to blame india for helping Brahmdagh bugti. These are not mere allegations, but a statement coming from a man of authority not some wannabe, 50 cent indian who doesn't have access to Tier 1 Intelligence

Why would we offer milk to snake who would bite us in back with any chance he get ? Indians are helping Balochis since 2005 when Insurgency flared up in balochistan. Then you are training, funding, providing tech and material support to Afghan intelligence who in turns help TTP. A proven fact once again.

Unless you are to mend your ways, We will not reconsider our approach in providing help, until then stop acting with Holier than thou attitude. This is akin to bunch of wanna be shuddars trying to act Brahmins. !
 
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The paper contains a lot of drivel regurgitated by keyboard-warrior arm-chair expert bharatis every day. All of these have been discussed a million times and have been shown to be overly simplistic and even non-sensical.

The article also indulges in fantastic conspiracy theories, by claiming that Pakistan sheltered OBL, even though White House (the highest office in the US, the supposed victim here) has rubbished the claim, and the usual "Pakistan supports Afghan Taliban and Haqqanis" conspiracy theories which are backed by no evidence. These too have been debunked in the past, yet one would be surprised if bharatis were not to persist with these conspiracy theories.
 
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By Kanwal Sibal 23 Dec 2014

The problem for India is that Pakistan is unable to deal with domestic terrorism, which is become more lethal - as the latest incident of the brutal killing of school children in Peshawar shows.

At the same time, it is unwilling to deal with terrorism from its soil directed at India and Afghanistan, because the groups involved are considered as strategic assets.

Denial

The gut issue is that the groups nurtured by Pakistan to promote terrorist attacks against us are viewed as freedom fighters and not terrorists. If jihad is a religious obligation, then for Pakistan to treat jihadi groups as terrorist groups would be going against basic Islamic tenets.

A huge gap therefore exits in how we characterise anti-India jihadi groups in Pakistan, and how Pakistan sees them.

For us they are terrorists; for the Pakistanis they are groups fighting for Kashmir’s freedom and against Indian atrocities on their co-religionists there.

We, therefore, talk at cross purposes when we speak about cooperating with each other in combating the menace of terrorism. Pakistan tactically accepts the inclusion of terrorism in our dialogue agenda because otherwise India will not talk about Kashmir, which is Pakistan’s core issue.

Because of the enormity of the Mumbai attacks in which foreign nationals were also killed, a Pakistani was caught alive and a US informer identified the masterminds in Pakistan, the latter could no longer resort to its habitual denials and obfuscations about its responsibility.

Subsequently, Pakistan has used all possible legal and procedural tricks to delay trying those responsible for the Mumbai massacre, citing India’s own dilatory legal processes, and, more deplorably, alleging, as Nawaz Sharif’s foreign policy adviser has just done, that India has not provided enough evidence to inculpate the accused.

Pakistan has been shifting the responsibility for the delay in the trial on to India’s shoulders, when all the evidence is there and it is incumbent on Pakistani authorities to do the necessary investigation.

It clearly has no interest in getting to the bottom of the case and unveiling the complicity of its state agencies in it.

Cornered, Pakistan has been striking back by equating the Mumbai attack to the one on the Samjhauta Express and citing the delay in the Samjhauta investigation to justify that in the case of those accused of the Mumbai mayhem.

Worse, the Pakistanis now exhibit impatience with India’s insistence on playing the old and tiresome Mumbai record, and conveniently advise us to look ahead rather than remain fixated on the past.

For them, Indian accusations of Pakistani involvement in terrorism have no basis, as Pakistan is itself a victim of terrorism, and they regurgitate, irrelevantly for us, the figures of casualties suffered by its citizens and security forces to prove the country’s innocence.

Malign

India is charged with deliberately maligning Pakistan’s image internationally by our allegations. To erode any high moral ground that India may have gained in the exposure of Pakistani terrorist links with Mumbai, Pakistan harps on Indian involvement in the Baluchistan insurgency.

In a feverish bid to ensure that the two countries have parity in misdeeds, we are accused of supporting the homicidal Pakistani Taliban in cahoots with the Afghan intelligence.

Pakistan would have concluded in the last six years that while India regularly raises the Mumbai trial issue, it is not making engagement with the Pakistan contingent on progress.

