Is Pakistan the only odd one remaining in the region when it comes to system of governance?

[chinasun]

I would say the CCP in China is far right wing also.. Meaning Pakistan is the only entity that is centrist..

But if I have to count all of the surrounding areas. North Korea is extreme far right wing, Uzbekistan is centrist, the same goes to the majority of the central Asia, Bangladesh is centrist, South Korea is centrist, Japan is centrist, Sri Lanka is far right, Malaysia is centrist, Indonesia is centrist, Australia is centrist, New Zealand is centrist, Russia is far right wing, Vietnam is centrist, Philippines is centrist, Azerbaijan is centrist, India is extremist terrorist far right wing state and finally Thailiand is centrist.

China's Xi Jinping is a leftist government.
Let see his general domestic works.

1.Surpress the commercial tycoons and develop SOEs.

2. Targeted poverty policy to lift the poor out of poverty.

3.Increase government function.

4.Increase social welfare only for the poor.

You see his effort is basically about social equity,typical left wing.After Xi Jinping came to power, the gap between the rich and the poor in China is narrowing.

 

[The Accountant]

In nutshell:

On east: we got a Hindu extremist/terrorists regime controlling India firmly.

South west: A mullah regime of Iran, extreme right wing. Been there for decades.

North west: A western sponsored liberal/corrupt government just got toppled by Taliban, a extreme right wing outfit.

North: China, a country run by it own indigenous system of governance.


Pakistan, on the other hand is still run by liberal western inspired system, people both in civil and military taking inspiration from western ideas and ideologies. Still running western inspired liberal western democracy, where country masses by en large are inclined towards right wing.

Pakistani system it seems is not inline with realities of today's world, in particular with the region it is situated. Right wing politics is surrounding Pakistan, yet it is still beating the dead horse of liberal left wing, western inspired system of governance. Pakistan indeed is looking odd one in the region.

Yes unfortunate but true. We have failed to develop our own system as per our own priorities and our own needs.

However, establishment has realized this mistake and is working with IK to tilt the ship in right direction however it will decades to change the direction ...

China started economic reforms in 1979 and they were not even top 10 exporter till 2000.

India started reforms in 1992 and till 2006 or 07 per capita gdp of india was lower than pakistan ...

U have raiSed a very good point ... The effect of this imported confused system is our divided and confused society ...

 

[Neurath]

Thanks to Trump, the world 'liberal' has become a real bad word. That brand of 'liberalism' is tainted by the domestic American political tussles! But it simply means tolerance of 'the other', freedom of expression, freedom of choice in various matters such as clothes, within generally acceptable norms of a society. In Pakistan burqa clad women dominate in most of K-P while in towns and villages of Sindh and Punjab, a 'dupatta' is enough for modesty, and at the same time you'd find many women in Lahore, Islamabad, and Karachi and other cities in trousers and sometimes no dupatta. And that's all is fine! Live and let live. I have an Iranian friend here in America and she can't believe women in Pakistan are not forced to cover their heads--she envies that!

Pakistan is a Sufi-oriented Islamic society. The Islam of the Subcontinent is a balanced one and indeed a lot of conversions from other religions to Islam in the Subcontinent happened due to the Sufis and their version of Islam. That's where Pakistan needs to remain. No extremism of either side. Pakistan can't be a Turkey. But Pakistan shouldn't be an Iran or Saudi Arabia either!!

Exactly, people should stop viewing liberalism and conservatism through a Western, mainly American, political lens.

 

[Meengla]

Exactly, people should stop viewing liberalism and conservatism through a Western, mainly American, political lens.

Yes. The divide is a Tool for Fools.
Stick with Sufi Islam, which is the bedrock of Islam in Pakistan. It has served hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Subcontinent. 'Myana Ravi' (roughly, the Middle Way) has been taught in the Subcontinent Islam. Stick with that. Pakistan should never become an Iran or a Saudi Arabia!

