Israel is more barbaric than Hitler | Erdogan

[usernameless]

There is but you must have slept.

There is very much unity in most Arab countries as most are completely peaceful and all cooperate closely with each other with a few exceptions. There are also very close economic, military and political organizations out there in the Arab world.

Maybe you have heard about some of those organizations below? All Arab.

Arab League - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Cooperation Council for the Arab States of the Gulf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Council of Arab Economic Unity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Arab Maghreb Union - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It's only Syria, Libya and Iraq that are on fire. We know the reasons for that and those are international conflicts were world players are involved in case that you have not noticed yet. USA and Russia mainly.

If Arab countries are puppets then so is Turkey and all other Muslim countries which they are as the Muslim world is not fully independent.

Yes, why don't you deal with Israel yourself? Did we see any response when they murdered 9 of your citizens? All we see is empty talk from Erdogan while he cooperates with Israel under the table (economic wise).

Did Israel not even sell weapons to you?

Also nobody will go to war for tiny Gaza and jeopardize years of progress, risk economic sanctions, political isolation etc.

Just like you Turks are not going to war because of what China is doing in Xinjiang. International politics are not a computer game when you are not a world power.

Israel is the main ME power due to being a nuclear power and having the backing of the entire Western world. What do you think would happen if their existence was threatened or if any nation went to war with them?

Try and guess.

Despite this 'unity' on paper, there is a reason why the ME is a messed up place in many fields, and that was my point, which still stands and will stand for the coming decades thanks to some Arab leaders who only care about themselves, their religious sects or tribe. 'Also nobody will go to war for tiny Gaza and jeopardize years of progress, risk economic sanctions, political isolation etc.' i even doubt Arab leaders will show sympathy to each other when Israel picks on a larger Arab country. and that's where the downfall begins, no one of the Arab leaders is willing to draw a hard line against Israel, which will have to happen one day if you dont mind Israel expanding more and more, because my impression so far has been that they mostly care about themselves or 1 or 2 fellow minded leaders.

 

[Leader]

and you are a coward..

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Israeli and their apologetics cry about Palestinians terrorism in every topic. Palestinian terrorism is not random violence directed against Israel but it is largely a response to Israel’s prolonged campaign to colonise the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

 

[al-Hasani]

Despite this 'unity' on paper, there is a reason why the ME is a messed up place in many fields, and that was my point, which still stands and will stand for the coming decades thanks to some Arab leaders who only care about themselves, their religious sects or tribe. 'Also nobody will go to war for tiny Gaza and jeopardize years of progress, risk economic sanctions, political isolation etc.' i even doubt Arab leaders will show sympathy to each other when Israel picks on a larger Arab country. and that's where the downfall begins, no one of the Arab leaders is willing to draw a hard line against Israel, which will have to happen one day if you dont mind Israel expanding more and more, because my impression so far has been that they mostly care about themselves or 1 or 2 fellow minded leaders.

It's not unity on paper. It's very close cooperation on all fronts. Political, economic, military, cultural, social etc. You cannot say the same about your "own" people. You don't even have a Turkic Union where all of those 6 Turkic states are present. So why are you lecturing when you are in no position to do so? I just wonder.

Yes, Israel is going to conquer the entire ME region buddy.

You think that this is a computer game or what? Did you even read what I wrote regarding attacking Israel and the consequences of that right now at least?!

@Frogman

You should explain the situation and especially Egypt's role as they are the ones that get all of the blame here on PDF mostly. Some people are apparently extremely unrealistic.

 

[usernameless]

It's not unity on paper. It's very close cooperation on all fronts. Political, economic, military, cultural, social etc. You cannot say the same about your "own" people. You don't even have a Turkic Union where all of those 6 Turkic states are present. So why are you lecturing when you are in no position to do so? I just wonder.

Yes, Israel is going to conquer the entire ME region buddy.

You think that this is a computer game or what? Did you even read what I wrote regarding attacking Israel and the consequences of that right now at least?!

@Frogman

You should explain the situation and especially Egypt's role as they are the ones that get all of the blame here on PDF mostly. Some people are apparently extremely unrealistic.

i bet most of the people here agree that some of the Arab leaders are rather incompetent than competent in the ME, which resulted in sectarian conflicts, too little action against Israel, selfish interests and other problems. this is the real situation, your rant about Turkey, other Turkics and whatnot has simply to do with you trying to blame others for the mistakes your leaders did. Turkey really doesnt have to stick its nose in Gaza aside due a common religion, so dont blame Turkey, its only an added bonus if Turkey (Erdogan that is) supports you. Just look at the ME, dont you see it's getting reshaped? just ask yourself which country is the main benefactor in the ME, which countries are paying the price in the ME and where some of the Arab leaders stand during this whole process. i will stop here before it turns into another 'beautiful ancient Arab world' spamfest from your side.

