Islamic extremism The languages of jihad

[Abu Zolfiqar]

First thing I woke up at 6 o clock. I am always logged in and never shut off my laptop.

Secondly, I am providing the distinction who are Good Muslims who are working against Radical Islamists. All are good documentaries.

It also talks of Petrodollars used in spread of Wahabism in US. Don't you want to help people to distinguish what is Real Islam - Religion of Peace and what is this twisted version Spread in our world.

Proper information is only way to inform people to avoid paranoia.

I think this is something that only Muslims can introspect about - lest your "good intentions" be seen as meddling or perhaps "point scoring on PDF"


now of course to address what you said -- yes I do find any "twisting" of Islam for political purposes as an irritant and something which is instrumental in not just creating inter-religious disharmony but also (especially as of late) INTRA-religious disharmony

 

[Ayush]

Not really. Indian Muslims are poor and don't get too much education. Is there any International terrorist group in India ? Why is that you hardly ever heard an Indian Muslim terrorist bombing US consulates or Western countries ?

Its about teaching basic tolerance and respect to all religion. This is what made Indian Muslims different from other Muslims in the world.

true,no indian muslim does this.but still they do it at a local level,again because lack of education is more prevalent among them.

look at christians,they mostly live in western developed countries,with very few exceptions,and they are well settled,so getting involved in terrorist activities is out of question.
same goes with the jews.

look at hindus,mostly stay in india,so that means an average hindu has a per capita income of 5500$.leaving some chance for extremism.

look at the muslims,around 50% of africa is muslim dominated,also in afghanistan and borders of af-pak.these areas have low education,unemployement and political unstability,thus making them vulnerable to brain washing,both in the names of religion and money.

(no offence).

 

[KRAIT]

I think this is something that only Muslims can introspect about - lest your "good intentions" be seen as meddling or perhaps "point scoring on PDF"

Well I can't prove it to you. You can ask other members whom you "trust".

When APJ Abdul Kalam is frisked in US because he is a Muslim, I get Angry over why such a great Indian, yes, an Indian first, Muslim second, get treated this way because of Western Paranoia created by Islamic fundamentalists.

He is role model of millions of Indian students irrespective of whatever their religion are.

I have every right to stand for Indian Muslims like him.

 

[fallstuff]

Watch the extent of Brainwashing of even children. Telling Jews are apes and pigs, threatening the soldiers of the same country they live in like Britain, France etc. Desecration of Churches. Giving annd teaching kids to use a gun. Teenage suicide bombers.

Obsession - Radical Islam. (Full Documentary) - YouTube

This is a banned topic like rapes, lack of toilet and/or open
you know what.

 

[KRAIT]

This is a banned topic like rapes, lack of toilet and/or open you know what.

Ask any Mod. Its not banned.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Well I can't prove it to you. You can ask other members whom you "trust".

Its not the Muslims only who can introspect.

When APJ Abdul Kalam is frisked in US because he is a Muslim, I get Angry over why such a great Indian, yes, a Indian first, Muslim second, get treated this way because of Western Paranoia created by Islamic fundamentalists.

He is role model of millions of Indian students irrespective of whatever their religion are.

I have every right to stand for Indian Muslims like him.

I think he can speak for himself whether he's Muslim first or indian first or whatever. Doesnt affect either of us right? Now of course on the frisking thing, I think it speaks volumes about the ignorance of the TSA guys who frisk people they have no idea who they are frisking. Shahrukh Khan figured that out not once but twice (i remember seeing something in the news about that)

by the way, Western paranoia exists because of the media hype and the attention given to certain rascals with certain objectives . Everyone knows how mass media has helped shape (and even drive) history, which is why it's such a lucrative field (and why as we can clearly see, how it rubs off on some people who cant seem to shake this habit of NOT thinking objectively and forming they own opinions based on un-digested facts)

Any educated American wherever they may be would know (just through either first-hand knowledge or a quick google search) that Muslims have contributed more to America than anyone could imagine. 8 million of them, for the record.

Thomas Jefferson (one of the founding fathers of the United States) didn't have "Islamic fundamentalism" on his mind when he kept a copy of the Holy Quran @ his Monticello residence and in fact, is known to have used it as a reference from time to time.

 

[KRAIT]

@Abu Zolfiqar They all say they are Indian first, Muslim second.

Second, I am not blaming all Muslims. The documentary was made by a Muslim. Watch it. Its the fringe groups that are causing problem for innocent Muslims all around the world.