 

[VCheng]

Yes. The divide is a Tool for Fools.
Stick with Sufi Islam, which is the bedrock of Islam in Pakistan. It has served hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Subcontinent. 'Myana Ravi' (roughly, the Middle Way) has been taught in the Subcontinent Islam. Stick with that. Pakistan should never become an Iran or a Saudi Arabia!

The only problem is that Pakistan as a moderate nation cannot raise the specter of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of jihadis, and thus removes the rationale for USA to support its military in ensuring that it never happens. Quite the paradox, eh?

 

[Taimoor Khan]

When you talk about liberalism, tell me in the case of Pakistan, what is the 'liberal' element that you want to remove? Our neighbours oppress religious minorities, force one's way of life on the other, take a radical approach to everything, is that what you want in Pakistan as well? Or are you suggesting that we should stoop to as low a level as them, where we can't reason with/educate our population and impose force? I'm having a hard time grasping your point here.

You are assuming a lot of non sense to be honest.

In Pakistani perspective, Liberals are basically mental slaves of western civilization, if I have to really narrow it down. From political side, the like of PPP, PML-N- MQM, ANP, sub nationalist lot, most of them market themselves as liberal entities. Basically well entrenched elites, who have done nothing but harm Pakistan throughout their hold of power in history.

A rightwinger on the other is someone who believes in Pakistan own culture, identity, its ways, its social structure, have no mental slavery issue, and above all, returning Pakistan to what it was suppose to be, an Islamic republic, based on first state in Madina. IK can be classed as nearest thing in political scene of Pakistan who can classed as right winger.


Right wing ideologies will be different among nations. Indian right winger got nothing in common with Persian right winger, both are our neighbours. And now when Pakistan is completely surrounded by right wing ideologies in power, it will be naive to think that we can live in isolation and not get effected by what is happening in our neighbour. Status quo liberal powers in Pakistan have to up their game, shed their mental slavery for the start, or become redundant, because it is just a matter of time.

 

[VCheng]

above all, returning Pakistan to what it was suppose to be, an Islamic republic, based on first state in Madina.

Let such people follow due process in making Pakistan as you wish to see it.

 

[Meengla]

The only problem is that Pakistan as a moderate nation cannot raise the specter of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of jihadis, and thus removes the rationale for USA to support its military in ensuring that it never happens. Quite the paradox, eh?

I can't say that's truth or not. What you are implying is a permanent 'Security State' in Pakistan which would never want peace with India, right? I tend to disagree. I think a person of no-less stature than a serving Army Chief Musharraf was willing to accept the LoC = IB solution for Kashmir, with some provisions, while working with Vajpayee and then Manmohan Singh. He must have had support from his colleagues.
Conspiracy theories is not my favorite topic.

 

[VCheng]

What you are implying is a permanent 'Security State' in Pakistan which would never want peace with India, right?

Well, all the evidence in the country's history points to that inescapable conclusion. We will see much lip service to the contrary, but that is about it. Further, there are no reasons to change that thinking at all in evidence.

 

[HAIDER]

In nutshell:

On east: we got a Hindu extremist/terrorists regime controlling India firmly.

South west: A mullah regime of Iran, extreme right wing. Been there for decades.

North west: A western sponsored liberal/corrupt government just got toppled by Taliban, a extreme right wing outfit.

North: China, a country run by it own indigenous system of governance.


Pakistan, on the other hand is still run by liberal western inspired system, people both in civil and military taking inspiration from western ideas and ideologies. Still running western inspired liberal western democracy, where country masses by en large are inclined towards right wing.

Pakistani system it seems is not inline with realities of today's world, in particular with the region it is situated. Right wing politics is surrounding Pakistan, yet it is still beating the dead horse of liberal left wing, western inspired system of governance. Pakistan indeed is looking odd one in the region.

