Israel is Beating the war drums Again

[Hussein]

* Iran killed hundreds of Israelis through its proxy terrorist groups.
* Israel saved thousands of Iranians by supplying weapons during Iran-Iraq war.
* Israel is ready to reestablish diplomatic relationships with Iran anytime, thereis no any disputes between Israel and Iran.
* Iran claims that Israel must be destroyed and everyone who wants to make peace with Israel is a traitor.

if you mean hezbollah (hamas is not a proxie of Iran) there is a war between them and you. Personnaly , even if they are popular in Lebanon, i don't understand why we help them. we should take some distance.
Indeed it is Khomeiny's words who didn't call for destruction but said your country will disappear in the history BECAUSE he believed that this is a total injustice that there is a land taken to arabs. it is his opinion. I don't think he is alone to think like this in this world.

Of course people of Iran care about Palestinians rights, like French people do here. But clearly we don't have hate towards your country. It is just a few of Iranians.
Anyway i just want to say you something Khomeiny (it is not i am a fan of Khomeiny, like many Iranians i could see that with the time the Islamic Republic having nothing to look like a Republic) made a fatwa to protect the Jews in Iran: he wanted that people don't make confusion between "be against the Israel state" and "hate the Jews".

You know... most of our families care a lot about education. It always have been like this in Iran. We think. We are not manipulated by the propaganda.
But as well you should know that we suffer many years of "hey soon we'll bomb you". i just ask you to imagine you are an Iranian and that you often read news about attacking Iran . We are of course living differently when we have this sword above our heads.
Anyway i know that in your country you are victims of groups who send rockets . You can ask the same from us.. to imagine to be Israeli and always worrying if there would be an attack.

 

[Arian]

* Iran killed hundreds of Israelis through its proxy terrorist groups.
* Israel saved thousands of Iranians by supplying weapons during Iran-Iraq war.
* Israel is ready to reestablish diplomatic relationships with Iran anytime, thereis no any disputes between Israel and Iran.
* Iran claims that Israel must be destroyed and everyone who wants to make peace with Israel is a traitor.

* Iran didn't kill them directly, only through its proxies if you can even blame us for that. the USA and its allies killed one million Iranians and gassed more than one hundred thousand Iranians during the Iraq-Iran war by giving support to the racist crazy dictator of Iraq.
* Israel didn't sell those weapons for free or with no reasons without the US approve for humanitarian reasons. First of all, It was one of the consequences of the Iran-contra-affair. The USA and its allies, while being concerned about Iran's progress in the war front, saw a long war between two regional powers (Iraq and Iran) beneficial. There are strong evidences to support my claim. They resupplied Israel with the weapons it had supplied to us and also sold more weapons to Iraq to neutralize it.
* People of Iran have no enmity against people of Israel either.
* The speech that Ahmadinejad called for 'wiping Israel off the map' was just a mistranslation. Also, Netanyahu, and recently even Shimon Peres, has openly called and urged other countries for a war with Iran and even have blasted the international community for not attacking Iran.

 

[Archdemon]

and then you woke up.

Yet you are still dreaming

 

[Archdemon]

may Allah protect Muslims from this Fitna-e-Yahud.

1.57 billion Muslim need help from alllah to protect themselves from 13.42 million Jews? Pathetic

 

[Mech]

1.57 billion Muslim need help from alllah to protect themselves from 13.42 million Jews? Pathetic

Its really quite amazing how far the Jewish community has come. From being the most down-trodden your community has become the most respected and the most influential communities in the world. Hats off.

 

[500]

* Iran didn't kill them directly, only through its proxies if you can even blame us for that.

Thats what I said.

the USA and its allies killed one million Iranians and gassed more than one hundred thousand Iranians during the Iraq-Iran war by giving support to the racist crazy dictator of Iraq.

USA helped both sides.

* Israel didn't sell those weapons for free or with no reasons without the US approve for humanitarian reasons. First of all, It was one of the consequences of the Iran-contra-affair. The USA and its allies, while being concerned about Iran's progress in the war front, saw a long war between two regional powers (Iraq and Iran) beneficial. There are strong evidences to support my claim. They resupplied Israel with the weapons it had supplied to us and also sold more weapons to Iraq to neutralize it.