Western Media is doing propaganda just like these Fringe Groups. You can find thousands of documentaries and hate speech available on net.

They are openly praising 9/11 attack in US.They say they will make French troops pay for Mali attack. Same they say for British troops.

Propaganda is going on from both sides. Wahabism is mentioned as major problem.

I know what happened in Bosnia, India, Myanmar and other countries. Why there is too much hatred and extremism among the two section of the society. Seen some of the most sickening war and riot accounts.

 

[fallstuff]

Ask any Mod. Its not banned.

You are generalizing an entire group of people belonging to a certain faith.

Your intentions are certainly not kosher.

 

[KRAIT]

You are generalizing an entire group of people belonging to a certain faith.
Your intentions are certainly not kosher.

I am instead proving that we shouldn't generalize. Look what they are teaching to kids, their cartoons depicting Israelis drink blood of Muslims, teenage suicide bombers.

There are two type of people, Extremist and Moderate. Even in Hindus, there are many extremists and moderates. If you want I can talk on it too. But Hindu extremism is not a global phenomenon.

 

[jbond197]

I am instead proving that we shouldn't generalize. Look what they are teaching to kids, their cartoons depicting Israelis drink blood of Muslims, teenage suicide bombers.

There are two type of people, Extremist and Moderate. Even in Hindus, there are many extremists and moderates. If you want I can talk on it too. But Hindu extremism is not a global phenomenon.

Few people don't want to accept the facts/reality about them. They hate it when people points to the obvious..

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

@Abu Zolfiqar They all say they are Indian first, Muslim second.

Second, I am not blaming all Muslims. The documentary was made by a Muslim. Watch it. Its the fringe groups that are causing problem for innocent Muslims all around the world.

Western Media is doing propaganda just like these Fringe Groups. You can find thousands of documentaries and hate speech available on net.

They are openly praising 9/11 attack in US.They say they will make French troops pay for Mali attack. Same they say for British troops.

Propaganda is going on from both sides. Wahabism is mentioned as major problem.

I know what happened in Bosnia, India, Myanmar and other countries. Why there is too much hatred and extremism among the two section of the society. Seen some of the most sickening war and riot accounts.

you bring up things like Palestinian action (be it activism or be it armed intifada) it takes a lot of courage to also ask "why do the hunted become the hunters"


or even just a simple


"WHY"



Why ask "why"?


In the interests of "justifying" politically motivated violence or misguided fervour?



NO.



But simply to understand what helps incubate the social and political problems and causes certain people with nothin to lose to 'act'

 

[KRAIT]

Few people don't want to accept the facts/reality about them. They hate it when people points to the obvious..

If they don't, we have to. Because innocent Muslims will be targeted due to these fundamentalism pushing them to oppression and a feedback mechanism will start.

There are 150 million Muslims, we have to keep them away from extremism. Protect them from their own so called brothers who want to mislead them. Curb Hindu extremism too. Otherwise there will be blood everywhere in India.

Our existence depends on religious harmony which we had for centuries even when there were riots of worst kinds.

@Abu Zolfiqar The problem is on both sides. Where did I say others are not responsible ?

We had slavery and oppression by Britishers, much violent than Israel, but we won our independence majorly by Non-violence.

Violence justify these inhumane acts by both sides.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

when your moral cause is right and when you know you are righteous, sometimes violence is necessary

hate to say it.....

if things were my way -- there'd never have been a "peaceful resistance" against Britishers. They'd be doing what the Waziris were doing in the Frontier. There's a reason why they've always been a proud and never conquered people.

where you and i agree is that use of religion and bending of rules for selfish and self-serving purposes is not something i think is the right thing to do......however I believe that's just about all we agree on.




if you are worried about religious bloodshed in india --- then why dont you do something about your caste system first? Why are you fixing your beams on "Islamists" element only. It's quite curious, since caste-related violence has claimed much more lives than "Islamist violence" ever has.

 

[KingMamba]

The real problem is the petrodollars behind the brainwashing, until the source of the cash is not plugged there can be no real change.

 

[T-123456]

Well I can't prove it to you. You can ask other members whom you "trust".

When APJ Abdul Kalam is frisked in US because he is a Muslim, I get Angry over why such a great Indian, yes, an Indian first, Muslim second, get treated this way because of Western Paranoia created by Islamic fundamentalists.

He is role model of millions of Indian students irrespective of whatever their religion are.

I have every right to stand for Indian Muslims like him.

Well said,you have evry right as humanbeeing no matter what religion.