Islamization of Jinnah.

[Leader]

1.I need to look for it. But I saw it recently either here in PDF or in a Pakistani newspaper.

2. Meanwhile I attach Jinnah's last known speech. This was delivered at the opening of SBP. For this Jinnah had traveled all the way from Ziarat much against the advice of his doctor. The second last para is important. In a concise manner he has directed the nation to follow Islam in all affairs.

Yes that I know is very comprehensive and conclusive.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Quaid’s effort to Islamise society was thwarted - thenews.com.pk

There, I have it.

As I expected ... It is
Ansar Abbasi !!! .......
Orya Maqbool , Ansar Abbasi and Safdar Mehmood are the biggest jokers in Pakistan . Pathological liars

 

[Leader]

Quaid’s effort to Islamise society was thwarted - thenews.com.pk

There, I have it.

Department of Islamic Reconstruction. I know of it from some other book or that times news paper that I came to know during a research thesis that I did back in college.

 

[INDIC]

Look buddy, Jinnah first and farmost is a smart politician, secular or not his all upbringing made in a secular environment no doubt about it.

First, he tries his best to secure the rights of Muslims of the subcontinent in a United India by demanding states/provinces full rights of any legislations and independence so that people of Punjab, Sindh, NWFP & Bengal where Muslims are in majority feel comfortable as per their own laws but that demand outrightly rejected by the Hindu majority congress so like any other smart politician he opted to go For Pakistan and achieved it thunderously.

Reply of this kind had come before me many times and since I disagreed I had replied it too but leave it for now. Important point is was Jinnah really a secular guy who wanted a secular state or he wanted a Islamic state as reflected by Objective Resolution of Liaquat Ali Khan.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Department of Islamic Reconstruction. I know of it from some other book or that times news paper that I came to know during a research thesis that I did back in college.

1)There is absolutely no reference to a Department of Islamic Reconstruction in any of the official documents of the Government of Pakistan.

2)There is no reference to “Allama” Asad aka Lepold Weiss in Jinnah Papers. Jinnah never corresponded with him, never met him and never appointed him to anything. I have looked through Jinnah Papers as well Jinnah’s correspondence during this period. Even the Shamsul Hassan collection has no reference to this Allama Asad. There is absolutely no primary source evidence that shows this Allama as being associated with the Pakistan Government. How strange then that Jinnah who meticulously saved his correspondence forgot to mention this.(Yasser Hamdani)

3)Muhammad Asad himself has made no mention of any such details in his famous auto biography ; "Road to Mecca"
The Road to Mecca (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All we find is : Asad in his book “Principles of State and Government in Islam” claims that he headed what seems to be an Islamic Reconstruction Department in West Punjab. Even if that were true, which would require confirmation, that does not connect Asad to Jinnah or the Central Pakistan Government.


Soon after his arrival in Lahore, Asad was called by Nawab of Mamdot, the first Chief Minister of Western Punjab who sought advice on the possible ideological contours of the new country. Asad suggested setting up of an organization to examine this issue. Mamdot agreed and thus he came to design, set up and head the Department of Islamic Reconstruction. Explaining the aims and objectives of the Department in an interview broadcast over Radio Pakistan in October 1947, Asad observed that it was the only government department of its time anywhere in the Muslim world to carry the word ‘Islamic’ in its title. He added, “All that we are expected to do – all that we can legitimately do – is to help the community to co-ordinate its spiritual and intellectual resources and to revive the moral strength of which the Millat must be capable by virtue of its being the Millat of Islam; in other words to help the Millat to re-create the Islamic atmosphere so necessary for a revival of Islamic life in its practical aspects.”

A few weeks later the Chief Minister asked him to draw up a Memorandum on the lines of his article Towards Islamic Constitution which would be published by the government of Punjab and may come to the notice of the Central government.The Memorandum was soon written and published. It generated sufficient interest in the capital city that led to Asad being called to Karachi to meet with Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan who advised him to write in more detail on the subject of Islamic Constitution.
Muhammad Asad: The Story of a Story of a Story | Criterion

So saying that Jinnah himself set up a department of Islamic reconstruction and appointed Muhammad Asad as its head , is nothing more than a blatant lie , concocted by pathological liars like Orya Maqbool Jan ..

What our great scholar , Jinab Orya Sahib , apparently failed to realize (while desperately trying to "Islamize" Jinnah) is :

1) Muhammad Asad, accepted Islam on the hands of Maulana Sadar Ud Din, Imam of Berlin Mosque, Germany, run by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. His name is still written in the registers of converts to Islam.

