Is Urdu returning to Bangladesh?

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

They were hostile during Hijrat Movement too

This is because Afghan royalty were still stooges of the British. They depended heavily on British and other Europeans for their pampered lifestyle (similar to the Pahlavis of Iran.) They had no care about Islam or other Muslims, and were ready to backstab their own for a profit.

They were content with letting former FATA, Sarhad/KPK, Hazara, and Punjab go to the British and even helped them suppress the Muslim rebels. One regent even helped the Sikhs, lol.

Instead of taking their anger out on the British occupiers, they instead unleashed fury on Quaid e Azam and the Muslim League for doing what they were incapable of, freeing Muslim land of the Indus valley from Kuffar occupation.

Thoughts? @Hakim Dawary

 

[Basel]

Ofcourse I can never critique Quaid e Azam, brother, what I meant was the price we had to pay to bring in Indian Muslims and Bengalis on board.

There are both positives and negatives.

Ideally, Afghanistan could have done more for us during partition but they were led by corrupt, ineffectual rulers. Yet interesting that the mere threat of Iranian and Afghan involvement and declaration of jihad scared the British into conceding Pakistan.

Without Indian Muslims there would have been no Pakistan, also what Jinnah wanted British and Hindus never agreed, if what area Jinnah wanted for Pakistan would have been given than our borders would have been very different as Jinnah wanted to move all Muslims of India in Pakistan but he didn't get that due to tricks of British Raj and Hindus.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Without Indian Muslims there would have been no Pakistan, also what Jinnah wanted British and Hindus never agreed, if what area Jinnah wanted for Pakistan would have been given than our borders would have been very different as Jinnah wanted to move all Muslims of India in Pakistan but he didn't get that due to tricks of British Raj and Hindus.

You mean this?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Without Indian Muslims there would have been no Pakistan, also what Jinnah wanted British and Hindus never agreed, if what area Jinnah wanted for Pakistan would have been given than our borders would have been very different as Jinnah wanted to move all Muslims of India in Pakistan but he didn't get that due to tricks of British Raj and Hindus.

So why can't indian Muslims protect themselves now?.........If they can make a homeland for Pakistanis then why not one for themselves?

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

So why can't indian Muslims protect themselves now?.........If they can make a homeland for Pakistanis then why not one for themselves?

Bz many came to Pakistan like my Forrfathers

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I will need further examples and proof of this. I have never heard of this in modern BD.



You are woke, my brother. True hierloom of Sultanate of Bengal, Dilli Sultanat, and Mughals. I salute you.



In many ways, modern Pakistanis made the most compromises and suffered most. We imported Muslims from India and took on another province in Bengal.

These people have very little racial, civilizational, or cultural similarities with us. Pakistan was forced to placate Muslims who still idolized Hindus of India for a long time.

It was only until 1971 that Pakistan started searching inward for its soul and recovered its true racial, national identity.

As for the Indian Muslims who immigrated to Pakistan, they adopted the culture and became sons of the soul, their ties to India were eroded over time.

We even compromised on our official language which was Dari (Eastern Persian) and adopted Urdu. I love Urdu as a language, but every advantage Urdu has, Dari has it in even more abundance. This is why Allama Iqbal switched to this tongue later on in his poetry.

Furthermore, adoption of Dari is key to merging Pakistan with Afghanistan and re-unifying the Indus basin. The king of Afghanistan was given money/support by the British to stay out of the partition and they even sold out areas like former FATA to the British for cash stipends.

Otherwise, Pakistan and Afghanistan are contiguous, we still don't have a real border, it cuts towns and areas in halves, cuts families. Pukhtoons and Wakhis are divided between two nations.

Within the next 50-100 years, there will be some sort of union between Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is looking more and more likely. You cannot seperate two peoples who border one other and also share so much in common with each another too. Just a matter of time.

 

[bluesky]

So why can't indian Muslims protect themselves now?.........If they can make a homeland for Pakistanis then why not one for themselves?

Native Pakistanis are fond of insulting Bengali and Indian Muslims as if Punjabi, Pathans, Baluchis and Sindhis brought Pakistan. It was the Muslims of Bengal and India, especially of Bihar, who struggled to bring Pakistan.

Read the outcome of 1946 Provincial election. The present day Pakistanis voted in favor of Congress. Do not play Father of Pakistan, please!

