would be grateful if you could post the necessary links for the same or provide the numbers so may look them up ..... am not asking you to rip into the arguments again ..... just necessary links will be sufficient to prove your claim .....
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would be grateful if you could post the necessary links for the same or provide the numbers so may look them up ..... am not asking you to rip into the arguments again ..... just necessary links will be sufficient to prove your claim .....
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it will be held the day Pakistan pulls out of Kashmir ..... India is bound by the resolution howsoever it may not like it .....
and no, it is not BS .... the fact that J&K is protected under Article 370 of Indian Constitution wherein no Indian can buy land or settle in the said territories in order to preserve the cultural ethos of Kashmir is relevant to proving about the fact of intention at the time ie 1948-49 period.
also the fact that GoP has regularly encouraged ex-servicemen to settle along LC and gives incentives for same (in garb of better security of border) and encourages inter-marriage (which is not so in India) further underlines my claim ...
I think you fail to understand English in written forms ... I have drawn parallel on asking for implementation of the said resoultion of UN with India asking for Shimla accord to be re-written .... that is .... it is something that had its relevance in a specific time period and not 60 or 30 years later ...... who the hell is saying they both are same? If UN resolution was implemented in 1948 (and here the onus was on Pakistan to take the step I of resolution that is removal of its forces completely) then you would have no reason to crib as India would have been forced to implement the same under their own undertaking to UN and Kashmiris ...... also if India had implemented Kashmir resolution as the first step to peace in Shimla after 1971 war, the same would have been implemented with or without wishes ..... but neither did Pakistan take the decisive step in their "fight for Kashmiris" in 1948 by withdrawing and forcing India to withdraw too nor did Indians complete their claim for J&K in 1971 by forcing resolution on a broken and defeated Pakistan who would have had to agree to any demands that time in face of military defeat .... so the point is your raising the resolution now and India shouting about Shimla is same type of BS and of no practical import or use today.
if you cant decipher the language kindly do let know and shall type the same in easier language ..... before you accuse others of babbling whereas all your post over this matter depicts the same with NO LINKS OR BASIS for same other than I-AM-SO-RIGHT attitude .....
We dont have to explain anything to you indians........LeT will go into indian occupied kashmir and fight a true jihad for peace and hopefully be able to take out a lot of indian terrorist ......PAKISTAN ZINDABAD KASHMIR IS PAKISTAN!
JIHAD FOR PEACE
first fight the "jihad" you have in your cities now ... everyday you have "jihadis" and here even GoP says LeT is involved .... fighting your forces and killing your innocent citizens ..... back your posts with some solid facts and not rhetoric please ......
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If you really want Kashmir, you need to save your country frst. Any sane Pakistani without blinkers, would say that Pakistan is on the verge of becming a failed state.
Dont keep saying the old UN line. How about the UNSC+EU+NATO resolutions against pakistan to stop aiding all terrorists? You are never gonna get Kashmir. You tried militarily you failed thrice, now the gap is too far to bridge. Next time there is a war, IA will be changing the LOC. It wanted to in Kargil, but couldnt because it was given the instruction not to cross the LOC.
You have lost all your support with the Kashmiris. So quit this BS and look at the state of your dwindling country for once and dont divert the issue.
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Lord of Rings approximately about 300,000 strong triblemen are in Pakistan if trained and sent into Kashmir can dent your Indian Army we don't have to go full scale war with India to take Kashmir we'll see about conventional war you forgot 50 percent of your forces are for China you can't use them for Pakistan whether its airforce army or navy
back to square one 2:1 anything is possible since 3:1 is no longer applied the third Pie is for China infact 1.5 Pie is for China now lets continue...
back to square one 2:1 anything is possible since 3:1 is no longer applied the third Pie is for China infact 1.5 Pie is for China now lets continue...
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Lord of the rings using a term "Will destroy" and "devour" is serious you are defining it as its bound to be destroyed may i know why u used Will and devour? You can't predict future how would you know?
Using part of 300,000 isn't correct either taliban is not part of these tribemen taliban is a creation of CIA well established sources knows that no denial about this funded partially by RAW and fully by CIA taliban is a group/organization better distinguish next time. Tribesmen are not created they lived their whole lives in those regions another mistake by you in understanding.
Using part of 300,000 isn't correct either taliban is not part of these tribemen taliban is a creation of CIA well established sources knows that no denial about this funded partially by RAW and fully by CIA taliban is a group/organization better distinguish next time. Tribesmen are not created they lived their whole lives in those regions another mistake by you in understanding.