One of the reasons is that Israel hoped to restore relationships with Iran through these supplies. Anyhow supplied TOWs anti tank missiles, Hawk air defence missiles, spare parts for tanks and aircrafts were critical for Iran and saved thousands of lives.

* The speech that Ahmadinejad called for 'wiping Israel off the map' was just a mistranslation.

Iran literally writes wipe Israel off the map on ballistic missiles and posters. Sometimes in English.

Also, Netanyahu, and recently even Shimon Peres, has openly called and urged other countries for a war with Iran and even have blasted the international community for not attacking Iran.

They call for sanctions, maximum action against nuclear objects.

 

[Arian]

Thats what I said.

Can we blame Israel for supporting terrorist groups like the PJAK, MKO, Jundullah and others as well? They've killed more than one thousand Iranians so far.

USA helped both sides.

Not really. The US completely sided with Iraq. the US weapons sale to Iran was a matter of its own interests and also Iran's increasingly aggressive actions, like Beirut bombings, etc... They saw it beneficial that Iraq and Iran fight each other and destroy each others' infrastructure and military.

One of the reasons is that Israel hoped to restore relationships with Iran through these supplies. Anyhow supplied TOWs anti tank missiles, Hawk air defence missiles, spare parts for tanks and aircrafts were critical for Iran and saved thousands of lives.

First of all, Saddam wasn't any less anti-Jewish than he was anti-Persian. We both know that. Don't we? so that's why both Iran and Israel saw Saddam as an enemy. That's why Iran and Israel bombed the Osirak reactor and cooperated on it. Second of all, It was one of the consequences of the Iran-contra affair. Don't you agree? If no, read about the Iran-contra affair. Third of all, We received no major supplies in terms of spare parts for our air crafts. Even if you read the interviews and speeches of American authorities at that time, they were hopeful that the Iranian Air Force would get crippled in the war without the US maintenance and support.
I don't deny that the weapons that were sent to Iran through Israel helped us, but it wasn't merely based on humanitarian grounds or for the sake of restoring ties.

Iran literally writes wipe Israel off the map on ballistic missiles and posters. Sometimes in English.

Sad but true, can't argue with that.
But you shouldn't forget that Iran, historically and culturally, has never been an anti-Jewish country. Cyrus II the great (Koresh as you call it) saved the Jews from the Babylonian slavery and helped them rebuild their temples. I had a half-Jewish friend in Russia, she told me that her mother (who was Jewish) always told her not to reveal her Jewish roots to others. She told me that even Today in Russia (She lives in StP), some people tell her that Jews are rude and that hurts and she tries to change the topic. Such discriminatory attitudes against Jews have never existed in Iran even in modern times. Today's Iran still hosts the 2nd largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel.

They call for sanctions, maximum action against nuclear objects.

Not really. That's pretty far from the reality. I've even read Netanyahu calling for using tactical nukes against Iran if necessary on Haartez and Ynet News.

 

[Hussein]

1.57 billion Muslim need help from alllah to protect themselves from 13.42 million Jews? Pathetic

is it possible to stop stupid comments?
of course most muslims in the world don't go fight israel
hey what the hell the indonesian would care to fight Israel?

stop troll pls

 

[Archdemon]

is it possible to stop stupid comments?
of course most muslims in the world don't go fight israel
hey what the hell the indonesian would care to fight Israel?

stop troll pls

If you want to prevent stupid posts then stop posting! that would be a good start.

 

[Hussein]

If you want to prevent stupid posts then stop posting! that would be a good start.

how old are you? 10 yo?
again what is the mean of 1.57 billion muslims to take into account? your comment is clearly stupid .
you have maybe a problem with muslims but then keep it in your dirty mind and stop trolling.
thanks.

 

[TARIQ BN ZIYAAD]

Can we blame Israel for supporting terrorist groups like the PJAK, MKO, Jundullah and others as well? They've killed more than one thousand Iranians so far.


Not really. The US completely sided with Iraq. the US weapons sale to Iran was a matter of its own interests and also Iran's increasingly aggressive actions, like Beirut bombings, etc... They saw it beneficial that Iraq and Iraq fight each other and destroy each others' infrastructure and military.