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Bz many came to Pakistan like my Forrfathers

Will something drastic has obviously happened in the last 73 years because modern day indian Muslims are not capable of anything. They can't even protect themselves.

Native Pakistanis are fond of insulting Bengali and Indian Muslims as if Punjabi, Pathans, Baluchis and Sindhis brought Pakistan. It was the Muslims of Bengal and India, especially of Bihar, who struggled to bring Pakistan. Read the outcome of 1946 Provincial election. The present day Pakistanis voted in favor of Congress. Do not play Father of Pakistan, please!

Modern, present day Pakistanis have thwarted an enemy that is more than 7× bigger than itself and has the full backing of the West and Russia, for over 73 years. Have indian Muslims and the bengalis done this? No, you both in fact support that 7× bigger hyper-ugly monster against Pakistan.

 

[Basel]

So why can't indian Muslims protect themselves now?.........If they can make a homeland for Pakistanis then why not one for themselves?

Leadership and also Hindus are much dangerous then British as later were occupiers not locals and due to WW-2 they had to leave their colonies due to US pressure.

 

[SIPRA]

@PAKISTANFOREVER
@bluesky

I request you both to refrain from this bitter discussion. In any case, it is not related to the topic of the thread.

 

[SIPRA]

O PaaJee,

Kun sajay pason ya khabay pason... farq koi nai ana!

In the end both Pakistan and BD have to align their geo-economic and geo-political interests to survive the ResidentEvil!

For local consumption till now it has been alright or profitable for BDz to create a narrative for what it is...but becoming prisoner of it will only make more of vassal to the FacistEmpire nextdoor.

There is time for everything.

As I have said a few times already... a strong, stable and FREE BD is in Pakistan's National Interests... it is food for thought for the good BD posters here...to factor in their reasoning that because the FacistEmpire has deployed most of its resources/assets against Pakistan.... this gives BD breathing room to grow economically without spending on defence.....

Anyhow, the BeautyRegime shall be making existential choices sooner than later... as the good Indians build their ConcentrationCamps ... to deport the Muslims of MaqboozaHindustan to BD...

And at that time it shall be Pakistan standing with BD...as always.... so let us at least on PDF take the First Step towards Alignment!

BD must now come out of the closet and stop towing the IndianLine on IoJK or be a part of IndianNarrative Against Pakistan...

Hopefuly, the PM of Pakistan attends BD summit in early summer... which might not happen because of the KhooniVirus!

I repeat: A strong, prosperous and FREE BD is in Pakistan's Strategic Interests!

Time for choices...here almost!

Mangus

P.S. Can we just stop this nonsense on silly racism fadz...

Fully agree. Unfortunately, some Pakistani posters, in good faith, perhaps, unknowingly, start following a racial or ethnic narrative and totally forget that this narrative is not good for the stability of Pakistan.

 

[bluesky]

Will something drastic has obviously happened in the last 73 years because modern day indian Muslims are not capable of anything. They can't even protect themselves.





Modern, present day Pakistanis have thwarted an enemy that is more than 7× bigger than itself and has the full backing of the West and Russia, for over 73 years. Have indian Muslims and the bengalis done this? No, you both in fact support that 7× bigger hyper-ugly monster against Pakistan.

Thwarted or what you are responsible for disuniting the Muslims by your macho culture. Do you think India wants to capture your country with such a large Muslim population? All the wars since 1948 have been initiated by Pakistan. Pakistan has been the aggressor.

Now, you are claiming you thwarted Indian invasion. Rather, it is Pakistan that invaded and failed each time. Better, Pakistan builds its economy and let its [people live a better life.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thwarted or what you are responsible for disuniting the Muslims by your macho culture. Do you think India wants to capture your country with such a large Muslim population? All the wars since 1948 have been initiated by Pakistan. Pakistan has been the aggressor.

Now, you are claiming you thwarted Indian invasion. Rather, it is Pakistan that invaded and failed each time. Better, Pakistan builds its economy and let its [people live a better life.

Which war did we start and where is the evidence for your claims?

Failed to capture?.................We have domain over 35% of Kashmir and annexed over 35% of former indian territory to create Pakistan on August the 14th 1947................think you are getting your info from india today and hindustan times.........