 

[al-Hasani]

i bet most of the people here agree that some of the Arab leaders are rather incompetent than competent in the ME, which resulted in sectarian conflicts, too little action against Israel, selfish interests and other problems. this is the real situation, your rant about Turkey, other Turkics and whatnot has simply to do with you trying to blame others for the mistakes your leaders did. Turkey really doesnt have to stick its nose in Gaza aside due a common religion, so dont blame Turkey, its only an added bonus if Turkey (Erdogan that is) supports you. Just look at the ME, dont you see it's getting reshaped? just ask yourself which country is the main benefactor in the ME, which countries are paying the price in the ME and where some of the Arab leaders stand during this whole process. i will stop here before it turns into another 'beautiful ancient Arab world' spamfest from your side.

Elaborate or are you just writing empty claims? The facts on the ground show that I am right. That's the important matter here.

Which mistakes are you talking about? Most of the Arab world is doing fine. Tiny Gaza is not going to change that.

What reshaped? Do you think that I care about tiny "Iraqi Kurdistan" or tiny "Syrian Kurdistan". I don't the slightest. It's not my country that has a minority of 20 million of which many want independence. It's not my country that is burning, fighting separatist, ISIS or other goons, is in a civil war, is ruled by a dictator that kills his own people etc. The only single problematic country on the Arabian Peninsula is Yemen.

In the Mashreq region it's Palestine and war torn Syria and Iraq. At some point those states will stabilize. It's inevitable. Who cares if they will be divided into 2 or 3 parts other than some local nationalists? The locals will still be Arabs and if that's what the locals want to do then fine with me.

 

[usernameless]

What reshaped? Do you think that I care about tiny "Iraqi Kurdistan" or tiny "Syrian Kurdistan". I don't the slightest. It's not my country that has a minority of 20 million of which many want independence. It's not my country that is burning, fighting separatist, ISIS or other goons, is in a civil war, is ruled by a dictator that kills his own people etc. The only single problematic country on the Arabian Peninsula is Yemen.

this and your 'tiny Gaza' remark is what i meant. no unity, no sympathy, as long as your own country is fine, who cares about fellow Arabs, right? i also see this trait among some of the Arab leaders. therefore my point still stands that some of the Arab leaders are simply failures, and even worse, it's the people who will keep suffering in the ME for the next few years. the main benefactors are imo Israel and the Kurds, the losers are mainly the Arab countries and ironically some of the Arab leaders seem to contribute to this whole ME mess through doing nothing or even stimulating it through sponsoring some of the mess for their own benefit.

 

[Bavar]

@rmi5 , @Azeri440 , @BLACK EAGLE Thread-banned for Trolling and OT posts.

Either discuss the topic at hand or go to chit chat threads. Do not get into a pissing contest in this thread.

Why did you ban me?
You banned my first and second account; account (that I didn't use before you ban my primary account) for no reason.

 

[Umair Nawaz]

Erdogan for the past years has been on a decline, his rhetoric increasingly erroneous. Whenever small minded people want to make an extreme political point you always bring in Hitler and make comparisons.

what he has said is being justified by israelis themselves so no need to defend them.

dont you ever get tired of saying these words why dont you find something more useful to say

our country our rules

basically pleasing west and licking israeli boots are the rules of yr country.....ehhh what a country.

 

[shuntmaster]

When is Erdogan going to own up the Armenian genocide and stop persecuting the Kurds?

Hitler himself was inspired by the Turkish genocide of the Armenians to commit the Holocaust.

Armenian Genocide
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Armenian civilians, escorted by armed Ottoman soldiers, are marched through Harput (Kharpert), to a prison in the nearby Mezireh (present-day Elâzığ), April 1915
LocationOttoman Empire
Date1915
TargetArmenian population
Attack typeDeportation, mass murder
Deaths1.5 million
PerpetratorsCommittee of Union and Progress (Young Turks)

The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն Hayots Tseghaspanutyun), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern(Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime") was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minorityArmenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labor, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million.

Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians, the Greeks and other minorities were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy. The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

Raphael Lemkin was explicitly moved by the Armenian annihilation to coin the word genocide in 1943 and define systematic and premeditated exterminations within legal parameters. The Armenian Genocide is acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, because scholars point to the organized manner in which the killings were carried out in order to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.

Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, denies the word genocide is an accurate term for the mass killings of Armenians that began under Ottoman rule in 1915. It has in recent years been faced with repeated calls to recognize them as genocide. To date, 23 countries have officially recognized the mass killings as genocide, a view which is shared by most genocide scholars and historians.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Why did you ban me?
You banned my first and second account; account (that I didn't use before you ban my primary account) for no reason.

I did not ban your accounts. You can not have multiple accounts. Some one (not me) shall ban you shortly.

 

[ELTurco]

Stop dealing with the Israelis, and forming alliances with Europe through NATO.

@RayKalm

you find it hypocrite you say?

How is forming alliances with China any different than forming alliances with Europe and NATO from religious point of view?

why not cut off dealing with the Chinese and stop forming alliances with them before criticizing Turkey? Uigurs arent less muslim or lss valuable than Palestinians so why turn a blind eye when it comes to Pakistan

thats just hypocrite imo dont you think too?

Dont tell me its necessary or in your interest or foreign policy cause we have to consider these too.



@shuntmaster

Another armo hiding behind other flag.

 

[Hakan]

When is Erdogan going to own up the Armenian genocide and stop persecuting the Kurds?

Hitler himself was inspired by the Turkish genocide of the Armenians to commit the Holocaust.

Armenian Genocide
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Armenian civilians, escorted by armed Ottoman soldiers, are marched through Harput (Kharpert), to a prison in the nearby Mezireh (present-day Elâzığ), April 1915
LocationOttoman Empire
Date1915
TargetArmenian population
Attack typeDeportation, mass murder
Deaths1.5 million
PerpetratorsCommittee of Union and Progress (Young Turks)

The Armenian Genocide (Armenian: Հայոց Ցեղասպանություն Hayots Tseghaspanutyun), also known as the Armenian Holocaust, the Armenian Massacres and, traditionally by Armenians, as Medz Yeghern(Armenian: Մեծ Եղեռն, "Great Crime") was the Ottoman government's systematic extermination of its minorityArmenian subjects from their historic homeland within the territory constituting the present-day Republic of Turkey. The starting date is conventionally held to be 24 April 1915, the day Ottoman authorities rounded up and arrested some 250 Armenian intellectuals and community leaders in Constantinople. The genocide was carried out during and after World War I and implemented in two phases: the wholesale killing of the able-bodied male population through massacre and subjection of army conscripts to forced labor, followed by the deportation of women, children, the elderly and infirm on death marches leading to the Syrian desert. Driven forward by military escorts, the deportees were deprived of food and water and subjected to periodic robbery, rape, and massacre. The total number of people killed as a result has been estimated at between 1 and 1.5 million.

Other indigenous and Christian ethnic groups such as the Assyrians, the Greeks and other minorities were similarly targeted for extermination by the Ottoman government, and their treatment is considered by many historians to be part of the same genocidal policy. The majority of Armenian diaspora communities around the world came into being as a direct result of the genocide.

Raphael Lemkin was explicitly moved by the Armenian annihilation to coin the word genocide in 1943 and define systematic and premeditated exterminations within legal parameters. The Armenian Genocide is acknowledged to have been one of the first modern genocides, because scholars point to the organized manner in which the killings were carried out in order to eliminate the Armenians, and it is the second most-studied case of genocide after the Holocaust.

Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, denies the word genocide is an accurate term for the mass killings of Armenians that began under Ottoman rule in 1915. It has in recent years been faced with repeated calls to recognize them as genocide. To date, 23 countries have officially recognized the mass killings as genocide, a view which is shared by most genocide scholars and historians.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

You guys don't believe me.

Erodgan will come out as the biggest scammer of all times including the current Turkish elite.

Well time will tell...Pumped up queens cannot have a free foreign policy. Not even domestic.

Note: Turkey has taken over the role of Pakistani motherlands during Zia era. Arming and funding Syrian pups.

Notice: I can almost bet it will haunt them in a different way. They will make sure that Pakistani karma does not come onto their doors. However, they will reap what they sow. In a different manner. Possibly more brutal. I sincerely hope! Just because you are Muslims does not mean you can scam other people and play with the emotions of the sufferers.

But what else can you expect from the $$$ motherland Muslim elite.

 

[atatwolf]

Erdogan should read the comments of this thread. Maybe then he will get it in his tick skull that we shouldnt get involved in arabic world. Treachery and stabbing your neigbhor for quick benefit is order of the day. Not arabic culture and arabic world but Turan should be our destiny.