2)His main focus was on the primacy of Quran over any all other sources such as Hadith and Sunna as he felt that Quran had been over-ruled by secondary sources. He did not believe in second coming of Jesus for example!!

So if Jinnah appointed such a man as head of Islamic Reconstruction Department , We can clearly judge Jinnah`s understanding of Islam !! Hope you get the point

How ironic is our dilemma as a country? We abuse and insult Zafrullah Khan, a man who Jinnah appointed as Pakistan’s first representative to the UN, Pakistan’s first foreign minister and Pakistan’s lawyer before the boundary commission but are willing to latch on to the most tenuous of claims by some Jewish convert to Islam of having been head of some provincial department, if at all. Muhammad Asad disliked Zafarullah as he was denied a permission to marry a polish lady by Ministry of Foreign affairs (Zafarullah was the foreign minister) . @asad71

 

[Dubious]

Man why cant you leave the dead man alone?!

His grave wasnt spared...at least spare his name and thoughts!

 

[M. Sarmad]

Man why cant you leave the dead man alone?!

His grave wasnt spared...at least spare his name and thoughts!

Large fonts Again !!! . His grave was not spared because of the "frustration" in our society which is a logical outcome of the process of "Islamization" of Jinnah and Pakistan !!!

 

[Pakistani E]

Quaid’s effort to Islamise society was thwarted - thenews.com.pk

There, I have it.

Biggest bullsh*t I read since I first found PDF. Well done, I rank you among the likes of Zarvan, You must be proud of yourself.

 

[Dubious]

Large fonts Again !!! . His grave was not spared because of the "frustration" in our society which is a logical outcome of the process of "Islamization" of Jinnah and Pakistan !!!

Well, it is to catch attention....and there is nothing "Islamization" of doing crappy acts be it at a grave or elsewhere..Corruption is corruption...i dont get how you people can name it something else...that is like pure denial!

 

[Pakistani E]

1)There is absolutely no reference to a Department of Islamic Reconstruction in any of the official documents of the Government of Pakistan.

2)There is no reference to “Allama” Asad aka Lepold Weiss in Jinnah Papers. Jinnah never corresponded with him, never met him and never appointed him to anything. I have looked through Jinnah Papers as well Jinnah’s correspondence during this period. Even the Shamsul Hassan collection has no reference to this Allama Asad. There is absolutely no primary source evidence that shows this Allama as being associated with the Pakistan Government. How strange then that Jinnah who meticulously saved his correspondence forgot to mention this.(Yasser Hamdani)

3)Muhammad Asad himself has made no mention of any such details in his famous auto biography ; "Road to Mecca"
The Road to Mecca (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


All we find is : Asad in his book “Principles of State and Government in Islam” claims that he headed what seems to be an Islamic Reconstruction Department in West Punjab. Even if that were true, which would require confirmation, that does not connect Asad to Jinnah or the Central Pakistan Government.


Soon after his arrival in Lahore, Asad was called by Nawab of Mamdot, the first Chief Minister of Western Punjab who sought advice on the possible ideological contours of the new country. Asad suggested setting up of an organization to examine this issue. Mamdot agreed and thus he came to design, set up and head the Department of Islamic Reconstruction. Explaining the aims and objectives of the Department in an interview broadcast over Radio Pakistan in October 1947, Asad observed that it was the only government department of its time anywhere in the Muslim world to carry the word ‘Islamic’ in its title. He added, “All that we are expected to do – all that we can legitimately do – is to help the community to co-ordinate its spiritual and intellectual resources and to revive the moral strength of which the Millat must be capable by virtue of its being the Millat of Islam; in other words to help the Millat to re-create the Islamic atmosphere so necessary for a revival of Islamic life in its practical aspects.”

A few weeks later the Chief Minister asked him to draw up a Memorandum on the lines of his article Towards Islamic Constitution which would be published by the government of Punjab and may come to the notice of the Central government.The Memorandum was soon written and published. It generated sufficient interest in the capital city that led to Asad being called to Karachi to meet with Prime Minister Liaquat Ali Khan who advised him to write in more detail on the subject of Islamic Constitution.
Muhammad Asad: The Story of a Story of a Story | Criterion

So saying that Jinnah himself set up a department of Islamic reconstruction and appointed Muhammad Asad as its head , is nothing more than a blatant lie , concocted by pathological liars like Orya Maqbool Jan ..