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Within the next 50-100 years, there will be some sort of union between Afghanistan and Pakistan. That is looking more and more likely. You cannot seperate two peoples who border one other and also share so much in common with each another too. Just a matter of time.

In religious circles, the union has been pretty much accomplished since the '90s. I remember when I frequented lectures in masajid of Lahore and Faisalabad, most of the students were Afghans or from FATA, they learned from many of the best scholars of the world like Dr. Israr Ahmad.

Even today Mufti Taqi Usmani is as much respected in Afghanistan as he is in Pakistan. Taliban regularly meet with him to obtain fatawa on various matters.

Now that US and foreigners have left, we have a change to make history right. It is a very exciting time for both nations. We can become a superpower of the world due to location and trade routes, instead of simply a middle power.

Native Pakistanis are fond of insulting Bengali and Indian Muslims as if Punjabi, Pathans, Baluchis and Sindhis brought Pakistan. It was the Muslims of Bengal and India, especially of Bihar, who struggled to bring Pakistan. Read the outcome of 1946 Provincial election. The present day Pakistanis voted in favor of Congress. Do not play Father of Pakistan, please!

You are wrong, Pakistanis do not hate Bengalis in the slightest. We hardly think about 1971, what is done is done.

We are two different racial, cultural, civilizational entities. It does not mean we cannot cooperate against a common enemy such as India.

Thwarted or what you are responsible for disuniting the Muslims by your macho culture. Do you think India wants to capture your country with such a large Muslim population? All the wars since 1948 have been initiated by Pakistan. Pakistan has been the aggressor.

Now, you are claiming you thwarted Indian invasion. Rather, it is Pakistan that invaded and failed each time. Better, Pakistan builds its economy and let its [people live a better life.

You are trying to ignite hatred where there is none. Kindly retire for the day.

Just because you are being bombarded with Indian propaganda, it does not mean you have to swallow it fullscale.

1971 is done. Our land is ours. Yours is yours. Let us worry about our own states.

Which war did we start and where is the evidence for your claims?

Failed to capture?.................We have domain over 35% of Kashmir and annexed over 35% of former indian territory to create Pakistan on August the 14th 1947................think you are getting your info from india today and hindustan times.........

He is just trying to get a response from you brother and assuming he can easily rile you up.

We Pakistanis should keep our composure and not get egged on by Indians or those who believe their lies as if it is the word of God.

Fully agree. Unfortunately, some Pakistani posters, in good faith, perhaps, unknowingly, start following a racial or ethnic narrative and totally forget that this narrative is not good for the stability of Pakistan.

I don't see any place in this thread where any Pakistani racially insulted Bengali brothers and sisters. It is pretty transparent who wants a confrontation.

We should stay away as it serves only India.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

In religious circles, the union has been pretty much accomplished since the '90s. I remember when I frequented lectures in masajid of Lahore and Faisalabad, most of the students were Afghans or from FATA, they learned from many of the best scholars of the world like Dr. Israr Ahmad.

Even today Mufti Taqi Usmani is as much respected in Afghanistan as he is in Pakistan. Taliban regularly meet with him to obtain fatawa on various matters.

Now that US and foreigners have left, we have a change to make history right. It is a very exciting time for both nations. We can become a superpower of the world due to location and trade routes, instead of simply a middle power.



You are wrong, Pakistanis do not hate Bengalis in the slightest. We hardly think about 1971, what is done is done.

We are two different racial, cultural, civilizational entities. It does not mean we cannot cooperate against a common enemy such as India.



You are trying to ignite hatred where there is none. Kindly retire for the day.

Just because you are being bombarded with Indian propaganda, it does not mean you have to swallow it fullscale.

1971 is done. Our land is ours. Yours is yours. Let us worry about our own states.



He is just trying to get a response from you brother and assuming he can easily rile you up.

We Pakistanis should keep our composure and not get egged on by Indians or those who believe their lies as if it is the word of God.



I don't see any place in this thread where any Pakistani racially insulted Bengali brothers and sisters. It is pretty transparent who wants a confrontation.

We should stay away as it serves only India.

The union with Afghanistan is inevitable. Despite the differences between the Afghan and Pakistani governments, intermarriage and intermixing between Afghans and Pakistanis is happening on a large scale. This is only going to increase.