Israel's F35 vs Iran

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

 

[Trailer23]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

 

[Isotope]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

The same way Israel came all the way to Iraq, destroyed their reactors and all went back safely.

 

[Stryker1982]

The same way Israel came all the way to Iraq, destroyed their reactors and all went back safely.

I think you have not done much research on the subject matter. By the time the IAF made the strike at Osirak, Iraq's single plutonium reactor, Iran had already attacked the site, and softened their air defenses. This was also while Iraq already busy at war as well. You are also comparing a single plutonium site, i.e. 1 location with a full-scale uranium enrichment program, from mining uranium ore and milling, to centrifuge manufacturing.

You should first geographic considerations, then look at the the locations and number of nuclear related sites their are in Iran, atleast an additional 700km would have to be traveled to reach some of them. Then look at whether they are underground or inside a mountain. It's not just one reactor and one site, one sortie. The scope and scale of such operation would be far more complex and perhaps not even possible because the strike package that an F-35 can carry towards one of the main sites in Iran (Natanz) would not be able to carry the heavy weaponry required to destroy underground or mountain bases even with Tanker refueling.

Such an operation would have to last several weeks, not a 1 sortie go home in a few hours operation, and this would not be decisive either first and foremost because knowledge cannot be bombed but more importantly, if hardened sites with uranium centrifuges cannot be destroyed without large aircraft like B-2's or B-52's, then the attack is more of a nuisance than a success. Not to mention the retaliatory strikes that would commence, hence Israel's reluctance to go ahead.

 

[Goritoes]

Is this a joke? F-35 vs who? Iran don't have anything to even counter America older F-16 blocks let alone F-35s, Iran is in dire need of modern fighter jets such Su-30's, Su35's or maybe J10's.

 

[Oldman1]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

Actually its a lot easier than you think with tanker aircraft.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Is this a joke? F-35 vs who? Iran don't have anything to even counter America older F-16 blocks let alone F-35s, Iran is in dire need of modern fighter jets such Su-30's, Su35's or maybe J10's.

No chance against IAF with these fighter jets .their only hope is SU 57.if they can get it .

 

[Goritoes]

No chance against IAF with these fighter jets .their only hope is SU 57.if they can get it .

They can still deny Air superiority because of their extended AD coverage and Terrain, but they need a modern Air force to even dream of taking Battle in the Air.

 

[Stryker1982]

Actually its a lot easier than you think with tanker aircraft.

This would be the most logical and most likely choice. Israel has expanded their tanker fleet with major investments. To me, this indicate Israel want's to fly directly from their own land instead of using another countries base which is only logical as this country would put themselves on a target list.

It would work to reach the sites theoretically but considering the large number of sites, they would need to do multiple sorties, but as you probably know the F-35 would not be able to carry the necessary munitions for the main hardened sites that would be traditionally given to a B2 or B52 heavy bomber.

What I am suspecting is a several weeks long plan of operation that would first degrade Iran's AD network as much as possible, and use repurposed tankers as heavy bombers to fly over a hardened nuclear site to use something like Massive Ordinance Penetrators'. They can only damage these hardened sites if the air defenses are completely clear in my opinion. It may also be possible that a MOP is not enough either.

Is this a joke? F-35 vs who? Iran don't have anything to even counter America older F-16 blocks let alone F-35s, Iran is in dire need of modern fighter jets such Su-30's, Su35's or maybe J10's.

They can still deny Air superiority because of their extended AD coverage and Terrain, but they need a modern Air force to even dream of taking Battle in the Air.

The problem with the guy who made the video is the mode of thinking is not based on facts on the ground, or take into account the doctrine of approach.
Perhaps I can provide some context to understand the situation better

You are correct the main focus has been on AD, Iran does not want to take Israel on in the air at all, this is not even a option considered because no one will sell aircraft to Iran, in addition, theirs no use in going up against countries like Israel and US in the air anyways,

Multi bullion dollar investments in the air defense field, including "counter-stealth" radars procured or manufactured for identifying as early as possible an incoming attack.
Some of which are Russian, Belarusian, Chinese among domestic Iranian radars as well.

Detection of incoming threats can be done, engaging the F-35 is a completely different issue, that may be very difficult, therefore their is also heavy investment on short range counter-PGM systems.. At the very least if the aircraft cannot be targeted successfully, the PGMs can. This is heavily discussed on the Iranian air defense thread.

Obviously it is too difficult to simulate anything because we do not know what would be targeted and to what extent the munitions would be intercepted. Regardless, a retaliatory attack on Dimona and/or Negev research center is the only reciprocal option using a combination of ballistic and depressed trajectory missiles armed with a combination of HE warheads and cluster warheads.

People look at things in a traditional conventional perspective which is fine, but when dealing with top of the line airforce like Israel or the US, other methods must be used and this would be it.

Air defense -> Intercept munitions, intercept tankers or aircraft if possible.
Immediate counter-force strike with already prepared solid fuel missiles.
Perhaps this has deterred Israel despite their claims that Iran is 5 weeks away from weapons grade uranium about 1 week ago.


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No chance against IAF with these fighter jets .their only hope is SU 57.if they can get it .

No one will sell Iran anything that can be used offensively against Israel. Russia and the US is in agreement with this policy hence they wont even offer Su-30s despite the billions$ and jobs that they would get from a deal for Su-30s.

 

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

No one will sell Iran anything that can be used offensively against Israel

Nope.
Russia will sell you Su 57.just show them money

 

[Bengal71]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

Saudis will give them basing right secretly or provide air refueling.

 

[Trailer23]

I think some people here are giving those f#*kin' J#ws a lil' too much credit.

But let's say if they were able to achieve that, they outta have their guard up for eternity.

They'll be looking over their shoulder for life.

 

[Foinikas]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

I wanna say Saudi Arabia,but it would have to be an extremely secret operation.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I think some people here are giving those f#*kin' J#ws a lil' too much credit.

But let's say if they were able to achieve that, they outta have their guard up for eternity.

They'll be looking over their shoulder for life.

Israel has the capability to destroy most of irani AD and aircrafts in one strike, however it is the aftermath BM attacks packed with god knows what) that might have 10 to 20 % hit rate. Most of BM may get knocked out in the sky but one or two could do the damage and isreal cant offered to have that..

 

[Raider 21]

I think some people here are giving those f#*kin' J#ws a lil' too much credit.

But let's say if they were able to achieve that, they outta have their guard up for eternity.

They'll be looking over their shoulder for life.

They have been looking at over their shoulders for a long time. The Israeli Air Force are easily one of the best as quoted to me by numerous PAF chaps including those who have had exercises with them.

Report: Israeli stealth fighters fly over Iran

Two IAF F-35 Adir fighter jets entered Iranian airspace undetected, according to the Kuwaiti newspaper Al-Jarida.

www.jpost.com

And their raid flying F-16s across to Iraq was damn impressive, this was done without any Arab allies. Now they have Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and UAE. The Israeli F-35s are rumoured to have flown all the way to Iran some time back.