What our great scholar , Jinab Orya Sahib , apparently failed to realize (while desperately trying to "Islamize" Jinnah) is :

1) Muhammad Asad, accepted Islam on the hands of Maulana Sadar Ud Din, Imam of Berlin Mosque, Germany, run by Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement. His name is still written in the registers of converts to Islam.

2)His main focus was on the primacy of Quran over any all other sources such as Hadith and Sunna as he felt that Quran had been over-ruled by secondary sources. He did not believe in second coming of Jesus for example!!

So if Jinnah appointed such a man as head of Islamic Reconstruction Department , We can clearly judge Jinnah`s understanding of Islam !! Hope you get the point

How ironic is our dilemma as a country? We abuse and insult Zafrullah Khan, a man who Jinnah appointed as Pakistan’s first representative to the UN, Pakistan’s first foreign minister and Pakistan’s lawyer before the boundary commission but are willing to latch on to the most tenuous of claims by some Jewish convert to Islam of having been head of some provincial department, if at all. Muhammad Asad disliked Zafarullah as he was denied a permission to marry a polish lady by Ministry of Foreign affairs (Zafarullah was the foreign minister) . @asad71

Can you honestly take these people seriously who pull out these wild conspiracy theories? I mean I can never reply with as much patience and knowledge as you do. Well done, Sir.

 

[M. Sarmad]

Well, it is to catch attention....and there is nothing "Islamization" of doing crappy acts be it at a grave or elsewhere..Corruption is corruption...i dont get how you people can name it something else...that is like pure denial!

You go for "whatever" is available for doing "crapy acts" in Islamic Republic of Pakistan where cops do not allow you to even hang out freely with your gf and where "couples" are not allowed to take rooms in hotels !!

Can you honestly take these people seriously who pull out these wild conspiracy theories? I mean I can never reply with as much patience and knowledge as you do. Well done, Sir.

Unfortunately a lot of uninformed people here do take theses clowns (Orya Maqbool and Ansar Abbasi) seriously !!

 

[Dubious]

You go for "whatever" is available for doing "crapy acts" in Islamic Republic of Pakistan where cops do not allow you to even hang out freely with your gf and where "couples" are not allowed to take rooms in hotels !!

I beg your pardon?

 

[M. Sarmad]

I beg your pardon?

QUAID E AZAM’S SHRINE AVAILABLE ON RENT FOR SEX

 

[Dubious]

QUAID E AZAM’S SHRINE AVAILABLE ON RENT FOR SEX

You go for "whatever" is available for doing "crapy acts" in Islamic Republic of Pakistan where cops do not allow you to even hang out freely with your gf and where "couples" are not allowed to take rooms in hotels !!

So you want to get horny on a grave? That too of the founder? How much sicker can one get? That is not an excuse! Not at all! No one can give an excuse for their sick mindset because that is what it is...sick! Hence what I wrote:

Man why cant you leave the dead man alone?!
His grave wasnt spared...at least spare his name and thoughts!

To my "large fonts which actually had the same msg you replied this:

Large fonts Again !!! . His grave was not spared because of the "frustration" in our society which is a logical outcome of the process of "Islamization" of Jinnah and Pakistan !!!

to which I replied this:

Well, it is to catch attention....and there is nothing "Islamization" of doing crappy acts be it at a grave or elsewhere..Corruption is corruption...i dont get how you people can name it something else...that is like pure denial!

And you took a U-turn and came back to this:

You go for "whatever" is available for doing "crapy acts" in Islamic Republic of Pakistan where cops do not allow you to even hang out freely with your gf and where "couples" are not allowed to take rooms in hotels !!

Without answering this

Well, it is to catch attention....and there is nothing "Islamization" of doing crappy acts be it at a grave or elsewhere..Corruption is corruption...i dont get how you people can name it something else...that is like pure denial!

 

[M. Sarmad]

So you want to get horny on a grave? That too of the founder? How much sicker can one get? That is not an excuse! Not at all! No one can give an excuse for their sick mindset because that is what it is...sick! Hence what I wrote:

And you took a U-turn and came back to this:

No U turns , Just that you did not get my point

You go for "whatever" is available for doing "crapy acts" in Islamic Republic of Pakistan where cops do not allow you to even hang out freely with your gf and where "couples" are not allowed to take rooms in hotels !!

His grave was not spared because of the "frustration" in our society which is a logical outcome of the process of "Islamization" of Jinnah and Pakistan !!!