If the dialogue has been interrupted in the past, it is for other reasons, such as beheadings of Indian soldiers on the LoC or the Pakistani High Commissioner meeting the Hurriyat leaders inopportunely.

The US and some others too, in joint statements with us, ask Pakistan to proceed expeditiously with the trial. But for Pakistan all this is pro-forma, with no costs imposed for recalcitrance.

President Obama has just announced a $1 billion compensation package for Pakistan, even when he is imposing severe sanctions on President Putin’s Russia, which neither gave shelter to Osama bin Laden nor supported the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani group to cause loss of US lives.

Our reaction to the recent gruesome incident at Peshawar should be in this larger context. Even though we are the biggest victims of Pakistani terrorism, our sincere condolences to Pakistan over this horror were completely in order.

But, then, more people were killed or wounded as wantonly in Mumbai – 164 dead and 308 wounded. The dead may not have been children, but they left children behind.

Realities


Instead of any outpouring of grief in Pakistan at this horrific act, the reaction there was to deny Pakistani involvement, or that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani. It was even suggested by Pakistan’s Interior Minister that our own agencies may have engineered this act.

Foreign diplomats in Delhi did not participate in a candle light vigil outside the Indian Foreign Office in sympathy, with the Pakistani High Commissioner present. Unlike us, the Pakistani parliament and Pakistani schools did not observe two minutes of silence over Mumbai.

Former President Musharraf holds RAW and Afghan intelligence responsible for the Peshawar attack and advocates retaliation. Hafiz Saeed sings the same tune - as do, apparently, sections of the Pakistani media.

The effort is to shield the Pakistani Taliban from the ignominy of their act and prevent much-needed soul-searching at the national level.

The day after we go out of our way to express solidarity with our long-time tormentor, a Pakistani court orders the release of the principal accused in the Mumbai case.

There is a lesson to be learnt from all this – about Pakistan’s structural inability to erase terrorism from its soil.

But when it comes to Pakistan, we prefer the comfort of hopes over hard realities.

The writer is a former Foreign Secretary

It may be hard to accept, but Pakistan won't help India on terror | Daily Mail Online


It may be hard for some fake secular to accept the truth. . No body having any knowledge of Pakistan thinks that Pakistan shall stop spreading the terror in india. I heard one lecture of Ajit Kumar doval. He stated that we should not afraid that what happened if TTP will take over Pakistan? He said that even TTP listen to Devband more than Pakistan army.

So our strategic circle have a little doubt about the intention of Pakistan helping LET, LEJ,IM etc. Good thing on india's part is that our stretagic planners do not live in fool's paradise and accept the reality. Our all future strategy shall be formed keeping Pakistan's intention in mind.
 
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Did we ask indians to hold 2 mint silent or candle light vigils? No, so what's the point of "Bar bar Jatana ek baat " It's better to be truthful and remain silent than to to bshow fake sympathy and then chest thump how morally superior we are.

Coming back to Balochistan accusations, If anyone has doubt. Ex President and Pakistan Chief of Army Staff Pervaiz Musharraf is on record to blame india for helping Brahmdagh bugti. These are not mere allegations, but a statement coming from a man of authority not some wannabe, 50 cent indian who doesn't have access to Tier 1 Intelligence

Why would we offer milk to snake who would bite us in back with any chance he get ? Indians are helping Balochis since 2005 when Insurgency flared up in balochistan. Then you are training, funding, providing tech and material support to Afghan intelligence who in turns help TTP. A proven fact once again.

Unless you are to mend your ways, We will not reconsider our approach in providing help, until then stop acting with Holier than thou attitude. This is akin to bunch of wanna be shuddars trying to act Brahmins. !

Too bad.Such an irresponsible and basless claim from a TTA.
Yes Parvez Musharaff was your President and Army General.But entire world including Pakistan what that man did during Kargil.
In fact he didnt get enough support from Pak.media.He was the same guy whoinitiated a border skirmish on the basis of a lie and force his subordinates to reject the bodies of bravemen of Pakistan who fought for their nation.Then he did a bloodless coup to cover his treachery.I am asking you Can you trust his words?Does anyone can trust him?

