Is the Indian state really secular?

[pothead]

A word of advice.

Be Hindu.

The rest will follow.

You are right now being everything but.

Cheers, Doc

I am a Hindu & I have noticed when I don't get angry, everyone walks all over me and then abuse my existence.

NO MORE.

Give a Inch, they take a mile.
We have decided we will grab a mile and then negotiate a meter - Seems to be working.

No one cares for the nice guy, that's the reality of the world.

I never thought I would see the day where they would be RW lit fest. It has been happening for 3 years now.
Who would have thought the urban naxals would be targeted and their duplicity exposed?

Let me say this, these Urban naxals are probably much more dangerous than Jihadis.
They destroy not only the current but also destroy our future by brainwashing students. They are savvy with connections into every organ of governance in India - BJP has taken them head on.
Not a small feat. It was hilarious seeing SC judges doing somersaults trying to save them. That's how powerful they are.

I remember all this when I measure my thoughts on WHY I am WHO I am.

 

[padamchen]

I am a Hindu & I have noticed when I don't get angry, everyone walks all over me and then abuse my existence.

NO MORE.

Give a Inch, they take a mile.
We have decided we will grab a mile and then negotiate a meter - Seems to be working.

No one cares for the nice guy, that's the reality of the world.

I never thought I would see the day where they would be RW lit fest. It has been happening for 3 years now.
Who would have thought the urban naxals would be targeted and their duplicity exposed?

Let me say this, these Urban naxals are probably much more dangerous than Jihadis.
They destroy not only the current but also destroy our future by brainwashing students. They are savvy with connections into every organ of governance in India - BJP has taken them head on.
Not a small feat. It was hilarious seeing SC judges doing somersaults trying to save them. That's how powerful they are.

I remember all this when I measure my thoughts on WHY I am WHO I am.

The Hindu way has always been to give way, surround, envelope, internalise.

The flowing river.

I repeat.

You are fighting a war reading someone else's war manual.

It's a fight you are genetically not equipped for.

Nor your DNA and thinking wired for.

These small "victories" hide from.you the bitter truth.

You are becoming the enemy you hate.

In the end, if you win, it's actually he who has won.

Because the last and only Hindu land on earth now thinks and behaves like him. While only saying Ram Ram ....

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

The Hindu way has always been to give way, surround, envelope, internalise.

The flowing river.

I repeat.

You are fighting a war reading someone else's war manual.

It's a fight you are genetically not equipped for.

Nor your DNA and thinking wired for.

These small "victories" hide from.you the bitter truth.

You are becoming the enemy you hate.

In the end, if you win, it's actually he who has won.

Because the last and only Hindu land on earth now thinks and behaves like him. While only saying Ram Ram ....

Cheers, Doc

What your prescribed path would be ensure we end up like Pakistani Hindus, Bangla Hindus, Kashmiri Hindus.

There are numerous religions in India, probably the only country in the world which has every religion and it's variation present.

Hindus don't have any issues with any of these religions except two & this has been the case for centuries now.
These two religions base is either to convert or kill. There is no middle ground.

So, I am not sure what kind of victory you except Hindus to win fighting this kind of dogma!?
Either we convert or die....or may be we fight back.

 

[padamchen]

What your prescribed path would be ensure we end up like Pakistani Hindus, Bangla Hindus, Kashmiri Hindus.

There are numerous religions in India, probably the only country in the world which has every religion and it's variation present.

Hindus don't have any issues with any of these religions except two & this has been the case for centuries now.
These two religions base is either to convert or kill. There is no middle ground.

So, I am not sure what kind of victory you except Hindus to win fighting this kind of dogma!?
Either we convert or die....or may be we fight back.

You make them Hindu culturally, if not back by faith.

But first you address those within.

Because those outside were once all within.

You are fighting an idea.

The people are yours.

I'm getting tired explaining the obvious man. Where in Germany are you.

I just returned from Munich and Hannover. You are thinking like a post war German pacifist ...

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

You make them Hindu culturally

LOL, did not work for 1000 years.

From won't sing 'Vande Mataram' to today 'no one should sing Vande Mataram' the cultural integration has failed spectacularly.

 

[padamchen]

LOL, did not work for 1000 years.

From won't sing 'Vande Mataram' to today 'no one should sing Vande Mataram' the cultural integration has failed spectacularly.

Then you've already lost.

It's only your numbers which will ensure that the end comes a lot later than it did for Zoroastrian Persia.

You are in a fight against an idea.

Yet you are making it a fight against the people.

Your faith cannot fight the hold other faiths have on their believers.

Your faith is not near strong enough. Regimented. Fanatical.

Most of you are cultural Hindus. Who will not even know your basic prayers without a pujari present to chant them.

Be honest.

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

Then you've already lost.

If we take u'r suggestion, we would become extinct, like you people are in your own lands.

It's because we are fighting back, there is still piece of land there for both of our communities.
Remember a loss for us means complete extinction for your people.

