Israel's F35 vs Iran

[Muhammad Saftain Anjum]

Israel has the capability to destroy most of irani AD and aircrafts in one strike, however it is the aftermath BM attacks packed with god knows what) that might have 10 to 20 % hit rate. Most of BM may get knocked out in the sky but one or two could do the damage and isreal cant offered to have that..

Iran should immediately bring Supersonic Cruise missiles in field.if nuclear SCM launched from submarine and intercepted in Israeli air space ,will play havoc for israelis.
Ballistic missiles usually go too high.so Israel will be able to intercept them without any harm.

 

[Isotope]

Israel has the capability to destroy most of irani AD and aircrafts in one strike, however it is the aftermath BM attacks packed with god knows what) that might have 10 to 20 % hit rate. Most of BM may get knocked out in the sky but one or two could do the damage and isreal cant offered to have that..

That's correct. BMs are the only concern for Israel and not Iranian defenses. Israel can take on Iran any day. Israelis are armed to the teeth and are ready. Saudis will happily and quietly allow their air space to be used for AWACS and air refueling tankers. Back in 81, Israel went through Saudi Airspace flying very low . By the time Saudi ATC figured out what was going on in their air space, Israelis were already out.

 

[Trailer23]

They have been looking at over their shoulders for a long time. The Israeli Air Force are easily one of the best as quoted to me by numerous PAF chaps including those who have had exercises with them.

I'm not doubting their abilities 'cause the very same PAF chaps of yester-years said the same to me.

But there are limitations. Perhaps they could sneak in & achieve a raid. The fallout of that will be enormous & I for one will enjoy the outcome.

And their raid flying F-16s across to Iraq was damn impressive, this was done without any Arab allies. Now they have Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and UAE. The Israeli F-35s are rumoured to have flown all the way to Iran some time back.

Technically KSA haven't recognized them, so I won't sign them off as an ally just yet.

And one good look at Middle East map, you can easily tell that unless those F-16's teleported themselves into Iraq - there is no doubt that they got help.

And that crap story about: King Hussein of Jordan, vacationing in the Gulf of Aqaba, witnessed the planes overfly his yacht, and noticed their Israeli markings.

Come on. I've been to countless airshows & still can't tell the markings unless the bloody thing is on approch.

[Yaha bistar say andhairay may Lighter gir jaey - nazar nahe ata] - & some people can spot markings in the air. Sounds all too familiar when Indians were able to count dead bodies over Balakot, but couldn't find a Helicopter that crashed in a lake last month - AND seeked foreign assistance.

 

[Raider 21]

I'm not doubting their abilities 'cause the very same PAF chaps of yester-years said the same to me.

But there are limitations. Perhaps they could sneak in & achieve a raid. The fallout of that will be enormous & I for one will enjoy the outcome.

Technically KSA haven't recognized them, so I won't sign them off as an ally just yet.

And one good look at Middle East map, you can easily tell that unless those F-16's teleported themselves into Iraq - there is no doubt that they got help.

And that crap story about: King Hussein of Jordan, vacationing in the Gulf of Aqaba, witnessed the planes overfly his yacht, and noticed their Israeli markings.

Come on. I've been to countless airshows & still can't tell the markings unless the bloody thing is on approch.

[Yaha bistar say andhairay may Lighter gir jaey - nazar nahe ata] - & some people can spot markings in the air. Sounds all too familiar when Indians were able to count dead bodies over Balakot, but couldn't find a Helicopter that crashed in a lake last month - AND seeked foreign assistance.

They are allowed to land and recover at RSAF bases in case of an Iranian conflict.

The raid very much happened and it is a testament to the Israeli Air Force training and a lot of it came with boldness. And yes it is possible to see the markings when they fly by, when I was attached to a Viper squadron, we'd have Vipers of different countries pass by, I could tell most of the time which countries were flying and I can assure you that Israeli Vipers have a distinctive paint scheme. Let's also not forget King Hussein used to fly fighters, and the F-16 back then was the emerging hot shot of state of the art technology that had a lot of nations interested (Jordan was one of them after they rejected Tornados).

And don't bring in those Indians to this, their methods of justifying are illogical

 

[LeGenD]

Ehh, how is !srael planning on getting to Iran for this so-called FACEOFF?

Are they planning on strapping their F-35's on NASA's Space Shuttle Discovery & falling from Space over Tehran...?!!

Might as well be Mexico vs. Iran... - The Football Match, ofcourse.

There are reports of Israel developing LO-compliant Conformal Fuel Tanks for F-35i.

 

[arjunk]

I think you have not done much research on the subject matter. By the time the IAF made the strike at Osirak, Iraq's single plutonium reactor, Iran had already attacked the site, and softened their air defenses. This was also while Iraq already busy at war as well. You are also comparing a single plutonium site, i.e. 1 location with a full-scale uranium enrichment program, from mining uranium ore and milling, to centrifuge manufacturing.

You should first geographic considerations, then look at the the locations and number of nuclear related sites their are in Iran, atleast an additional 700km would have to be traveled to reach some of them. Then look at whether they are underground or inside a mountain. It's not just one reactor and one site, one sortie. The scope and scale of such operation would be far more complex and perhaps not even possible because the strike package that an F-35 can carry towards one of the main sites in Iran (Natanz) would not be able to carry the heavy weaponry required to destroy underground or mountain bases even with Tanker refueling.

Such an operation would have to last several weeks, not a 1 sortie go home in a few hours operation, and this would not be decisive either first and foremost because knowledge cannot be bombed but more importantly, if hardened sites with uranium centrifuges cannot be destroyed without large aircraft like B-2's or B-52's, then the attack is more of a nuisance than a success. Not to mention the retaliatory strikes that would commence, hence Israel's reluctance to go ahead.

F-35s will take out Iranian air defences, then larger non stealthy payloads will safely enter.

 

[kingQamaR]

I don’t hold out any optimism on Iran they will be slaughtered like all others who took on USA

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

No one will sell Iran anything that can be used offensively against Israel. Russia and the US is in agreement with this policy hence they wont even offer Su-30s despite the billions$ and jobs that they would get from a deal for Su-30s.

There's a lot more Russian Jews in Israel than American ones working on tech.
Russia isn't going to sacrifice this handy little connection they have in their backpocket for Iran.

 

[Stryker1982]

There's a lot more Russian Jews in Israel than American ones working on tech.
Russia isn't going to sacrifice this handy little connection they have in their backpocket for Iran.

Nope.
Russia will sell you Su 57.just show them money

Indeed, for reference. Russia backed out of the S-300PMU2 deal in the early 2000s because Israel lobbied them, and only after Iran sued them in international courts, they delivered the product that was already paid for.

In the 1990s when Iran bought 1000s of T-72S standard tanks which were a heavy tank at the time and BMP-2s, Russia only delivered about 600 pieces before the US pressured them to cut ties.

They also reneged and back out of building a nuclear power plant for us and delayed for a decade before completing, again under US and Israeli pressure
They aren't going to do anything for us.

There are reports of Israel developing LO-compliant Conformal Fuel Tanks for F-35i.

I think they also doubled their tanker fleet.

By carrying these fuel tanks, they reduce payload capacity no? Unless they have secret weapons, I wonder how they wish to attack the hardened sites instead of doing a major SDB attack on above ground facilities which will not have a long lasting effect.