@Vishal Gutsy.
It seems as you're preconceptions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are being set in stone and you will be difficult to convince.
all those who say israel has captured palestinian land , please refute these verces
The verses are there for all to see. The fact is that muslims controlled those parts for over 1000 years, which can be proven.
Please provide evidence that the area in question was solely for Jews from the beginning of their state in ~2000b.c, until now.
do u agree that the country isreal always existed in middle east as the quranic and biblical verces say , and therefore they have not stolen anyone else's land , and just got back their own land that was always theirs.
or
u think these quranic verces are wrong and there was no such nation called israel historically n jews have no right over the land of israel.
You would be a fool to say there wasnt ever a land called Israel. And you would be a fool to say that the jews are just reclaiming their land. Most of the jews in Israel are of European stock with no connection to the land, no roots other than Judaism. How many semitic Jews do you see as opposed to Ashkenazi?
Most of the jews that returned are of secular nature, and used the 'god gave me the land' argument when convenient for them.
why do muslims claim that israel has stolen palestinian land , when in thier own quran its written that israel is land of jews.
Israel WAS the land where the jews came from, you seem to forget the 2000 odd years from then onto the present day. Why is that?
The truth is that the Jews never deserted Israel completely. Many of them have been living there forever. But their land was under the domination of other powers, such as the Romans, the Caliphs of Islam and the Ottoman Empire.
You seem to have the view that the world is static in boundaries and demographics to justify your position on Israel. This is a weak argument, and as you should know, emigration, expulsion, and changing political climate shape the world, not scripture.
The jews were living in Palestine as some would still attest. Zionism is what increased tension between the native population, as it lead to pretty much a massive influx of immigrants into already populated lands, with radically different ideologies to the natives. Of course conflicts were going to happen.
but its muslims who have been crying over a tiny piece of land israel , which was never theirs.
For how many years did the Jews have a sizeable presence in the holy land? How many years for muslims. You will find the number very similar.
You generalise too much, exposing your limited knowledge on the subject. Orthodox jews, Christians, muslims, AND atheistic secular jews are all 'crying' over the tiny piece of land.
To deny that the land was never really their just shows a lot of your mentality. You will have no sympathy for palestinans, muslims or arabs with regards to Israel, which you regard as superior in history, and present to them.
There will be peace in Palestine the day Palestinians put down their arms and start negotiating on equal terms.
Do you not see the irony of this statement brother? Israel has the munitions, manpower and control to do with the Palis anything they wish. The ball is in THEIR court for peace, as Hamas and the PLO have stated that there will be peace, as pre the 1967 borders, halting to settlement growth and the RIGHT OF RETURN OF PALI REFUGEES. Israel deems this unnaceptable, hence the pro quo.
This is not happening because Muslims hate the Jews gutturally.
Palestinians are not homeless. After sixty years they are not refugees.
Im a muslim and i do not hate Israel. I know Palestinans who do not hate israel. You generalise. Please stop. This blood libel theory you are suggesting at it incorrect. Muslims and Jews HAVE lived in peace, and CAN live in peace.
Israelis built thier country from scratch during these years, Palestinians could have done the same. But their leaders got the money from USA, filled their bank accounts and financed war with Israel instead.
Oh please. The nation of Israel had millions of highly educated refugees from Germany, USSR, USA performing aliyah to Israel brining a tonne of brain power. A brain gain unlike anything in history.
Back this up with generous funding from Europe and the US, and you have a nation that grew rapidly and became advanced much faster than the palistinians who were afforded no such luxuries.
Indeed, over 4 million refugees of Palistinan stock, which you refuse to recognise are prohibited from returning to their lands. How can a nation progress if half the population isnt allowed within it?
Now the question is, if not in their ancestral land, where the Israelis should build their country. Where do you think they should go? Would Antarctica satisfy you or rather youd prefer they are sent to Mars?
Stop being so cocky.
It is the ancestral land as much as it is the Palis.
Can you tell me the difference between the israelites and semitic arabs?
IDEOLOGY.
For Israelis it is a matter of survival. They have nowhere to go.
Again, the irony escapes you.
Palestinians have enough land to build their country and live happily. But that is not what they want.
The issue at hand is that they dop not have enough land. Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on the planet. Land is continually being taken, by the growth of settlements, and divided by Israeli opnly roads, as well as the security wall which encroaches FAR into pali territory.
You have no facts. You have generalisations and idiocy.
They want revenge and are readly to kill themselves for that.
Most Palestinians prefer being killed in a nuclear bomb if the Jews are also going to be killed than leave side by side with the Jews and share the land with them.
How can you know this unless you asked every Pali what he wanted.
Palis are humans, of course they want peace and prosperity. You refuse to see this, because as i said, you have your preset biases and you will not change your view.
Palis and jews have lived together in the past, no issue. Now due to the influx of european zionism, and the subsequent rise in tensions, they do not live in peace.
But if hamas can say they would acecpt peace with Israel, then pretty much anyone bar hitler could make peace with them.
Please stop seeing everything as black and white with regards to this issue.
