Islamists abduct more than 100 girls from Nigeria school: Security official

[karan.1970]

You are wasting your time with vicious Indian trolls who in real lives are sad little miserable, geeky and have low inferiority complex.

Not single one of them have any knowledge of Islam. Most of these sad trolls can be found on anti Islam sites such as jihad watch. They just copy paste and parrot whatever they read on those websites.

That's the problem with self proclaimed Muslim experts who end up giving a bad name to all muslims. Some of you are so defensive about your religion that the moment someone asks a question or makes an observation, you start boiling into murderous rage. Makes it look as if you have something to hide.. Remember that religion and God are beyond insults and ridicule. Its your own egos that make you react the way you do ..BTW this moronity is not restricted to Islam only. You find this kind in other religions too. Its just that the % seems to be higher in Islam

 

[veekysingh]

I don't think you understand what Jihad is, there is numerous types of Jihad unrelated to war and the war Jihad is not about finishing off non-Muslims. You clearly don't recognize the difference between Arabic language thousands of years ago compared to slang Arabic in modern day.

Back then, no word existed to state that one is 'defending his self', today a word does exist. It's pronounced Difaah An Anfoosonah. Back then however, to express this they simply used the Arab word for fighting while being fought, which is 'Qatil'. In the Quran when people asked what to do when being attacked God assured them they're entitled to 'Qatil' if they're being persecuted.

Islam became popular by persuasion, at one point a group of 70 companions of Muhammad went to the city of Madinah to preach Islam, they were executed and thrown into a well. So no, such an insane idea of perpetual violence doesn't exist in our religious philosophy.

Hence, this is an ideology manufactured by such militant organizations which are attacking Muslims most of the time.

Whatever the interpretation is it certainly not manufactured by militant organization but by Islamic preachers themselves. Otherwise why would Muslims needed to invade and then forcefully convert ppl to islam (which happened from day one and still going on by Muslims). ? , Buddhism also went to so many country but they didn't needed to invade anyone.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Unfortunately, it seems like it may be a waste of time. With that logic we might as well say all past tribal conflicts, land disputes, separatist groups, slavery, militant organizations, empires, modern competition all derives directly from all religion and not only Islam. However, the obvious observation is that there is a bias here and only Islam is singled out.

There is nothing wrong with Islam but there is definitely something wrong with many Muslims. But instead of discussing these issues all we get here is trolls saying ''religion of peace at work''. This is the same quote that is constantly used by anti Islam trolls on Social media. Indians tend to make a large numbers of these vicious anti Islam trolls. I have countered many such trolls on You tube with my 20 different You tube accounts.

 

[Falcon29]

Whatever the interpretation is it certainly not manufactured by militant organization but by Islamic preachers themselves. Otherwise why would Muslims needed to invade and then forcefully convert ppl to islam (which happened from day one and still going on by Muslims). ? , Buddhism also went to so many country but they didn't needed to invade anyone.

Do you know how many different Islamic clerics exist? Hundreds of thousands, we no longer have a structure of a single supreme religious authority. Today, anybody could be a cleric and interpret things the way he sees it. If you want to talk about the past then cite specific examples, although I don't think they're needed for this discussion.

 

[Jaanbaz]

That's the problem with self proclaimed Muslim experts who end up giving a bad name to all muslims. Some of you are so defensive about your religion that the moment someone asks a question or makes an observation, you start boiling into murderous rage. Makes it look as if you have something to hide.. Remember that religion and God are beyond insults and ridicule. Its your own egos that make you react the way you do ..BTW this moronity is not restricted to Islam only. You find this kind in other religions too. Its just that the % seems to be higher in Islam

All Muslims are terrorists and we are out to get you. That should satisfy your ego.

 

[jaunty]

Sorry, but it's not an ad hoc, as it all depends on ones definition of the modern term 'Islamist', there isn't an universally agreed upon definition. It's a creation of mainstream media which has it's own intentions which we don't need to get into.

Muslims need to introspect and try to find out and solve the root cause why most of the terrorists around the world today are Muslims and why they use the religion Islam as a fighting tool. You can get defensive and shrug it off as "oh they are not true Muslims", "it's just a propaganda of them kafirs" but the world doesn't buy that anymore. It is not just media propaganda. There must be something wrong either in the teachings or the teachers. Unless you address that issue and make necessary changes things are not going get better.

 

[Falcon29]

There is nothing wrong with Islam but there is definitely something wrong with many Muslims. But instead of discussing these issues all we get here is trolls saying ''religion of peace at work''. This is the same quote that is constantly used by anti Islam trolls on Social media. Indians tend to make a large numbers of these vicious anti Islam trolls. I have countered many such trolls on You tube with my 20 different You tube accounts.

Exactly, which is why we need to look over the history of this region to understand people's motives, Nigeria isn't the only place that sees militant violence. We also have the CAR which has Christian militant violence against non-Christians. The situation is more complicated than we think, of course we all condemn such backwards organizations but we can't assume people in that region comprehend things the way we do. We're way more developed and educated, Africa has been having tribal conflicts ever since these nations were created by Europeans since they partitioned territory tribal groups had ownership over. We should discuss this issue with reason, the Nigerian army and people are Muslims and we support them in their struggle for authority.

