ISPs, PTA at odds over procedure to contain ‘indecent’ content

[El Sidd]

Bc kasam sei bajae kei achi cheezei china sei sikhei, sab sei badtar cheez par ham aa rhe hain. Chawal hakoomat, jahil loug.

rozgar dete nahi khilone cheen rahe hain

 

[truthfollower]

Chawal hakoomat, jahil loug.

kpk assembly was behind banning of pubg
I dont what is wrong with pakistani parents they can block all content they want from their routers and limit usage of wifi but no they demand government to do the moral policing

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Pakistan is heading towards same censorships levels of China, these PTA chairmen and members need to be hanged because instead of going for the main issues with internet like the digital divide, they are trying to shut down internet in Pakistan and make it a full fledge dictatorship.

This ban culture needs to be rid of, all pornographic websites must be allowed and apps like Tinder, Grindr need to be unbaned. If ban culture continues, no foreign company will open their services in Pakistan. It will set a really bad precedent to the outside world. These CSS boomers sitting in offices and making stupid decisions like these should be ashamed of themselves.

Bibi I would rather like a Chinese progressive oppressive system rather than a neo western system where children become pseudo-pornstars

 

[Mujahid Memon]

kpk assembly was behind banning of pubg
I dont what is wrong with pakistani parents they can block all content they want from their routers and limit usage of wifi but no they demand government to do the moral policing

Like parents know how to use a router

 

[Mujahid Memon]

ISLAMABAD: A meeting between the Internet Service Providers (ISPs) and the Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA) ended in a deadlock on Wednesday as both sides remained at odds over procedures to contain ‘indecent content’ on the internet.

The ISPs claimed that the PTA wanted to regulate political voices in the garb of containing indecent content, alleging that actions against the Content Delivery Networks (CDNs) would only translate in converting the broadband into a narrow band in the country.

The telecom regulator, however, had called the meeting in its headquarters with a single point agenda that “pornographic websites are being served/accessed through CDNs interfaced locally with your network”.

The PTA told the ISPs that pornographic contents were violation of Section 37 of the PECA 2016 and that internet providers had also been informed about its concerns, but there was no improvement in the situation.

There are four key CDN providers in Pakistan — ‘YouTube’, ‘Facebook’, ‘Akamai’ and Netflix. They are established at the servers of local ISPs which includes PTCL, StormFiber, Nayatel, Wi-Tribe etc and telecom companies, including Jazz, Telenor, Zong and Ufone.

While YouTube, Facebook and Netflix show their contents through their own CDNs, Akamai is the third party contractor for many international content providers, including some foreign media houses.

Though neither the PTA nor representatives of the ISPs were willing to talk on record about the meeting, officials said that it was responsibility of the ISPs to ensure that no pornographic/immoral/illegal content is being shown to users through CDNs.

“The ISPs are the gateway to Pakistan and they needed to pressurise their partners to manage illegal contents, especially immoral subjects,” the officials said. They even cited the example of sectarian and hate based trends at Twitter in recent days.

“How Twitter allowed to create this kind of # and gain so much traction,” the official said. “How such trends are allowed and pick up so much traction. These dangerous trends have potential to create serious internal strife that is why there is a need to keep a regulatory check at CDNs too.”

Pakistan has currently around 3,000 Gbps of internet traffic and the CDNs in Pakistan serve an equal amount of traffic to Pakistani internet users.

Sources in the industry said that the ISPs downplayed the PTAs demand and expressed their inability to regulate the contents of CDNs.

“CDNs are controlled by foreign content providers and ISPs have no control over it,” said a representative of the ISP, adding, “PTA should get the filtration done by its own costly Web Monitoring System (WMS) and enhance its capacity”.

Meanwhile, during the meeting the delegation of ISPs told the PTA that by shutting CDNs would mean shutting down 60 per cent of Internet in Pakistan and making cost of internet 2-3 times of current rates.

“Besides, the PTA has to understand that immoral contents are not shown at any of the key CDNs in the country, so they need to identify the issue clearly,” said a senior executive of an ISP.

While referring to the PECA 2016, the PTA has asked the ISPs to ensure that no immoral content passes through their network.