Democracy suit Pakistan because of 4 major nationalist nations ka achar. Pakhtun ka haquq, jaag Punjabi Jaag, marso marso Sindh na dasoo... Baluchistan ka zakhair ki chori

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Yes unfortunate but true. We have failed to develop our own system as per our own priorities and our own needs.

However, establishment has realized this mistake and is working with IK to tilt the ship in right direction however it will decades to change the direction ...

China started economic reforms in 1979 and they were not even top 10 exporter till 2000.

India started reforms in 1992 and till 2006 or 07 per capita gdp of india was lower than pakistan ...

U have raiSed a very good point ... The effect of this imported confused system is our divided and confused society ...

Indeed.

Pakistan cannot remain oblivious to the realities all around our immediate neighbour. We talk about regional connectivity, yet the region is all dominated by right wingers. Pakistan must adopt to this new regional order , status quo dominated by western inspired, mental slaves, liberal elite is no longer an option.

Democracy suit Pakistan because of 4 major nationalist nations ka achar. Pakhtun ka haquq, jaag Punjabi Jaag, marso marso Sindh na dasoo... Baluchistan ka zakhair ki chori

If you dig deeper, its the mess of liberal left wing entrenched political parties of Pakistan. Garbage in garbage out.

 

[Meengla]

Well, all the evidence in the country's history points to that inescapable conclusion. We will see much lip service to the contrary, but that is about it. Further, there are no reasons to change that thinking at all in evidence.

I tend to not live in 'history'. I tend to think human beings are basically alike across cultures, ethnicities, countries, and continents. Humans want peace, prosperity, and security. That's a universal concept. And to mention Fareed Zakaria again: He is saying that the Islamic World has changed a lot since 2001 and that makes it much harder for the Taliban to be like they were in the 90s. While his comments were specifically about the Taliban's options, the broader context is that the Muslim world has indeed changed in the last 20 years. The Muslim world is also made up of human beings. They want peace and progress and less 'ideology'. And I strongly believe the Pakistani state also has changed fundamentally in the same manner.

Besides, every thinking leader, especially Biden, knows the catastrophic consequences of Climate Change unless more resources are diverted to that, instead of to wars. Think of it like: We human beings will live to fight each other another day after, and if, we survive the Climate Change.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Let such people follow due process in making Pakistan as you wish to see it.

LOL, my wish? Due process? Pakistan was claimed in the name of Islam. Everything is listed in objective resolution of Pakistan, the building block of Pakistani state.

The word you are looking for is "auto correct", not due process.

 

[SaadH]

Yes. The divide is a Tool for Fools.
Stick with Sufi Islam, which is the bedrock of Islam in Pakistan. It has served hundreds of millions of Muslims in the Subcontinent. 'Myana Ravi' (roughly, the Middle Way) has been taught in the Subcontinent Islam. Stick with that. Pakistan should never become an Iran or a Saudi Arabia!

Sufi Islam can be extreme when it suits them, i.e. they practice takfir and label everyone who don't agree with their narrow belief system as blasphemous especially anyone challenging their practice of Saint/grave worship and elevation of the Prophet to the level of Allah, naoozubilah.

And we have real life manifestation of this, Mumtaz Qadri, Khadim Hussain Rizvi, etc.

 

[VCheng]

And I strongly believe the Pakistani state also has changed fundamentally in the same manner.

In the context of this thread, it would be great if others could see any evidence to support what you strongly believe in, so that other countries could modify their policies towards Pakistan accordingly.

LOL, my wish? Due process? Pakistan was claimed in the name of Islam. Everything is listed in objective resolution of Pakistan, the building block of Pakistani state.

The word you are looking for is "auto correct", not due process.

Autocorrect. Of course, but how? Mob rule? Street power? Elections? Dictator-ul-Momineen? After all, there have been many opportunities to implement what the Objective Resolution demands, but Pakistan has been careful to avoid actually doing something effective for many reasons, all of which remain operable.