These catch phrases against Islam really make it clear that we're dealing with lazy people with pea sized brains.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Exactly, which is why we need to look over the history of this region to understand people's motives, Nigeria isn't the only place that sees militant violence. We also have the CAR which has Christian militant violence against non-Christians. The situation is more complicated than we think, of course we all condemn such backwards organizations but we can't assume people in that region comprehend things the way we do. We're way more developed and educated, Africa has been having tribal conflicts ever since these nations were created by Europeans since they partitioned territory tribal groups had ownership over. We should discuss this issue with reason, the Nigerian army and people are Muslims and we support them in their struggle for authority.

These catch phrases against Islam really make it clear that we're dealing with lazy people with pea sized brains.

Most of the world map you see today was drawn by colonists with a pencil and a ruler while sitting somewhere in a office. Just look at the map of ME and Africa.

 

[Falcon29]

That's the problem with self proclaimed Muslim experts who end up giving a bad name to all muslims. Some of you are so defensive about your religion that the moment someone asks a question or makes an observation, you start boiling into murderous rage. Makes it look as if you have something to hide.. Remember that religion and God are beyond insults and ridicule. Its your own egos that make you react the way you do ..BTW this moronity is not restricted to Islam only. You find this kind in other religions too. Its just that the % seems to be higher in Islam

You can go ahead and ask a question, we never denied such requests. However, what is being done is something drastically different. It's delegitimizing a world religion and it's very selective. Muslims are at the forefront of enormous criticism on a daily basis for several decades now so it's normal for Muslims to react with frustration as mainstream media encourages misinformation and selective slogans/hatred. If for example for the conflict in Myanmar mainstream media portrayed the situation as Buddhist on Muslim violence inspired by the Buddhist religion and millions of people accepted this portrayal you'd be outraged as a Buddhist.

 

[karan.1970]

All Muslims are terrorists and we are out to get you. That should satisfy your ego.

Not really dude.. But a lot of muslim translate everything into a perceived attack on Islam. And go into a tailspin of rage and rampage. Those are the terrorists.

 

[Falcon29]

Muslims need to introspect and try to find out and solve the root cause why most of the terrorists around the world today are Muslims and why they use the religion Islam as a fighting tool. You can get defensive and shrug it off as "oh they are not true Muslims", "it's just a propaganda of them kafirs" but the world doesn't buy that anymore. It is not just media propaganda. There must be something wrong either in the teachings or the teachers. Unless you address that issue and make necessary changes things are not going get better.

There is no root problem or cause, every situation is different in itself, you need to be specific. In which modern conflict do you believe Islam is responsible for? Could you be specific so we can at least understand you? You insist that there is a root cause although that doesn't mean it's true. How can you summarize centuries of history into an Islamic conspiracy? So colonialism had nothing to do with modern day tribal conflicts? So why is Rwanda in the state it is today? Was it not because of minority apartheid?

Meanwhile, you should just state it as violence, whether done through terrorist attacks or state sponsored destructive attacks it's all violence one way or another and it's all terrorism one way or another since modern day war strategies rely on causing shock to the civilian population and destruction to civilian infrastructure, this is equally as terrorist as terrorist attacks. So your assumption is more related to non state actors, however you rarely condemn or question state sponsored violence which is just as destructive. The reality is violence and conflict exists everywhere and it's not anything to do with religion irregardless of what is used as a pretext, whether it's religion, 'peace' , 'democracy', 'protecting interests' etc...

Most of the world map you see today was drawn by colonists with a pencil and a ruler while sitting somewhere in a office. Just look at the map of ME and Africa.

Just look at this map, nation building became the recipe for all out tribal conflict in Africa since people wanted to preserve their tribal identity:

 

[Jaanbaz]

Not really dude.. But a lot of muslim translate everything into a perceived attack on Islam. And go into a tailspin of rage and rampage. Those are the terrorists.

There i said we are all terrorists. Isn't this what you want to prove? Islam is a religion of terror and violence. Now stroke your ego.

 

[illusion8]

Do not give these armed criminal gangs the title of 'Islamists'. Their policy and actions do not relate in any way to Islam at all even considering these poor Nigerian girls are most likely Muslims as well.

This is a group which wants to impose its ideology on the inhabitants and exercise control over the area to satisfy their interests.

You are doing a dis service to your religion by putting your head in the sand - the first step to solving a problem is to accept it. These terrorists are from a certain religion but the issue doesn't end there - they draw inspiration from that religion, maybe their interpretation is wrong, but their actions and ideologies are totally based on what they believe about that religion.

Boko is an extremist Islamic terrorist organization who's goal is to take down western institutions and bring in Islamic law, their main targets are Christian missionary schools and they target students and teachers from these schools. Their main aim is to eliminate the influence of the west. They do not attack Muslim religious schools, their major targets are people of a particular religion and their schools.

 

[Kesang]

Fundamentalists of every religion are bad. If Christians starts following bible strictly then they will start killing non-christian like they use to do few centuries ago, Hindu will start killing their widows. Now Muslims are more religious than any other major religion, they are doing such act more than followers of any other religion.

 

[Falcon29]

You are doing a dis service to your religion by putting your head in the sand - the first step to solving a problem is to accept it. These terrorists are from a certain religion but the issue doesn't end there - they draw inspiration from that religion, maybe their interpretation is wrong, but their actions and ideologies are totally based on what they believe about that religion.

Boko is an extremist Islamic terrorist organization who's goal is to take down western institutions and bring in Islamic law, their main targets are Christian missionary schools and they target students and teachers from these schools. Their main aim is to eliminate the influence of the west. They do not attack Muslim religious schools, their major targets are people of a particular religion and their schools.

No I'm not doing a disservice, what I said regarding worldwide violence is true and you're a bigot and liar. End of discussion.