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India could maintain about 18000 and Pakistan could maintain some number under 10,000.
Dude the links on UN security resolutions are all over the internet. Do your own googling. And tell about it to your fellow Indians as well who bring this argument up now and then.
well then I shall put the necessary link on line also the resolution 47(1948) with the relevant facts am highlighting as also all resolutions passed ........
Kashmir in the United Nations
RESOLUTION 47 (1948) ON THE INDIA-PAKISTAN QUESTION SUBMITTED JOINTLY BY THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR BELGIUM, CANADA, CHINA, COLUMBIA, THE UNITED KINGDOM AND UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND ADOPTED BY THE SECURITY COUNCIL AT ITS 286TH MEETING HELD ON 21 APRIL, 1948. (DOCUMENT NO. S/726, DATED THE 21ST APRIL, 1948).
A - RESTORATION OF PEACE AND ORDER
The Government of Pakistan should undertake to use its best endeavors:
To secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purposes of fighting, and to prevent any intrusion into the State of such elements and any furnishing of material aid to those fighting in the State;
To make known to all concerned that the measures indicated in this and the following paragraphs provide full freedom to all subjects of the State, regardless of creed, caste, or party, to express their views and to vote on the question of the accession of the State, and that therefore they should co-operate in the maintenance of peace and order.
The Government of India should:
When it is established to the satisfaction of the Commission set up in accordance with the Council's Resolution 39 (1948) that the tribesmen are withdrawing and that arrangements for the cessation of the fighting have become effective, put into operation in consultation with the Commission a plan for withdrawing their own forces from Jammu and Kashmir and reducing them progressively to the minimum strength required for the support of the civil power in the maintenance of law and order;
Make known that the withdrawal is taking place in stages and announce the completion of each stage;
When the Indian forces shall have been reduced to the minimum strength mentioned in (a) above, arrange in consultation with the Commission for the stationing of the remaining forces to be carried out in accordance with the following principles:
That the presence of troops should not afford any intimidation or appearance of intimidation to the inhabitants of the State;
That as small a number as possible should be retained in forward areas;
That any reserve of troops which may be included in the total strength should be located within their present base area.
The Government of India should agree that until such time as the plebiscite administration referred to below finds it necessary to exercise the powers of direction and supervision over the State forces and policy provided for in paragraph 8, they will be held in areas to be agreed upon with the Plebiscite Administrator.
After the plan referred to in paragraph 2(a) above has been put into operation, personnel recruited locally in each district should so far as possible be utilized for the reestablishment and maintenance of law and order with due regard to protection of minorities, subject to such additional requirements as may be specified by the Plebiscite Administration referred to in paragraph 7.
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http://www.kashmiri-cc.ca/un/sc21apr48.htm
comment: further that Indian forces, if any, were only authorised to stay in area and the commission set by UN may if at all, seek forces from either india or pakistan.
If these local forces should be found to be inadequate, the Commission, subject to the agreement of both the Government of India and the Government of Pakistan, should arrange for the use of such forces of either Dominion as it deems effective for the purpose of pacification.
B - PLEBISCITE
The Government of India should undertake to ensure that the Government of the State invite the major political groups to designate responsible representatives to share equitably and fully in the conduct of the administration at the ministerial level, while the plebiscite is being prepared and carried out.
The Government of India should undertake that there will be established in Jammu and Kashmir a Plebiscite Administration to hold a plebiscite as soon as possible on the question of the accession of the State to India or Pakistan.
The Government of India should undertake that there will be delegated by the State to the Plebiscite Administration such powers as the latter considers necessary for holding a fair and impartial plebiscite including, for that purpose only, the direction and supervision of the State forces and police.
The Government of India should at the request of the Plebiscite Administration, make available from the Indian forces such assistance as the Plebiscite Administration may require for the performance of its functions.
comment: the point is maintained - that Pakistan had to withdraw all forces - regular or irregular - from Jammu & Kashmir and that if any forces, at all were needed, were to be Indian forces which were to be restricted to the existing bases in Kashmir (from the war days) and small force to be deployed at forward areas (the border with Pakistan) ........
at no time were Pakistani nationals, regulars or irregulars, allowed to stay put .... and post determination of fate by plebiscite, depending upon the decision of the people of J&K, Indian forces were to remain or withdraw
Asim you have made a claim without reseaching your basic resolution - resolution 47(1948) adopted and passed by UN ..... and I have posted the same for your perusal
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