 

[padamchen]

Remember a loss for us means complete extinction for your people.

No it does not. We survived. We will not die now. And we are growing back on the ancestral soil.

And unlike most of you, and like the present day Zionists, we are fanatical about our faith.

But this topic is not about us.

It is about India. And India is 80% its Hindus.

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

No it does not. We survived. We will not die now. And we are growing back on the ancestral soil.

You survived because there was a buffer between you and your extinction.
Once that buffer is gone, it's like swatting a fly.

Regarding going back to ancestral soil, well, good luck, wake me up when the first batch goes back and survives a week.

 

[padamchen]

You survived because there was a buffer between you and your extinction.
Once that buffer is gone, it's like swatting a fly.

Regarding going back to ancestral soil, well, good luck, wake me up when the first batch goes back and survives a week.

These sort of post mortem debates really have no endpoint of meaning.

The facts on the ground are what I was pointing out.

A super rich super educated completely western community that can and does blend in effortlessly in.the west West as first citizens.

And the ancestral populace in the throes of an identity revival, already picking up momentum among the Kurds as the world sits on the brink of the birth of a new insepindepe nation from the current war being fought out bloody and raw.

What will be will be.

The Hindus were supposed to provide the buffer you speak of.

But those delusions fell as rapidly as the Hindus did.

That is the reality of our past 1300 years.

The point is that we never stopped fighting. There or here.

And unlike you guys, we are fanatical about our faith.

And that which we see as the enemy.

There will be no half measures like we see with you when.the time comes to reclaim our land and heritage.

There will be no political correctness. Or liberalism. Or democracy. Or supreme courts. Or multiple decades of dithering on what must and should be done.

Cheers, Doc

 

[pothead]

These sort of post mortem debates really have no endpoint of meaning.

The facts on the ground are what I was pointing out.

A super rich super educated completely western community that can and does blend in effortlessly in.the west West as first citizens.

And the ancestral populace in the throes of an identity revival, already picking up momentum among the Kurds as the world sits on the brink of the birth of a new insepindepe nation from the current war being fought out bloody and raw.

What will be will be.

The Hindus were supposed to provide the buffer you speak of.

But those delusions fell as rapidly as the Hindus did.

That is the reality of our past 1300 years.

The point is that we never stopped fighting. There or here.

And unlike you guys, we are fanatical about our faith.

And that which we see as the enemy.

There will be no half measures like we see with you when.the time comes to reclaim our land and heritage.

There will be no political correctness. Or liberalism. Or democracy. Or supreme courts. Or multiple decades of dithering on what must and should be done.

Cheers, Doc

I reiterate, once the first batch goes back and survives a week, then we can continue this discussion.

TO ADD, I am in the habit of belittling people who helped me in my dire need, just because I "feel" I don't need their help "now".
Being nice is a habit, not a matter of choice based on our requirements & the worst are those who have stopped differentiating friend from foe.

 

[padamchen]

I reiterate, once the first batch goes back and survives a week, then we can continue this discussion.

TO ADD, I am in the habit of belittling people who helped me in my dire need, just because I "feel" I don't need their help "now".
Being nice is a habit, not a matter of choice based on our requirements & the worst are those who have stopped differentiating friend from foe.

You are taking this too personally.

Do you blame the Parsis for wanting to go back to their ancestral land?

Why?

It's natural.

Your came from us. The same land. And we are older than you.

It is destined.

You helped protect the flame you also worship. You did no favors.

Cheers, Doc

 

[Jackdaws]

Of course India is secular. And all this Sanghi cribbing and playing victim card is ridiculous. Secularim is the glue that binds India together and the State must treat its citizens equally. However, a State must also go out of its way to makes ALL its minorities feel secure and part of the Union.

 

[Soumitra]

Secularim is the glue that binds India together and the State must treat its citizens equally.

However, a State must also go out of its way to makes ALL its minorities feel secure and part of the Union.

Your two statements contradict each other. Care to explain why?

If all religions are equal why should some be given extra benefits?

Why should Waqf properties be under Muslim control and temples under govt. control?

Why should catholic schools not be under RTI but Arya Samaj schools be under RTI?

Why dont minorities have the same obligations towards the nation? Why should they be allowed to insult the National Song because it "hurts their religious feelings"

 

[Jackdaws]

Your two statements contradict each other. Care to explain why?

If all religions are equal why should some be given extra benefits?

Why should Waqf properties be under Muslim control and temples under govt. control?

Why should catholic schools not be under RTI but Arya Samaj schools be under RTI?

Why dont minorities have the same obligations towards the nation? Why should they be allowed to insult the National Song because it "hurts their religious feelings"

Religions are not given extra benefits.
I'd rather someone refuse to sing a song as a sign of dissent rather than pick up a gun. You can't force people to sing stuff. We don't live in North Korea.

Agree on all places of worship coming under RTI and all places of worship having same laws. Also agree on UCC. No debate there.