Insurgency and support is another subject .Dont need to go there.Because we tasted the difficulties of terrorismdecades before the so called WoT.
Of course we also did some mistakes like LTTE.And we got its reward .


On topic:Let them deny.We shouldnt ask them for the help.We should go on our own way.

The paper contains a lot of drivel regurgitated by keyboard-warrior arm-chair expert bharatis every day. All of these have been discussed a million times and have been shown to be overly simplistic and even non-sensical.

The article also indulges in fantastic conspiracy theories, by claiming that Pakistan sheltered OBL, even though White House (the highest office in the US, the supposed victim here) has rubbished the claim, and the usual "Pakistan supports Afghan Taliban and Haqqanis" conspiracy theories which are backed by no evidence. These too have been debunked in the past, yet one would be surprised if bharatis were not to persist with these conspiracy theories.

Well you should check the last sentence.
He was not a mere armchair experts.He had enough authority. to access something that TTA pointed there.
 
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Well you should check the last sentence.
He was not a mere armchair experts.He had enough authority. to access something that TTA pointed there.

He has his opinion and knowledge, and he also posits that bharati supports terrorists inside Pakistan. I am basing what I say on public knowledge, which is that US denied any official Pakistan government involvement in protecting OBL, whilst no evidence exists that Pakistan has been supporting Afghan Taliban or Haqqanis in the recent past.
 
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By Kanwal Sibal 23 Dec 2014

The problem for India is that Pakistan is unable to deal with domestic terrorism, which is become more lethal - as the latest incident of the brutal killing of school children in Peshawar shows.

At the same time, it is unwilling to deal with terrorism from its soil directed at India and Afghanistan, because the groups involved are considered as strategic assets.

Denial

The gut issue is that the groups nurtured by Pakistan to promote terrorist attacks against us are viewed as freedom fighters and not terrorists. If jihad is a religious obligation, then for Pakistan to treat jihadi groups as terrorist groups would be going against basic Islamic tenets.

A huge gap therefore exits in how we characterise anti-India jihadi groups in Pakistan, and how Pakistan sees them.

For us they are terrorists; for the Pakistanis they are groups fighting for Kashmir’s freedom and against Indian atrocities on their co-religionists there.

We, therefore, talk at cross purposes when we speak about cooperating with each other in combating the menace of terrorism. Pakistan tactically accepts the inclusion of terrorism in our dialogue agenda because otherwise India will not talk about Kashmir, which is Pakistan’s core issue.

Because of the enormity of the Mumbai attacks in which foreign nationals were also killed, a Pakistani was caught alive and a US informer identified the masterminds in Pakistan, the latter could no longer resort to its habitual denials and obfuscations about its responsibility.

Subsequently, Pakistan has used all possible legal and procedural tricks to delay trying those responsible for the Mumbai massacre, citing India’s own dilatory legal processes, and, more deplorably, alleging, as Nawaz Sharif’s foreign policy adviser has just done, that India has not provided enough evidence to inculpate the accused.

Pakistan has been shifting the responsibility for the delay in the trial on to India’s shoulders, when all the evidence is there and it is incumbent on Pakistani authorities to do the necessary investigation.

It clearly has no interest in getting to the bottom of the case and unveiling the complicity of its state agencies in it.

Cornered, Pakistan has been striking back by equating the Mumbai attack to the one on the Samjhauta Express and citing the delay in the Samjhauta investigation to justify that in the case of those accused of the Mumbai mayhem.

Worse, the Pakistanis now exhibit impatience with India’s insistence on playing the old and tiresome Mumbai record, and conveniently advise us to look ahead rather than remain fixated on the past.

For them, Indian accusations of Pakistani involvement in terrorism have no basis, as Pakistan is itself a victim of terrorism, and they regurgitate, irrelevantly for us, the figures of casualties suffered by its citizens and security forces to prove the country’s innocence.

Malign

India is charged with deliberately maligning Pakistan’s image internationally by our allegations. To erode any high moral ground that India may have gained in the exposure of Pakistani terrorist links with Mumbai, Pakistan harps on Indian involvement in the Baluchistan insurgency.

