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Israeli F-35 Reportedly violated Iranian Airspace back in 2018

Real or Fake?

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  • No

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And what difference will it make? Look no further then developments in Syria.

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Israeli airstrikes continue, and they have used F-35 Jets for strikes in Syria as well, but details are largely classified.

Russian hardware is great on paper but fails to impress in the battlefield when up against sophisticated odds. This is apparent since the 1980s.

i think every one agree that Russia will never attack an Israel jet because if they wanted that this anti-aircraft system can easily hit an F_16 OR F_15 or any other 4 gen jet in that mater.
 
i think every one agree that Russia will never attack an Israel jet because if they wanted that this anti-aircraft system can easily hit an F_16 OR F_15 or any other 4 gen jet in that mater.
Syrian Army is operating this battery.

Yes, Russians avoid direct clashes with Israeli military forces operating over Syria. However, Russians provide technical support to Syrians in whatever ways they can. Russians also utilize their EW systems to dissuade Israeli strikes over Syria, but to little effect. Passive measures in short.
 
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Hey if that is what you are into, I don't judge.
sir that trolls in the kuwaiti news paper waited for our ADF commander appointment to more important post and they used that to make the readers believe that shit and increase its popularity in people.
last month your fifth fleet commander in bahrain committed suicide. i can claim he was our spy and when your security service find out about him we killed him to protect the rest of the network. it makes sense but it's bull shit.
 
i think every one agree that Russia will never attack an Israel jet because if they wanted that this anti-aircraft system can easily hit an F_16 OR F_15 or any other 4 gen jet in that mater.

Indeed. Israel is the reason Russia kept backing out on their SAM deals with Iran in the last decade. Global politics can be insanely convoluted sometimes.

sir that trolls in the kuwaiti news paper waited for our ADF commander appointment to more important post and they used that to make the readers believe that shit and increase its popularity in people.
last month your fifth fleet commander in bahrain committed suicide. i can claim he was our spy and when your security service find out about him we killed him to protect the rest of the network. it makes sense but it's bull shit.

Yes I asked for clarification and it was provided (regarding the promotion). This would negate anything else said in the article.

Changing opinions is easy if I am given new evidence to consider. I just can't take someone's word for it.
 
This battery is in Syrian command.

Yes, Russians avoid clashes with Israeli assets over Syria. However, Russians provide technical support to Syrians in whatever ways they can. They also employing EW systems to dissuade Israeli strikes over Syria, but to little effect.

not in the hands of Syria yet. Yes, Syria for Russia is like Hezbollah for Iran. Iran never invade Israel because of Hezbollah, and Russia never fights Israel because of Syria even if there S400 or S300 PMU2 identify an F35. so I do not accept this hypothesis that this anti-aircraft system does not have the ability to detect F35.
 
not in the hands of Syria yet. Yes, Syria for Russia is like Hezbollah for Iran. Iran never invade Israel because of Hezbollah, and Russia never fights Israel because of Syria even if there S400 or S300 PMU2 identify an F35.
Military-related matters are largely obscure to public. On the face of it, Russian forces do their best to avoid military clashes with Israeli and/or American forces in Syria (deconfliction arrangements), but this does not imply that the environment was normal throughout the years. There were situations when Russian hardware was put on red alert and given green light to engage American airborne assets when they came for Syrian regime, but they failed to live up to their expectations.

In any case, both Syrians and Russians do not welcome Israeli and/or American military operations in Syria (absolutely vocal against these interventions), but cannot do much about it.

so I do not accept this hypothesis that this anti-aircraft system does not have the ability to detect F35.
FYI.

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No, I am delusional like you guys.
So you think that that RQ-70 crashed in Iran and its wings just snapped off perfectly straight and the IRGC just super glued it back on? Yeah you are not delusional at all, LOL.
I can see 15 articles on his firing, where is some info on the promotion?

I can see 15 articles on his firing, where is some info on the promotion?

Before the lead up to operation Iraqi freedom how many articles did you read in your MSM about Iraq not having any WMDs? Its called Propaganda!!!
 
So you think that that RQ-70 crashed in Iran and its wings just snapped off perfectly straight and the IRGC just super glued it back on? Yeah you are not delusional at all, LOL.
Refer to this post: https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/isra...pace-back-in-2018.608348/page-5#post-11283902

Sophisticated drones have malfunctioned and subsequently crash-landed on the ground largely intact in Iraq and Afghanistan on different occasions, and it is possible that US lost an RQ-170 variant over Iran in similar fashion in 2011. Iranian spin on the other hand...

I not saying that Iran defenses are weak, or Iranians are not adept in the art of hacking, but Iranian account of the incident is not necessarily true (disputed on technical grounds by relevant experts). I expect Iranian members to take Iranian account at face value, but this is PERCEIVED REALITY at best.

Below is an explanation of HOW some Americans drones have crash-landed in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran over the course of years. Americans have admitted as much.

"Temporary loss of satellite connection is common and the drone will orbit on a preplanned route until connection is re-established. If the connection is never re-established then the aircraft will eventually run out of fuel and crash."