Published in Dawn, September 3rd, 2020

ISPs won't block this content because their sales will plunge as most of their sales go to such useless entertainment industry

 

[truthfollower]

ISPs won't block this content because their sales will plunge as most of their sales go to such useless entertainment industry

ISPs only provide bandwidth you can use it for whatever purposes you like

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Bc kasam sei bajae kei achi cheezei china sei sikhei, sab sei badtar cheez par ham aa rhe hain. Chawal hakoomat, jahil loug.

You people have issues when government does not do something, its okay. But when govt does a really good thing,, why not appreciate that. General Pakistani public is not mature enough for a "free internet"

 

[313ghazi]

Response to separatists is to hit Mumbai and Kabul or take out traitors and sellouts, not to take teenagers' **** away from them. They will take their desires out in real life instead of to pixels (arguably better because IRL doesn't give you a whole list of mental disorders and erectile dysfunction). (but i don't think pta is smart enough to come to any conclusion other than ban)

Can't agree more. Honestly there comes a certain time in your teenage where you are horny af. It is natural, nothing is wrong with you. What you do? Go take out your desires in real life or fulfil your needs watching adult content? I would rather have them watch adult content instead of the rape culture of India (Where **** is banned too).

And wow, whats up with PDF mods? Are you guys 12 years old that you have word p_orn banned? Grow up.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

ISPs only provide bandwidth you can use it for whatever purposes you like

Haven't you seen Tiktok only packages?? Tell me how Tiktok is a good app for education/communication/entertainment etc?? Thank God GOP has already banned p0rn websites otherwise those ISPs will make offer and packages for these apps too.

 

[HammerHead081]

Bibi I would rather like a Chinese progressive oppressive system rather than a neo western system where children become pseudo-pornstars

"Progressive-oppressive" How delusional can someone be. China are economically really good, true. But because of their censorship, this Covid-19 has spread. Do you even know that Covid started spreading in last year's December? But due to their censorship culture, the news didn't come out to world until 4th-5th month of 2020? How can this type of BS be beneficial to anyone.

 

[HammerHead081]

ISPs won't block this content because their sales will plunge as most of their sales go to such useless entertainment industry

ISPs won't block this content because it isn't their job, their job is only to provide internet to the masses as literally their name says "Internet service provider"

 

[HammerHead081]

You people have issues when government does not do something, its okay. But when govt does a really good thing,, why not appreciate that. General Pakistani public is not mature enough for a "free internet"

Who decides if it is a bad or good thing, how can you say that it is a good thing? If this thing is so good then why haven't the European and American countries have done this as they are the most prosperous?

 

[HammerHead081]

Haven't you seen Tiktok only packages?? Tell me how Tiktok is a good app for education/communication/entertainment etc?? Thank God GOP has already banned p0rn websites otherwise those ISPs will make offer and packages for these apps too.

People mainly watch Tiktok for entertainment so yeah it is great for entertainment for those people. If you don't agree with their liking (It is subjective) then you may not download it. No one is forcing you to.

Also what is wrong with watching p_orn? Don't talk religious non-sense to me as this country is for every person be he is a muslim or not and also you have no authority to judge a muslim even if he watches p_orn as God is his only judge. Give me a logical reason because everyone here gave a logical reason why it should be allowed, you didn't refute it, you just went along saying what you had in mind without any reason.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Who decides if it is a bad or good thing, how can you say that it is a good thing? If this thing is so good then why haven't the European and American countries have done this as they are the most prosperous?

Europe and America are not prosperous because they watch p0rn. People of those countries know how to use the internet for doing business, getting education etc. If you compare the ratio of positive vs negative use of internet, our people will easily beat them in negative use.

Also if Western countries do something it doesn't mean it is something great. If you really want to copy west why not copy in education, progress, science, technology, agriculture and many other fields. Why the pseudo-liberals only see nudity, promiscuity, sexism when it comes to defining Western progress. In fact all these things are causing a decline of Western world due to the fact that their family system is being destroyed by materialism and sexism.

 

[WarKa DaNG]

Pakistan is becoming another North Korea but in lite