In a feverish bid to ensure that the two countries have parity in misdeeds, we are accused of supporting the homicidal Pakistani Taliban in cahoots with the Afghan intelligence.

Pakistan would have concluded in the last six years that while India regularly raises the Mumbai trial issue, it is not making engagement with the Pakistan contingent on progress.

If the dialogue has been interrupted in the past, it is for other reasons, such as beheadings of Indian soldiers on the LoC or the Pakistani High Commissioner meeting the Hurriyat leaders inopportunely.

The US and some others too, in joint statements with us, ask Pakistan to proceed expeditiously with the trial. But for Pakistan all this is pro-forma, with no costs imposed for recalcitrance.

President Obama has just announced a $1 billion compensation package for Pakistan, even when he is imposing severe sanctions on President Putin’s Russia, which neither gave shelter to Osama bin Laden nor supported the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani group to cause loss of US lives.

Our reaction to the recent gruesome incident at Peshawar should be in this larger context. Even though we are the biggest victims of Pakistani terrorism, our sincere condolences to Pakistan over this horror were completely in order.

But, then, more people were killed or wounded as wantonly in Mumbai – 164 dead and 308 wounded. The dead may not have been children, but they left children behind.

Realities


Instead of any outpouring of grief in Pakistan at this horrific act, the reaction there was to deny Pakistani involvement, or that Ajmal Kasab was a Pakistani. It was even suggested by Pakistan’s Interior Minister that our own agencies may have engineered this act.

Foreign diplomats in Delhi did not participate in a candle light vigil outside the Indian Foreign Office in sympathy, with the Pakistani High Commissioner present. Unlike us, the Pakistani parliament and Pakistani schools did not observe two minutes of silence over Mumbai.

Former President Musharraf holds RAW and Afghan intelligence responsible for the Peshawar attack and advocates retaliation. Hafiz Saeed sings the same tune - as do, apparently, sections of the Pakistani media.

The effort is to shield the Pakistani Taliban from the ignominy of their act and prevent much-needed soul-searching at the national level.

The day after we go out of our way to express solidarity with our long-time tormentor, a Pakistani court orders the release of the principal accused in the Mumbai case.

There is a lesson to be learnt from all this – about Pakistan’s structural inability to erase terrorism from its soil.

But when it comes to Pakistan, we prefer the comfort of hopes over hard realities.

The writer is a former Foreign Secretary

It may be hard to accept, but Pakistan won't help India on terror | Daily Mail Online
I have to say I agree with many many points here
 
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He has his opinion and knowledge, and he also posits that bharati supports terrorists inside Pakistan. I am basing what I say on public knowledge, which is that US denied any official Pakistan government involvement in protecting OBL, whilst no evidence exists that Pakistan has been supporting Afghan Taliban or Haqqanis in the recent past.

Well .US statement is not a final judgement.US will change their opinion on daily basis. They are still giving aid to Pakistan even if they found out the number one enemy inAbottabad
.They have their own priorities and they will shift their position when time rises.
In fact they did that.
Look at the above post.
 
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Well .US statement is not a final judgement.US will change their opinion on daily basis. They are still giving aid to Pakistan even if they found out the number one enemy inAbottabad
.They have their own priorities and they will shift their position when time rises.
In fact they did that.
Look at the above post.

You're not making any sense. If US were to change their claim, we can discuss that at the time it happens. For now, we know that Pakistan did not protect OBL, and have known that since OBL was killed, yet the article claims otherwise. Remember, US is the victim here. So if it rejects the claim, it means it didn't happen. By making the claim, the author is making a conspiracy theory by definition.
 
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Too bad.Such an irresponsible and basless claim from a TTA.

Yes Parvez Musharaff was your President and Army General.But entire world including Pakistan what that man did during Kargil.
In fact he didnt get enough support from Pak.media.He was the same guy whoinitiated a border skirmish on the basis of a lie and force his subordinates to reject the bodies of bravemen of Pakistan who fought for their nation.Then he did a bloodless coup to cover his treachery.I am asking you Can you trust his words?Does anyone can trust him?

Insurgency and support is another subject .Dont need to go there.Because we tasted the difficulties of terrorismdecades before the so called WoT.
Of course we also did some mistakes like LTTE.And we got its reward .