Nevertheless, I am not hellbent on shoving my assertion down the throat of others. Take it or leave it, but insulting me does not make your position credible. Propaganda is not an American thing only. Regretfully, honest conversation is simply impossible with some individuals; they are brainwashed to such a degree.
 
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I think F35 regularly violates Iranian airspace. Nothing beats Stealth technology .Not easy to pick on radars due to stealth & jammers.
Iran should try to get hands on patriot missile system,S400 or anything close to it. Otherwise F35 will continue its dominance and air superiority in enemy borders.

You don’t know what you are talking about, please stop because you sound like a bafoon.

You are clearly confused if you think “patriot system” can pick up “stealth technology”. You are naming air defense systems and you clearly don’t understand how they work. You sound like a child that names what they think are high tech systems. Iran already has its own version of Patriot system.

Anyway It is RADARS that find F-22 and F-35 aircraft not air defense systems. And S400 and Patriot are useless if they are not receiving information from radars that have wavelengths to detect the small RCS of a F-22 or F-35. The air defense systems are only as good as their crew and the unified radar network of a given country.

Lastly many radars can detect an F-22 or F-35. These radars also are either much harder to jam or passive in nature thus making their detection difficult or both. Detecting stealth fighters can even be done with older radars, if the radars work together and illuminate the aircraft at a certain angle they can expose a higher RCS. F-22 and F-35 have their lowest RCS from a frontal view but are more exposed from different angles.

Also F-35 is much easier to detect than F-22, especially if it has weapons outside it’s internal bay.

If you bothered to even do a bit of research you would see Iran has many different developed radars that can detect F-22 and F-35 same ones that US and Russia have including radars similar to the ones Russia has to accompany its version of S400 .

So no US doesn’t have F-35’s regularly violating Iran’s airspace because the loss of technology if one of those planes goes down in Iranian territory it trumps any pissing contest that is happening between these two powers.

US won’t risk losing an F-35 or F-22 to Iran as the technology is way too valuable. Hence why RQ-170 was designed to be able to go down in Iranian territory without jeopardizing massive military secrets (though it was never expected to be detected).

Furthermore, US has already tested Iranian airspace with U2 spy jets and Iran has detected them everytime and warned them to leave.

This whole stealth technology has made uninformed people think that these planes are invisible, far from it. Nothing is invisible, only harder to detect.

If they were truly “invisible” than countries would already be going to war, because anytime an adversary has a massive military advantage over the other they go on the offensive. And what better weapon than a plane that can just fly into enemy territory and destroy anything and not be detected.

Again if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.
 
No. Fake. False. Did not happen. Is a load of bullshit. I cannot believe there is an 8 page thread over this crap that was dreamt up by a Kuwaiti tabloid months ago.

@LeGenD you bring up that cowboy F-22 story as if it's proof of Iranian capability (of an incident that supposedly happened 6 years ago), even though the story itself is nothing more than a fairytale presented with no proof at some expo. You talk about people here being brainwashed but it is you who is blindly accepting these anecdotal tales as reality and actually using them in arguments. As for Iranian capability, obviously no aircraft, let alone an F-4, is going to detect any other aircraft whether it's an F-22 or a 747 just creeping up behind it under strict EMCON. Even the most jacked up F-35 doesn't have a rear-facing radar to detect planes behind it. Iran does have its own VHF (Matla ul Fajr series) radars which it mass produces - this is something anyone can see for themselves on google earth - all over the country. Not sure if they had back them then, but even then they had Russian VHF radars, which may not have been covering the Persian Gulf. Iran doesn't have AWACS and its F-4s don't have a datalink so pilots are told where to go via GCI. So if the IRIADF did detect the F-22, it probably didn't relay that info back to the F-4 pilot.

WRT the RQ-170 capture, I'm sure you were one of those folks that probably denied it even happened right up until the Americans themselves admitted they'd lost an RQ-170 to Iran. The sole reason you can't come to terms with the fact that it's entirely possible and likely probable that Iran took that drone down is because you have this mythical dream of American military hardware as unpenetrable and unbeatable. Advanced jamming systems like the Avtobaza 1L222 which is in Iran's possession can be used to induce the automatic behaviours you mentioned like circling, or automatic route following until it ran out of fuel and could belly land in Iranian territory. It's clearly obvious that the data was not erased as is procedure because Iran was able to decrypt it and show it to the world.

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Let's not forget that the US often uses "technical problems" as an excuse/cheap cover-up story, and you seem to have fallen for it for no other reason than your belief that US military technology is infallible and magic. In the 1960 U-2 incident they claimed the oxygen system stopped working and the plane drifted into Soviet airspace and even announced they'd grounded all the U-2s to "check their oxygen systems". Nice trap Khrushchev laid for the Americans there, he waited for them to commit to the conspiracy theory and then showed the world Gary Powers, alive and well, after being shot down by the S-75 Dvina.