First of all, Saddam wasn't any less anti-Jewish than he was anti-Persian. We both know that. Don't we? so that's why both Iran and Israel saw Saddam as an enemy. That's why Iran and Israel bombed the Osirak reactor and cooperated on it. Second of all, It was one of the consequences of the Iran-contra affair. Don't you agree? If no, read about the Iran-contra affair. Third of all, We received no major supplies in terms of spare parts for our air crafts. Even if you read the interviews and speeches of American authorities at that time, they were hopeful that the Iranian Air Force would get crippled in the war without the US maintenance and support.
I don't deny that the weapons that were sent to Iran through Israel helped us, but it wasn't merely based on humanitarian grounds or for the sake of restoring ties.


Sad but true, can't argue with that.
But you shouldn't forget that Iran, historically and culturally, has never been an anti-Jewish country. Cyrus II the great (Koresh as you call it) saved the Jews from the Babylonian slavery and helped them rebuild their temples. I had a half-Jewish friend in Russia, she told me that her mother (who was Jewish) always told her not to reveal her Jewish roots to others. She told me that even Today in Russia (She lives in StP), some people tell her that Jews are rude and that hurts and she tries to change the topic. Such discriminatory attitudes against Jews have never existed in Iran even in modern times. Today's Iran still hosts the 2nd largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel.


Not really. That's pretty far from the reality. I've even read Netanyahu calling for using tactical nukes against Iran if necessary on Haartez and Ynet News.

So interesting to know that knomini was cooperating with the zionist state and also celeberating alquds day

btw, it is good that u r trying to show ur (country's ) services to these zionists it may help ur country's case, good luck

TARIQ

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

israel and the west would be best advised not to allow things to get to a point of no return....in this particular case, an attack on Iran would have spillover effects in Pakistan. We also have a stake to ensure that no such dangerous game is played, though we are largely spectators thus far watching from the sidelines

Iran's theocratic regime is self-isolating and something Iran and its people could do without; however any attack on Iran will trigger World War III and I am warning you.

 

[Hussein]

So interesting to know that knomini was cooperating with the zionist state and also celeberating alquds day

btw, it is good that u r trying to show ur (country's ) services to these zionists it may help ur country's case, good luck

TARIQ

Tariq jon salam
No it shows the reality , the history. sometimes it happens two countries having common interests.
If you read Khomeiny and you see what became the country with its anti Israeli "program" , you clearly see there is no pro israel policy.

Arian is right: Iranians are not anti something or anti a country, even Israel.
We know when we travel in the world that we are much less anti Israel than most arab people. I guess there are many reasons for that. I just give my point of view which only concerns me (again it doesn't mean we don't care for palestinians, we do, like as i said i can see here in france most people know palestinians suffer but they wish for them a good future, not hamas or any terrorist group):
1/ Iran's past as said Arian
2/ people are tired of the propaganda on tv in our country
3/ Iranians are not war minded people
4/ we appreciate the different communauties in Iran. Personnally i regret too many Armenians left the country because they were scared of the Islamic Republic. As well the program of Israel asking Jews from the world to come back to Israel ... made many Jews to leave the country. I know one of them i correspond by internet with him. They gave him money to start a life there and i understand his choice. Even i am sad about it.

 

[Arian]

So interesting to know that knomini was cooperating with the zionist state and also celeberating alquds day

btw, it is good that u r trying to show ur (country's ) services to these zionists it may help ur country's case, good luck

TARIQ

Saddam was a crazy racist dictator, preventing him from creating atomic weapons was a top priority for us. common sense says that. Saddam had openly and directly said that 'the first Arab atomic weapon will be produced here [in Osirak]' and had openly said it would use it on Iran.

That was no service to them, It was about our own interests in the war. but Wahhabi's like you are giving service to Israel against regional countries interests because you're ruled by corrupted people who do everything to stay on power Tariq. way different. even if we count all Iran's services to Israel in the last 33 years, it won't catch up only Saudi Arabia's services to Israel in the last 33 months.

And our cooperation was mostly about giving them intelligence and maps taken from the Osirak nuclear reactor.

 

[Archdemon]

how old are you? 10 yo?
again what is the mean of 1.57 billion muslims to take into account? your comment is clearly stupid .
you have maybe a problem with muslims but then keep it in your dirty mind and stop trolling.
thanks.

No, actually im 5 years old...
You better check again, and if it still not enough check again to whom and the content of the post my initial reply was addressed to.