On topic:Let them deny.We shouldnt ask them for the help.We should go on our own way.



Well you should check the last sentence.
He was not a mere armchair experts.He had enough authority. to access something that TTA pointed there.

By same yard stick, how can we trust whatever words coming out from your Establishment ? They deny any involvement in Pakistan while on other Hand Indian MI TSD unit ran missions in pakistan until it got disbanded in 2013.

Musharraf may be many things, but the facts and figures like TSD unit of your MI, Indian MI helping Northern alliance since 2002 (as per your own newspapers) aren't my figment of imagination. These facts corroborates with Musharraf statements ! Did India denied officially Musharraf blames which he blurted in Indian conference ?

US exit: India steps up Afghan army training

The training includes counter-terrorism operations, military field-craft, signals, intelligence, counter-IED, information technology

US exit: India steps up Afghan army training - The Times of India\

Secret military intelligence unit ran 8 covert operations abroad?

Secret military intelligence unit ran 8 covert operations abroad? - The Times of India

MI operatives moved into Tajikistan and later Afghanistan in support of the Ahmad Shah Massoud-led Northern Alliance that overthrew the Taliban in 2001.Besides furthering national strategic goals, MI officials say these 'third country operations' allowed the agency to peep into countries of their immediate interest.

How Indian Army's Military Intelligence Directorate works : Special Report - India Today

Ravi Datt Mehta (1955 – 7 July 2008) was a brigadier in the Indian army. He died in the suicide bombingof the Indian Embassy in Kabul while serving as India's Defence Attaché to Afghanistanon 7 July 2008. Brig. Mehta had earlier also served as the head of the Indian Army's Intelligence Corps in the state of Jammu and Kashmir

While you raised a point about Kargil. Who occupied Kargil first by making an incursion in to Pakistan land ?

Those werent some mistakes in Srilanka, you were trying to achieve strategic depth, to contain blowback and spread of LTTE in tamil nadu and near by areas. Now put yourself in same shoes of Pakistan and ty to understand what it likes to keep an open line of communication with Haqqani group so that Haqqani tribe which lives in both side of border and considered noble tribesman on both side of border due to their Afghan jihad involvement, does not turn and instigate other tribes to rebel against Pakistan.

By making Ludicrous claims about OBL and implying he being state guest of Pakistan.Did author consider how CIA tracked those 11 Twin tower bombers from 2000 and fail to mention their presence on US soil to FBI and related Law enforcement agencies? Using Author hollow logic, OBL and CIA must have strategic alliance so to accommodate those 11 terrorists on an american soil and in return CIA and US army would get an excuse to wage "CRUSADE" against Muslims in name of war on terror
 
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Did we ask indians to hold 2 mint silent or candle light vigils? No, so what's the point of "Bar bar Jatana ek baat " It's better to be truthful and remain silent than to to bshow fake sympathy and then chest thump how morally superior we are.

This is akin to bunch of wanna be shuddars trying to act Brahmins. !
Quoted for posterity. A true patriotic conscientious Pakistani gentleman, I salute you. :tup:
 
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Did we ask indians to hold 2 mint silent or candle light vigils? No, so what's the point of "Bar bar Jatana ek baat " It's better to be truthful and remain silent than to to bshow fake sympathy and then chest thump how morally superior we are.

Coming back to Balochistan accusations, If anyone has doubt. Ex President and Pakistan Chief of Army Staff Pervaiz Musharraf is on record to blame india for helping Brahmdagh bugti. These are not mere allegations, but a statement coming from a man of authority not some wannabe, 50 cent indian who doesn't have access to Tier 1 Intelligence

Why would we offer milk to snake who would bite us in back with any chance he get ? Indians are helping Balochis since 2005 when Insurgency flared up in balochistan. Then you are training, funding, providing tech and material support to Afghan intelligence who in turns help TTP. A proven fact once again.

Unless you are to mend your ways, We will not reconsider our approach in providing help, until then stop acting with Holier than thou attitude. This is akin to bunch of wanna be shuddars trying to act Brahmins. !


That same musharraf also accept that your army helping terrorist against India on record so you yourself milking snakes.

Even TTP is born by Taliban which was created by your army and gov.
 
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