As for Iran's S-300 systems, your use of the examples in Syria is a fallacy and conflation. S-300 *batteries* (individual launchers without camo nets don't mean the search radar, engagement radar, command posts etc are operational) under Syrian command are still undergoing training and are not operational. S-300s and S-400s under Russian command don't shoot down F-35s because they don't want to fight the Israelis and F-22s because they don't want to cause WW3. Full stop.
 
Slowly, world moves toward 5th generation stealth fighters. Previous generation fighters will soon become obsolete.
So if Iran wants to buy fighters it has only two choices: J-31 or Su-57
Not even Su-30 or Su-35-----being not stealth, they will not survive F-22 if it will violate Iranian airspace, so Iran should go after 5th generation fighters
 
Your denials are amusing to say the least.

[1] https://www.wearethemighty.com/history/f-22-maricked-iranian-fighters

[2] https://warisboring.com/f-22-raptors-taunted-iranian-fighter-jets/

[3] https://theaviationist.com/2013/09/19/f-22-f-4-intercept/

Listen son, F-22A Raptor is one of the stealthiest machines out there. Even the most powerful of radar systems in the world (which Iran does not have) will really struggle to unmask F-22A Raptors while in motion.


Who told you this? Nothing is invincible.

However, try to fight an F-22A Raptor in real-world situation, and see what happens. F-22A is jam-packed with sensor systems and technologies to frustrate your target acquisition processes, detect you before you can, and kill you before you can. Learn a thing or two about this marvel of engineering first.
A question for you what sort and range of radars were operational in iran in 2013 and what sort of radars were operational in 2018 ?

I actually saw the article when it broke a few days ago, after I saw the source, I knew it was Israeli propaganda, most likely done for domestic consumption. Netanyahoo needs to fan the flame of insecurity, it's his (excuse the pun) only Trump card. I mean do we even know the missiles fired at Tel Aviv were really from Hamas? Or was it a false flag ops designed to remind everyone during the election their enemies are close by and that they need Mr. Fraudster to protect them? Lastly, Gen Ganz or Gonzo whatever his name is, is supposedly out of the running due to the news Iran hacked his cell phone? Do you believe that one? I think the Likud boys just took out one of Netanyahoo's rivals by using the Iran as cover.....I'm sure they will leak out some embarrassing texts or emails just in time for the voting.....just wait, these guys are sneaky but they're not that as smart as they think they are.
The article is not from a few day ago its from several month ago and come from a Kuwait based newspaper who is famous for these sort of nonsense.

This drone crash-landed in Iran. Proof below:

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You can clearly notice some structural damage; so much for the claims of piloting it safely to the ground.

And there is more to this incident then meets the eye:

"At the beginning, the U.S. decided not to disclose the news because the robot might have crashed in the mountains, where no one would ever find it, or have suffered extensive damage that would make it useless in the hands of the Iranian analysts. And, by giving the news, they would have admitted they had undertaken spy missions inside the Iranian airspace, thus confirming they had joined Israel in the covert war on the Iranian nuclear program.

However, a shepherd found it almost intact and the news spreads, forcing the U.S. to admit the loss. Iran was given a great, unexpected opportunity to show it to the world and to make some propaganda “advertising” some of their (existing) capabilities in the Electronic and Cyber Warfare fields."


Source: https://theaviationist.com/2016/10/...modeled-on-captured-u-s-rq-170-stealth-drone/

Of-course, the 'shepherd found it' part did not fit into Iranian state-driven narrative and was completely omitted from Iranian official disclosures consequently.

For comparison sake, take a look at the images of American drones which crash-landed in Afghanistan on different occasions, and in different sectors, due to technical reasons.

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In both instances, the drones were found to be largely intact on the ground. I suppose that the Taliban are expert hackers as well. :rolleyes:

Secondly, an RQ-170 drone is nowhere close to F-22A Raptor in the aspects of STEALTH and warfare capabilities; two entirely different class of birds.
If you look more you'll find the video of cutting the wing .

You clearly missed this image:

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The spot where the drone was founded largely intact in Iran, and was subsequently airlifted from there; one can clearly notice structural damage in this shot. Yes, I know that these images are from Iranian sources, and I decided to post them because they refute the claim that this drone was 'piloted safely to the ground'. If this was the case then where are the tires of this drone?

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For comparison sake, below is an image of an American drone which crash-landed in Iraq:

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The drone was found to be largely intact on the ground, but something is amiss! Yes, the tires are not visible.
A difference ,the drone in Afghanistan was under control of the operator were landed RQ-170 was not.
Its Hermes 450 crash not crashland
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YOU CANNOT REFUTE my assertion unless you were personally involved in supposedly hijacking and subsequently landing the RQ-170 drone safely to the ground, and can provide irrefutable proof to dispel my assertion with relevant footage. Since you are hellbent on parroting Iranian state-driven narrative of this incident then surprise me. Go ahead.
This photo show the line that wings cut for transport
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Does it look like it was broken.
 
Lol.....Mr legend here thinks Iran is some Pakistani legend? Where Obama the snake charmer comes in at night and capture Osama the snake eater?

Lol
 
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